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SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2023, 02:38:25 AM »

Did you happen to find out anything on the "one-way bearings" mentioned in the patent disclosure?

One-way Bearing  (from the patent disclosure)

At 7 line 32 thru 44 "one way" bearings are briefly discussed:
Note that during the rotation of the control shaft there is interaction with the output shaft which has the armature with the permanent magnets attached and both the control shaft and output shaft may try and turn the other in a different direction than desired. That is, for example, as the control shaft rotates in a given direction the output shaft may try and rotate it in the opposite direction (i.e. backwards). In one embodiment, the control shaft cannot be forced backwards by the output shaft if one-way bearings hold the control shaft. Likewise, in one embodiment, one-way bearings may be used to hold the output shaft so that it can only rotate in one direction. In one embodiment, the control shaft and the output shaft are each held by one-way bearings.

Further - At 7 line 45 thru 60:

In the specification and figures the control shaft as noted has attached to it the radial field control, this control shaft may be rotated, for example, by a motor or other rotating mechanism. What is to be appreciated is that the control shaft having the radial field control is able to control the armature rotating within a magnetic circuit. The magnetic circuit comprises the radial field control the armature having permanent magnets and the stator. The output shaft which is connected to the armature can rotate (assuming it is not overloaded or locked) and this rotary motion can be used. Thus, the input control shaft can control the output shaft.
While the description has shown two permanent magnets as part of the armature the invention is not so limited and any arrangement of magnets on the armature that yields a magnetic flux passing through the radial field control and
stator can be used.

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #136 on: March 08, 2023, 03:27:47 AM »
Cigaret Lighter indicates 12V
look at the picture.I'll find more about it
but  pictures are self explanatory


So now our list of  motor models is much shorter

I spend   1 day to find everything you didn't find yet
- measuring   apparatus   model  and manufacturer
- speed control  model    and manufacturer
- motor  used  model      and manufacturer
- list of motors and specification  model  and manufacturer
- power supply model  and manufacturer
Please do me a favor guys:
just read it from here will you ?
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  « Reply #129 on: March 07, 2023, 09:09:11 PM »

opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 03:22:53 PM by stivep »

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #137 on: March 08, 2023, 01:22:11 PM »
For Non English audience I repeat text is on the picture :
 Motor model is  established now based on  used by inventor  Power supply/ we know speed and torque.
But interesting is that  the same  motor driving inventor device shown in two  different  instances in the same video shows:


motor IN at its 51 RPM speed shows 0.7 ft-lb
motor IN at its 33 RPM speed shows 0.1 ft-lb




while  inventor is trying to prove  gain of the device :)
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The inventor claim of more  energy OUT than IN
and  surprising evidence on measuring  equipment
was analyzed by me:
So look at picture and in video  and it is :
up to you  to   conclude :)
https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=133

opinion expressed is my own
Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #138 on: March 08, 2023, 01:50:08 PM »
Please look at  below showing two different
time frame  pictures in the same video and look at:
connector connection to the measuring device
But this is not all:
Please also look at time on the video showing measurement IN
and compare it with  IN - picture from up there  in the previous post from the same video.   
Look at measurement numbers too.

 :)

 opinion expressed is my own
Wesley

r2fpl

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #139 on: March 08, 2023, 04:09:51 PM »
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #140 on: March 08, 2023, 04:38:32 PM »
Wesley, please stop confusing the members with
unrelated screenshots..
These Input settings were taken at different RPM settings and surely the input power and torques are then different...as long as the output power is integrated over several revolutions is always higher, the claims from the inventor are valid ..!
You always have to integrate the forces and torque to see the Average display values...

So what is your point...??
So please stop these confusing posting...
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #141 on: March 08, 2023, 04:45:41 PM »
Wesley, please stop confusing the members with
unrelated screenshots..
These Input settings were taken at different RPM settings and surely the input power and torques are then different...
Regards, Stefan.

No problem.
I did the job nobody  else did equipment specs, model numbers  all data is in front of you.
IS THAT NON RELATED? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
COMPERE THE NUMBERS  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was not making any judgement.
AT ALL!!!!!!!
I posted that what is on the video!!!
It is not RPM that matters.
It is torque at given speed that differs vs HP.

Re:picture here
« Reply #138
at the picture here on the right
at RPM 35 torque is 0.2188
HP is 0.0014

at the  the same picture on the left
at RPM 50 torque is 3.412 look here !!!!
HP is 0.0032


Re: picture here
Reply #137
at the picture on the upper right
at RPM 36 torque is 0.1289
HP is 0.0008

at the  the same picture at the bottom
at RPM51 torque is 0.7311 look here and compare it with another blue  up  there  !!!!
HP is 0.0069


please compare the colors of the numbers green to green, orange to orange !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and blue to blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

please look also at the connectors connection and cyan color line pointer   on the left hand side of the picture
look very carefully  on the very top of that connector little to the top right - is that something connected to it? I gave you device link and spec too just read it before you tell me to shut up.

Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #138 on: Today at 01:50:08 PM »
compare it  with the same device on the right side of that picture
do you see  something or you not? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?


who is confusing whom?

PLEASE ANSWER

Wesley
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 06:52:39 PM by stivep »

panyuming

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #142 on: March 08, 2023, 05:46:12 PM »
Hi!
After I learned Corbin Motor, I developed a possible structure.
See schematic

The position of Figure 1-1, carmine magenta represents the coil that starts to send power.
The coil current generates magnetic field lines, which strive to be the shortest,
Just pull the rotor and start rotating in the direction of the alignment of the lugs.


