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SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2023, 04:12:18 AM »
One possible analysis method (easy to set up with good results) uses Solidworks built-in EMWorks. From my experience this
a very good package, especially for initial magnetic problems, and it's quite popular.  ;)   Check around... 

A related video link is found below, however a Youtube search for Solidworks EMS will yield literally hundreds of examples and
tutorials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feqtm4rgY1U

This allows you to quickly varify the theory as well as design your system using software; before spending time and money on a
prototype build. Saves on a lot of hand waving, nonsense and conjecture as well!

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2023, 03:13:12 PM »
Hello,

I would like to clear out some errors when interpreting this device, by some comments here I have read from some members:

1-First, the "Director" (which I would have call it "Driver" for better understanding)...is NOT A PERMANENT MAGNET!!
This "Driver" is just a piece of laminated steel, a smaller rotor which "drives" the bigger rotor which DOES have TWO MAGNETIC POLES.
2- And...No!!, We can not "just use ANY PM Motor", and so we will have same configuration!!..NEGATIVE!!
This device needs TWO SHAFTS, One for Input (Driver), Second for Output (Permanent Magnet Armature)...So, the only direct connection between shafts is purely magnetic.
So, if We want to use "any PM Motor", would require MAJOR MECHANICAL STRUCTURAL RECONFIGURATION!!

The basic configuration of this device is to use very low torque at Input to drive the center NON PERMANENT MAGNET BASED Steel driver, called "director"...And so, the Permanent Magnet Armature Rotor would just "FOLLOW" this Driver or "director"...

Also, let me remind you all, that "PM cogging" reduces considerably at higher speeds (It is only critical and lot of drag at very low speeds)...and any Generator requires High Speed which starts at 3000 RPM's (for two poles 50 Hertz)...

Finally, by the Director or Driver being built with NO PERMANENT MAGNETS, PLUS having a smaller Arm length, it will require much less effort to rotate it, rather than, DIRECTLY driving the longer Permanent Magnet based Armature ENGAGING with Stator.

Now, imagine this device installed between a Motor and a Generator... already running at the operational speed (3600 RPM's)...So, once we load Generator, all that mechanical load will completely fall just on the Magnetic Armature Output shaft, and NOT on the Input Driver "director" shaft...

Now, by looking at the way the Stator is designed, where there are almost no gaps when we look at all 3 stators alignment...then the Armature at high speeds, becomes like a Magnetic Flywheel, where the length of its longer arms would be adding the required torque plus inertial mass forces to output shaft.

I sincerely hope all this facts plus clearing up, somehow, contributes to the better understanding of this device.

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2023, 04:35:31 PM »
Hello,
1-First, the "Director".is NOT A PERMANENT MAGNET!!
This "Driver" is just a piece of laminated steel, a smaller rotor which "drives" the bigger rotor which DOES have TWO MAGNETIC POLES.
2- And...No!!, We can not "just use ANY PM Motor", and so we will have same configuration!!..NEGATIVE!!
This device needs TWO SHAFTS, One for Input (Driver), Second for Output (Permanent Magnet Armature)...So, the only direct connection between shafts is purely magnetic.
So, if We want to use "any PM Motor", would require MAJOR MECHANICAL STRUCTURAL RECONFIGURATION!!
 "PM cogging" reduces considerably at higher speeds, and any Generator requires High Speed which starts at 3000 RPM's (for two poles 50 Hertz)...

Finally, by the Director or Driver being built with NO PERMANENT MAGNETS, PLUS having a smaller Arm length, it will require much less effort to rotate it, rather than, DIRECTLY driving the longer Permanent Magnet based Armature ENGAGING with Stator.//
Once we load Generator, all that mechanical load will completely fall just on the Magnetic Armature Output shaft, and NOT on the Input Driver "director" shaft...
The Armature at high speeds, becomes like a Magnetic Flywheel, where the length of its longer arms would be adding the required torque plus inertial mass forces to output shaft.
Ufopolitics
I was about to compose exactly the same comment.
Thank You very much for that.
Ufopolitics you are  Great thinker

