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Offline floodrod

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Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« on: February 15, 2023, 07:51:03 PM »
Here I will attempt to do a basic replication of the Spiral magnet tube motor as posted by Nix. I have no plans on rigging up steppers and advanced controls at this point, just starting with a basic tube build with linear rails to manually move the rotor to get the feel of it.  I can adapt and move forward if I like what I see.

I will be using a 2" Schedule 40 PVC with 8mm cube neos. With my magnet count, I can construct a 6" tube rotor.

The magnets need to be positioned in the same polarity, so they will be fighting each-other as I try to glue them, so I will need to 3d print some type of magnet holders that go on the tube. This is also challenging because printing thin structures that are not flat poses problems for me, so I will probably have to print them flat then soak them in hot water and massage the magnet guides into shape.

Now I am starting to evaluate the motor, including problems I see.

1. It is obvious some magnets are higher than others, and I can not discern a specific pattern from the pic.  And I do not know the reason, so if anyone has info or ideas why some may be higher- please post.

2. Something that cast's doubts to me is the size of the belt moving the steppers. They claim 24 watts in and 3,000 watts out.
A truck winch takes roughly 250 amps @ 12V to pull 4,000 lbs.  250x12= 3,000..  If this motor can really produce 3,000 watts as claimed, I find it hard to believe that the small stepper belts on this machine can withstand the force.

Regardless, I still plan to investigate.  I wanted to wait till I was further along to post this, but I would like to get other eyes on the raised magnets and some opinions before I glue my magnets, as once they are in-place they are there for good.

Note= I have another build experiment running at the same time, so there may be delays as I juggle.

Offline ramset

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 10:00:47 PM »
Sharing your topic ( for Input on question
Some are asking if you have original source… link or website of claimant?


Just for reference?
Thanks for sharing
Chet K
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 10:03:21 PM »
Would love to see the original material.


What i see from the pics seems to be a 3-dimensional magnetic sine wave of sorts
Each consecutive rod-magnet appears to be inserted deeper or shallower into the tube
Not sure how you would replicate that effect with cubes, if you went with cube-sized increments
it would make for an extremely large device and more magnets than you have


Magnetically speaking: it reminds me of the rollers on John Searl’s UFO








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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 10:10:49 PM »
Sure thang, happy that there is some interest..

Here is the official video-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiyoLKW5eS4&t=73s

Assembly-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJ8q-JSF4U

This guy posted the idea first I think-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqt7oIGnEww&t=85s

Here is the website --  https://magmovenergy.com/

Would love to see the original material.


What i see from the pics seems to be a 3-dimensional magnetic sine wave of sorts
Each consecutive rod-magnet appears to be inserted deeper or shallower into the tube
Not sure how you would replicate that effect with cubes, if you went with cube-sized increments
it would make for an extremely large device and more magnets than you have


Magnetically speaking: it reminds me of the rollers on John Searl’s UFO

Smokey!!!!

Yeah, I was thinking just print higher and lower holders when I design it with tinkercad, to raise / lower magnets. 

Offline truesearch

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 10:41:20 PM »
floodrod:

I'd agree with the observation by sm0ky2
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What i see from the pics seems to be a 3-dimensional magnetic sine wave of sorts

But their "sine-wave" doesn't look consistent at all . . .  But who am I to complain ~ they've built one and I haven't. . .

Offline floodrod

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 10:51:35 PM »
floodrod:

I'd agree with the observation by sm0ky2
But their "sine-wave" doesn't look consistent at all . . .  But who am I to complain ~ they've built one and I haven't. . .

I also agree with you both, that's the part that intrigued me.  Mimicking a sine-wave with the hardware / magnet alignment has some sort of mystical sacred geometrical appeal to me.

Also I really dig magnet to magnet action devices.  Moving a magnet rotor directly with a coil is common, but not so common are machines that use coils to move magnets, which move the rotor.

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2023, 12:06:25 AM »
Car alternators, stepper motors, controllers, power inverter, a start battery
and the drum (which they call a turbine).  Sure doesn't look all that difficult.

My question is the torque on those gears to spin the alternators many times
faster than the drum.  That drum would have to be producing somewhere
close to four horsepower rotationally.  Kind of hard to believe with those
little magnets.

Also notice the linear slider is belt driven, not screw or direct drive, so
it must pick up some subharmonic of the rotation or it could never keep up.

It would be nice to see a video of this with the cover off, spin up and be put
under load.

Offline nix85

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2023, 08:33:54 AM »
This guy posted the idea first I think-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqt7oIGnEww

I already twice gave you the video 7-8 years older than that one showing the principle
and you keep saying Elliott is the first.

It seems according to ewmegoolies' comments he did not copy the idea from anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP5mnHyc1A4

Offline floodrod

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 01:47:06 PM »
I already twice gave you the video 7-8 years older than that one showing the principle
and you keep saying Elliott is the first.

