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Author Topic: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..  (Read 1791 times)

Offline floodrod

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00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« on: February 14, 2023, 01:26:51 AM »
I want to hear opinions regarding 00's (Zero Zero's) Overunity Lenz Killer Coil..

Ever since I saw his posts from 2013, the coil arrangement and claims run through my head from time to time..  He claims all working overunity machines utilize this and is in some way. To paraphrase, the only way to achieve overunity is to eliminate lenz, and this coil is the way.  And in my opinion, he sounded like he had some knowledge.

Not only solid state, but motor / generators also.  He even claimed the video of 2 shaded pole motors running used this coil arrangement, and had magnets on the rotor.

At first glance, it appears to just be 2 bucking coils, which it essentially is.  But the first image, the revolutions are all the same way, but the way he connects them together causes it to buck.  He also influences both sides with opposing magnets which is another brain-twister..

What's the opinions out there on this?  Is it a waste of time to build a motor to test this?  How would the magnetic domains of the coil interact and look like?  Does 1 side of the coil cancel lenz so the other can induct without slowing?  Or is it all just another fantasy?


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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2023, 04:16:56 AM »
What's the opinions out there on this?  Is it a waste of time to build a motor to test this?  How would the magnetic domains of the coil interact and look like?  Does 1 side of the coil cancel lenz so the other can induct without slowing?  Or is it all just another fantasy?

The only way to know first hand is to try it.  I have a nice collection in my
epic fail pile, but for most every project, I learned something I've been
able to use for later projects.

Some say it's the journey not the destination that matters.  For me getting
to the destination means I'm finished here, really finished, kaput.

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2023, 12:42:23 PM »
The only way to know first hand is to try it.  I have a nice collection in my
epic fail pile, but for most every project, I learned something I've been
able to use for later projects.

Some say it's the journey not the destination that matters.  For me getting
to the destination means I'm finished here, really finished, kaput.

I hear ya..  I got a pretty big collection of failed builds myself. They ran and all, but couldn't loop them :)

I predict it will certainly eliminate Lenz at the expense of also eliminating an equal amount of power production.  Lol. 

Since it's a pretty easy one- I'll give it a whirl.

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2023, 11:15:27 PM »
Ok, base is almost done printing.  Then for a quick and dirty design, I will print this (image below) next.  It will fit Four 1" cube magnets.

The base will have a stationary vertical shaft that does not spin.  I will then wind the "Lenz Killer Coil" with my new amazon purchased coil winder!..  YAY..  And mount the bucking pickup on the inside.  Having 4 magnets allows me to upgrade to a 4 pole "lenz killer stator coil" if the results are decent.  The design also allows me to use the same 4 magnets to create the rotation by alternating DC from outside the ring.

I have spent many hours experimenting with a bucking pickup coil in the past, but always with a magnet rotor hitting it on 1 end. I witnessed bucking coils produce plenty of voltage but with no current.  This will be my first attempt to hit a bucking coil on both ends at the same time with alternating polarities.  If nothing else, it will be another entry in my notebook.

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 07:54:14 PM »
That's a nice and simple (low-cost) Coil Winder.
Can You tell the website or where to purchase these?
Thanks, Alex

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 08:05:00 PM »
That's a nice and simple (low-cost) Coil Winder.
Can You tell the website or where to purchase these?
Thanks, Alex

$45

https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Purpose-Electric-Winding-U-S-Solid/dp/B00LHQLWLC

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2023, 08:23:33 PM »
$45

https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Purpose-Electric-Winding-U-S-Solid/dp/B00LHQLWLC

Yep- that's it..  Solid iron..

Rotor is done printing- I am assembling now..  Will show when assembled

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2023, 09:02:27 PM »
Ok so Here it is so-far..  Hackey- but good enough to collect the data I need.  Don't want to spend too much time and dough on a simple test.

I printed 4 magnet holders, but am only using 2 because the polarities across from each other will not be opposite if I use 4.

Now to tack-weld core material to 2 sides of a 5/16" nut and print some bobbins for the coils.  This way I can screw the coil directly on to the 5/16th bolt to have it right in the center.

Even if it doesn't work (I do NOT expect it to) -at least now I will now have a rig to test other configurations where a rotating permanent magnetic field encircles pickup coils that are on the inside..

Edit-  I posted a Vid of it hand-spinning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmCXRxXO80

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 02:27:22 AM »
Ok so 1st test...

2 Coils, 500 turns each. 24 AWG wire.  Zinc bolts as cores.  Hooked up like schematic by Zero Zero..

Spins about the same when coils are open and closed.  Drag is present from the bolts, so difficult to tell how much extra drag the bucking coils add,  but not really noticeable.

It lights up an LED.  And Dead Short current hand spinning is almost 1/2 amp.

It will not loop and run itself hand spinning..  That's for sure.  LOL

Not too impressed..  But will probably poke around with it more..  Will try to Use extremal power to rotate and get efficiency estimates.. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhzlCpakho

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 03:35:33 PM »
Nope, I was wrong... had the wrong wire hooked up.

Opposite polarity magnets with bucking coils does not light the LED.
Same polarity magnets with bucking coils does light the LED.