Please note that  inventor employed  geared speed  reducer between his driving motor and the shaft holding "director"
as  very much low speed  expressed   at  mentioned by him  the "sweet spot" makes device  to perform the best. 
look at the picture.
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The video clearly shows more energy OUT than energy IN.
But we don't see and don't know and don't understand what that energy comes from.
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Energy can't be created nor destroyed it can only be converted to another form of energy!!!!!
The gain shown  by inventor may also come from lack of calibration  of measuring device :
link here: Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity! « Reply #117 on: Today at 01:47:22 AM »
or if there is any gain than that gain is not explained and  not protected by the patent.

conclusion:
Something  causes measuring devices to show gain  >1
so it is a need to explain it why?
We saw inventor device under the simulating a load device "breaker" on his video.
We didn't see his device  connected to any generator and we didnt see  IN/OUT P=UxI
where P is power  U is voltage  and I is current
We didn't see his device  acting in  changed speed.
The "sweet spot" of performance directly depends from it.
Notion about " accurate pulse adjustment" is related likely to  motors PWM if such are employed.
video for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gGLN2LxwkY&t=51s
I hope it helps
Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2023, 04:58:28 PM »
Some observation:
For me interesting is that  given - is not appreciated by you the audience
and that is evident when I or someone gives you great technology for free.
All pressure, criticism,negativism is on me to prove that it works, or you don't want to  even listen about it.
I'm producing  beautiful  pictures with explanation and still doesn't work as if  I was talking to the wall.
As my partner told me today: In the expensive restaurants the average Joe gets  food   he'll  appreciate.

Conclusion:

So I need not only give it to you for free but  provide proof that it works.
but
In this forum Kapanadze, Akula, Ruslan, were  discussed and tried and experimented  for years.
Because it was something  you were not given to and you didn't have.
And this discussion here is about patented  device you'll not have unless you pay for it despite if it is worth something or not.
Sorry to say but this is who you likely  are  excluding few of you.
Wesley

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2023, 05:48:10 PM »
I thought we were in discussion and analysis to learn something. No requirements on anyone.
bi

Me? I want to learn why Mike thinks there is free energy from that apparatus.

Calibration error mentioned. He could easily swap transducers and verify.


ramset

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2023, 06:03:24 PM »
Test lab 101(Day 1)
Calibration certification always necessary prior to
Use ( last Date of calibration and specs)
And noted in report !
Reputations require this !
EDIT
Apparently Mr Corbin has a very long history with electric powered motorcycles ( decades and then some)
Which of course would make excellent test beds !
Respectfully
Chet K













r2fpl

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2023, 06:38:15 PM »
Some high resolution photos.

SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2023, 07:53:25 PM »

Analysis of Patent US 10,897,166 B1 "METHOD AND APPARATUS TO
CONTROL AN ARMATURE ROTATING WITHIN A MAGNETIC CIRCUIT"

A brief examination appears to show when the so-called "control shaft" rotates
the "radial field control 106 (708, 900, etc.)" thus interupting the magnetic circuit.
   
However, It should be noted that (a.) the direction of rotation is not exactly
determined, and  (b.) rotation of the "radial field control 106" may not be
enough, by itself, to move 116 and 118 to a new pole position.

Although very preliminary, a specific "boost" may be required. This might be
a part, or component of, the "one-way bearing" refered to below.
The specific magnetic pull force, or action, has yet to be determined.

One-way Bearing  (from the patent disclosure)

At 7 line 32 thru 44 "one way" bearings are briefly discussed:
Note that during the rotation of the control shaft there is interaction with the output shaft which has the armature with the permanent magnets attached and both the control shaft and output shaft may try and turn the other in a different direction than desired. That is, for example, as the control shaft rotates in a given direction the output shaft may try and rotate it in the opposite direction (i.e. backwards). In one embodiment, the control shaft cannot be forced backwards by the output shaft if one-way bearings hold the control shaft. Likewise, in one embodiment, one-way bearings may be used to hold the output shaft so that it can only rotate in one direction. In one embodiment, the control shaft and the output shaft are each held by one-way bearings.