Figure 1-2 is located, yellow represents the de-energized coil.
At this position, the current in the coil has = 0, and there are no magnetic field lines.
The magnetic force when the teeth are aligned has disappeared
The rotor continues to rotate by inertia without resistance.


Position sensor according to the circuit,
And over and over again, energizing and powering the coil.
The rotor is constantly rotating.

It seems that Corbin's lever amplification moment is not used here.
Can you still OU?


Please note: The coil here, after the power is applied,
Power off at one angle before the teeth are aligned.
The coil releases magnetic energy with a back EMF.
The current continues until the teeth are aligned, and the current = 0.

This allows the coil to consume very little energy.
The rotational moment of the rotor does not decrease.

Is this OU?

Please advise.


Figure 2 is the side view The display structure is very simple.

Figure 3 is a schematic diagram of the rotor and stator.

Thank you!

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #143 on: March 08, 2023, 06:47:23 PM »
...
These Input settings were taken at different RPM settings and surely the input power and torques are then different...as long as the output power is integrated over several revolutions is always higher, the claims from the inventor are valid ..!
You always have to integrate the forces and torque to see the Average display values.
...
Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

You say "These Input settings were taken at different RPM settings".
I'm not sure. If you're referring to the side by side display readings, those are instantaneous data on the input shaft from the torque sensor at 2:19 and 3:38 minutes. They are not necessarily different RPM settings. The speed and torque varies rapidly due to cogging as seen on the strip charts on other video. I find it quite interesting this particular data.

At 2:19                      At 3:38                       Average
RPM -50                   RPM -35.                    RPM -42.5
ft.lb. +0.3412           ft.lb. -0.2189             ft.lb. +0.0612
Deg -123206            Deg -127904
HP   -0.0032             HP   +0.0014             HP    -0.0009

Simple averages do not yield correct power. The calculated HP using +0.0612ft.lb. & -42.5RPM = -0.00049HP. So integration is needed.

Also I wonder if negative torque is actually transmitted to the motor.  If so, the PWM controller may not tolerate it. But the polar moment of inertia of the shaft, gears, and armature may dampen it sufficiently.

Also I wonder the effects of one-way bearings that SL has mentioned.

The more we pick apart (I mean analyze) the apparatus, the more likely we are to discover its true operation.

In reading over the literature from the Futek torque sensor reminds me of their sensitivity to alignment and calibration. I've never used two in line like this and saw no other such reference to do so. Is there anything peculiar about it? And I'd like to see static torque calibration. This was always done when using these sensors with torque arms and precision weights.

And then, as mentioned previously, proof of pudding, loop it.

Regards,
bi

 

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #144 on: March 08, 2023, 06:51:13 PM »
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #145 on: March 08, 2023, 06:57:53 PM »
Here the only thing that will move this forward is a test report from an independent
3rd party certified test lab ( which community has access to)
Hopefully next few days will provide more info !


This has always been the standard for claims in our world!
Respectfully
Chet K



stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #146 on: March 08, 2023, 07:06:39 PM »
Hi Stefan,
You say "These Input settings were taken at different RPM settings".
I'm not sure.
Thank you bi.
and look again I made some  color marking here :
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg574966/#msg574966

Your data can be more complete  if you add readings HERE TOO:
https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=48  at: 0.37

please look at my numbers on the pictures there
You'll see  all ...  :) and again compare it with  that what I pointed at in blue color
Don't look at average but at  RPM, torque and HP  together .. for that given reading and than compare.

I pointed  :
at RPM 50 torque is 3.412
HP is 0.0032

and
at RPM 51 torque is 0.7311
HP is 0.0069

You analyzed only that:
At 2:19                      At 3:38                       Average
RPM -50                   RPM -35.                    RPM -42.5
ft.lb. +0.3412           ft.lb. -0.2189             ft.lb. +0.0612
Deg -123206            Deg -127904
HP   -0.0032             HP   +0.0014             HP    -0.0009



Wesley :)

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #147 on: March 08, 2023, 07:13:48 PM »
Hi panyuming,
What you show is a switched reluctance or stepper motor. Quite common. Typically multiphase so they are self starting and smoother. And no reports of OU of which I am aware.
Nice sketch.
bi

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #148 on: March 08, 2023, 09:15:20 PM »

Much easier magnet motor to fabricate for evaluation, test and so forth: 

SWITCHED MAGNET MOTOR

MotionMagnetics homepage
https://www.youtube.com/@Motionmagnetics

Magnetic Switch Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWmoUL7I00

The Key to building a Magnetic Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyQABZjSWw



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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #149 on: March 08, 2023, 09:22:21 PM »
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Your data can be more complete  if you add readings HERE TOO:
https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=48  at: 0.37
...

This I find interesting. From the video linked above. Mike must turn up pressure on the brake caliper just before the green marker line. Before that, the input torque was back and forth across zero with an average close to zero. Pretty much no-load on the drive motor. Just enough to keep rotation at set RPM. Then when he adds load, both input and output increase about 0.5ft.lb. To me, the apparatus appears to add ~5.5 ft.lb., not multiply torque.
bi

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I'd like to see the output sensor reading with the caliper completely off the disc, true no-load.

At yellow line. 5.75 ÷ 0.15 = 38.3 gain
At green line.  6.65 ÷ 1.1 = 6.05 gain