It seems according to ewmegoolies' comments he did not copy the idea from anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP5mnHyc1A4

Thanks NiX..  I must have missed it, as you posted many links on many motors.

This video is helpful.  Probably a good idea to stick my magnets on a tin can to get the feel and and best arrangement before I commit to epoxy.  Also to see the motion the prime mover magnet needs to take.


My question is the torque on those gears to spin the alternators many times
faster than the drum.  That drum would have to be producing somewhere
close to four horsepower rotationally.  Kind of hard to believe with those
little magnets.

Also notice the linear slider is belt driven, not screw or direct drive, so
it must pick up some subharmonic of the rotation or it could never keep up.


Yo Dawg...

Yeah, the presentation seems to have several red flags.  I enter with a cloud of doubt looming over my head.  The concept is intriguing enough to investigate, but too unbelievable to go all in..


Offline floodrod

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 02:48:27 PM »
Quick Can Test -  with the cube neos...  Spins the can fine. 

Evaluating my hand motions and when the timing misses,  I am thinking maybe the raised magnets are placed strategically to keep the timing in check..  The can picks up speed during the stroke - maybe the raised magnets are balancing it so it stays in-phase.

If building with cylinder magnets, best to get longer than needed so they can be slid in / out to adjust and tweak.  Since I am using cubes on the test build, I can just stack for now.

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2023, 05:12:46 PM »
Spiral magnet holders on the tube work nicely.  Magnets in place.. Soak in hot water, form into shape, glue, and set magnets.

It's looking more interesting..  .  If the prime mover magnet is mounted with 2 polarities influencing the tube, we will at least 2X the power,  Push and a Pull..  As it pushes 1 side of the spiral away, it also pulls the other side in..  And there shouldn't be much of a sticky spot on exit / entry because we should have full neutralization.

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2023, 06:14:44 PM »
Thanks NiX..  I must have missed it, as you posted many links on many motors.

This video is helpful.  Probably a good idea to stick my magnets on a tin can to get the feel and and best arrangement before I commit to epoxy.  Also to see the motion the prime mover magnet needs to take.

You're welcome. I see you already commenced the tin can test. I just rewatched ewmegoolies' video and altho video is poor quality i'm pretty sure magnets are all on same level. As i said before i don't like that irregularity on Magmov's rotor, i don't think it's needed and it may even be intentional to confuse the replicators.

I been also wondering how exactly is he keeping sync, it seems linear motors should be synced with the rotor. Maybe he's using hall sensors, in any case i highly doubt it would work if motion was not synced.

To be honest, i don't care about this motor, i always though it was cumbersome and primitive, all this just to go against lenz brute force, phh, what a waste. But then again, i commend good will to try, even tho i would not waste a second this principle.

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2023, 06:39:11 PM »

To be honest, i don't care about this motor, i always though it was cumbersome and primitive, all this just to go against lenz brute force, phh, what a waste. But then again, i commend good will to try, even tho i would not waste a second this principle.

There is something very sacred about a spiral.  Worth investigating IMO

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2023, 07:11:57 PM »
There is something very sacred about a spiral.  Worth investigating IMO

Oh, no no no, you misunderstood totally. Why do people always missunderstand. I guess it has to be like this, well, i know it has to. I only said i am not into this motor cause what is the point of any magnet motor if you use it to go against lenz brute force.

I know very very well there is something very sacred about a spiral and that it is worth investigating, in fact, that is exactly what i have been doing to infinite depths for years and years and years.

If you read my thread Just another Don Smith thread, you'd see that i shared all about spirals, especially phi spirals as phi is all permeating ratio of nature on all scales literally, compression and decompression of light.... all the examples in your image, Nautilus shell, DNA, tornado, galaxy, whirl, sunflower and infinitely more i already shared here long ago.

It's all summed up on my blog's front page.

https://vril12.wordpress.com/

And so much more scattered in the thread.

Like great Master John Keely said

"All motion is vortexual motion".

How many times i explained here the vortexial nature of gravitational fields....

And so on infinitely.

But that's fine, you didn't know.

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Re: Spiral Tube Magnet Motor Build Log
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2023, 07:26:27 PM »
Gotcha..  Yea, I also experiment with sacred geometry stuff but don't post much on it because it's too far out in left field for most..

Attached is my 4 foot Bashar space time antenna, 2 intersecting pyramids...  It picks up a low amplitude trumpet wave out of the air. It resonates at about 1.4 Mhz.  When the weather improves I want to put it under a pyramid outside just for shitz and giggles.

I don't post these crazy things much tho, mostly because I don't see any FE from them. Lol..  But inside I truly feel if there is free energy, it will have something to do with 7.83 Hz, 1.61 Phi, or other sacred ratios.  The numbers of creation..