Further - At 7 line 45 thru 60:

In the specification and figures the control shaft as noted has attached to it the radial field control, this control shaft may be rotated, for example, by a motor or other rotating mechanism. What is to be appreciated is that the control shaft having the radial field control is able to control the armature rotating within a magnetic circuit. The magnetic circuit comprises the radial field control the armature having permanent magnets and the stator. The output shaft which is connected to the armature can rotate (assuming it is not overloaded or locked) and this rotary motion can be used. Thus, the input control shaft can control the output shaft.
While the description has shown two permanent magnets as part of the armature the invention is not so limited and any arrangement of magnets on the armature that yields a magnetic flux passing through the radial field control and
stator can be used.

Further - At 8 line 44 thru 47: (see patnt text)
Reference to "one-way bearings" also appear in claim 8., 9.  and is mentioned
at 5 line 31 and 33.

This is still an on-going analysis and no conclusions should be drawn from the
above observations.



stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2023, 08:48:45 PM »
Some high resolution photos.
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/dlattach/attach/190041/
absolutely great pictures. thank you,
Each section uses different cogging  angle steps by that  all individual sections coggs  independently but jerking  is less visible.
That means there is no   amplification  of cogging but  more frequent cogging takes place
Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2023, 09:09:11 PM »
Picture shows speed control box of DC motor.
Wesley
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 01:09:54 AM by stivep »

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2023, 10:35:13 PM »
We know now what motor it is
I found   speed control used in the assembly.
PWM DC Motor Speed Controller
https://www.ebay.com

EDITED:speed control below is also made in other voltages  range

Features
Wide voltage from DC 7V to 70V , large current 30 Maximum
A switch with Run , Stop , Brake functions on the board
Adjust speed by PWM , motor has no noise and shock
Using high pressure MOS , There are three high voltage low resistance capacitors with 100V
A high quality car fuse onboard
This controller can be used for brush motor and fan such as:  power wheels , trolling motor , spray motor ,LED strip...etc...
Note: This controller is just for DC Brush motor , it can't be used for DC brushless motor and AC motor
ParameterInput voltage: DC 7-70V (70v is the maximum voltage, please live a margin)
Drive current: Maximum 30A (Please use within 30A)
Controlling power:  recommended within 12V 300W  / 24V 400W / 48V 450W / 70V 500WDuty cycle range: 1%-100%PWM frequency: 12KHz
Size: 85 * 59 * 34 mm / 3.34 * 2.32 * 1.33 inches

Please look at right  side  bottom of the picture in the video
here: https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=182
Wesley
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 12:57:38 AM by stivep »

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2023, 12:21:46 AM »
This is the motor it was used in the assembly.



Edited:
-these motors are in 12V or 90V depends from the model.
The  spec is here :
https://cdn.automationdirect.com/static/specs/ironhorsemtg.pdf
Speed control is  also made for different voltages so  matching type can be found.

The second picture shows exactly that  particular motor  compared to original pictures from video.
 look at  the video and notice  two side screws  mounting motor.here:
https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=115

Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2023, 12:52:29 AM »
 Correction :
While examined  models matching inventor  motor  it was found that only
models marked in green color below correspond to the  that particular build.
 When you go  to link :
https://cdn.automationdirect.com/static/specs/ironhorsemtg.pdf
please click on  the left on the model number  and compare it  with pictures.
Note: In the list   from link  you will not see Green  color.
I used  green color to mark motor  models  of that build!!!



These motors are made   on 12VDc  and 90V DC as well.
It was also found that  speed control as is shown  in previous comments
is also made  at 12V and  90V as well  although both look alike.
Driving motor  information is very important  in  evaluation of the device
along with spec of the motor,



Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2023, 01:21:20 AM »
Please remember that here you have   measuring equipment and software used by inventor:
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg574918/#msg574918
That is important as:
inventor shows on exactly the same  set of  measuring devices that  he  achieved  more energy out than  en energy IN.
If physics this is impossible, non-doable, rejectable, and  nonsensus,
It could be, due to  lack of calibration or any other  error.
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2023, 01:47:07 AM »
Since he is using a bench power supply which likely has variable voltage with current limiting, I wondered he needed the PWM speed controller. I suspect that would facilitate an attempt to loop the system. He'd have to gear up the output RPM steeply but if the gains are anywhere near claims, gear losses wouldn't kill it.
bi