Works exactly like a normal generator would.  Nothing special here.  I have another thought I may try though.

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2023, 03:30:54 PM »
There was a new post on OUR that related to this idea, where the poster claims he has an overunity generator by using this same idea to drive a motor.  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4422.msg104224;topicseen

I do not want to pollute his thread there- so I am updating this one here.

The claim is (as I understand it),  by interfacing the unused sides of 2 coils, the efficiency of a motor can be increased well over 2X, resulting in Overunity.  His videos show generator measurements where OU is being calculated.  But it does not show it looped...

I sloppily rigged up a few coils on a signal generator with the scope to see if I could verify the effect as I understand it. And confirmed- the 2 receiving coils do see greater flux when the 2 AC-driven coils interface the unused sides together.  So it stands to reason that if the receiving coils were magnets on a rotor, the rotor magnets would probably see more magnetism coming from the coils if the unused sides of the coils were allowed to induct each other..

I did NOT measure input current to see if there is an increase of input, but I do think the results show an increase in output. This was a real crude test, and the original poster has other factors in-play which I did not do here, including conical layered coils, etc.

The original Poster also said that the 2 cores should not make contact, which I do not understand yet, because my crude test showed better results when the cores did touch.

Anyway- today I will do input measurements and use some real current to repeat this test.  Does inducting the 2 unused sides of coils result in extra power without adding to input?  I will find out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-ORQcZySg8

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2023, 07:35:36 PM »
Here is Ourunity's video which is claimed Overunity. (a little over Cop2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkvz5jfZ6g&t=161s

4320 watts in
8645 Watts out

Gain of 4325 watts.

By using both sides of conical coils -  named "nature's coils"..

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2023, 08:44:21 PM »
Here is Ourunity's video which is claimed Overunity. (a little over Cop2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkvz5jfZ6g&t=161s

4320 watts in
8645 Watts out

Gain of 4325 watts.

By using both sides of conical coils -  named "nature's coils"..

That's a load of BS. In the video it clearly shows each of the 2 load motors running with no load. At no-load, there is no way those motors are drawing 4 kW each. Induction motor no-load current is highly reactive. The instruments likely read kVA, not kW.  An Induction motor at no-load can have power factor as low as 0.1, typically below 0.2. Look it up.
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Somebody doesn't believe it. So here I add some reference. But please, as I said before: Look it up.

From:  https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/339520/does-reactive-power-of-induction-motor-vary-with-load

and from:
https://www.electrical4u.com/low-power-factor-operation-of-induction-motor/

See attached.

« Last Edit: March 10, 2023, 05:48:09 AM by bistander »

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2023, 09:13:19 PM »
That's a load of BS. In the video it clearly shows each of the 2 load motors running with no load. At no-load, there is no way those motors are drawing 4 kW each. Induction motor no-load current is highly reactive. The instruments likely read kVA, not kW.  An Induction motor at no-load can have power factor as low as 0.1, typically below 0.2. Look it up.
bi

I agree..  I asked the OP to reply. 

Now that I think about it, I have a setup where my meters show me 3X more than input to a coil / motor..  But it absolutely wasn't OU..  As soon as I used a resistive load, I was Under Unity.

The idea is intriguing, but you are right- if this is his only proof - then it is probably erroneous. I invite the OP to show us tests with a resistive load.

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Re: 00's Overunity Coil- Lenz Killer..
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2023, 07:51:09 AM »
The fellow over on OUR.com who posted his special motor claiming OU has the misconception that an ordinary motor only use one pole of the magnet or field coil pole piece. That is nonsense. Both North and South poles are used.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/mothow.html

See first attachment. At first glance, it does appear there is a N magnet on one side of the armature and a S magnet on the opposite side, or N and S coils (for a wound field motor). But this is only an illusion by the artist made to unclutter the diagram.

In the next attachment is a similar diagram. It depicts 2 magnetic field poles, red and blue, one on each side of the armature, only now the true picture comes to light. Note the gray piece connecting the red and blue ends. The red, gray and blue sections are a single magnet, with 2 poles, both used. The gray section is the middle of the magnet, or often called the "back iron". It completes the magnetic path and essentially makes one magnet out of the red and blue pieces. The same thing (back iron) is used in the wound field motor where there is a coil in place of each magnet, essentially making a single field coil and core.

As motors typically use multiple poles and coils it becomes non-obvious where these magnets and coils lie, but each has a complete magnetic circuit or flux path. This magnetic path is broken at the air gap, so the rotor can spin, and at the air gap, you find the N and S poles on opposite sides, working together, as pairs, dipoles, as always done.

You will find amateurs/garage builders making generators and motors mounting coils near spinning disc mounted magnets who have no conception of magnetic circuits. But the magnets know and complete the paths through air. Magnetic fields are conservative. Both N and S poles are always used. Without back iron and reasonable paths, these machines are not too effective.

There is a ton of literature about magnetism and motor theory. Look it up.
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Source for second attachment:
https://www.learnatnoon.com/s/in/what-is-an-electric-motor-with-the-help-of-a-labelled/24676/?amp=1