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bistander

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #150 on: May 23, 2023, 11:12:05 PM »
I have understood my mistake.
Real magnetic field is moving  as my second picture.
I removed one extra winding that was turned on towards and interfered.
And EMF was raise in two time. :)
But I did not find a virtual rotating field, divorced from reality. :(

Another thing to realize is that you're dealing with vector quantities so the angle is cheating you severely I think. You attempt to make v along same line as B. I tired to describe this yesterday, perhaps a graphic will help.
bi

from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/genwir2.html


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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #151 on: May 24, 2023, 07:08:03 AM »


Hi Rakarskiy,

I know what you mean about not popularizing magnetic flux switching, I'll say no more.

Question - I don't understand when you say "force the main field in the core to form - phase current."

Could you explain, or elaborate a bit more, on what you mean by "phase current?"

TIA - Also, see this post for some reference information on Magnetic Circuit:
https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg578168/#msg578168

SL


Hi Rakarskiy,

In an attempt to answer my own question, I reviewed a few things (see links below).

The "phase current" appears to relate to the system loading (reactive vs resistive) and how it might affect the output of
a synchronous generator. Since the load will likely feed a fixed input (likely an inverter) it shouldn't be a problem in the
final design - the inverter I'm using for test has a fixed super capacitor input which feeds the rest of the inverter circuits.

Anyway, here's a couple of videos you might find interesting, especially this first one:

Complete understanding of Armature reaction through animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BXgi5lIxA0

Note; when the presenter split the generator circuit in half for explanation purposes; I found it interesting that it looks
almost exactly like the LinGen! He presents some interesting "data curves" and analysis.

How Does Synchronous Generator Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8zJKXkU_yM

This video is more of an indepth explaination of the synchronous generator - a good review.

Have a good day...

SL

pix

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #152 on: May 24, 2023, 11:19:22 AM »
Another thing to realize is that you're dealing with vector quantities so the angle is cheating you severely I think. You attempt to make v along same line as B. I tired to describe this yesterday, perhaps a graphic will help.
bi

from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/genwir2.html
If we are going to explain absolute basics, it is better to leave that site.
Let's leave it for individuals like Nix85 , with esoteric BS, pyramids, aliens ect.


Cheers,
Pix

rakarskiy

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #153 on: May 24, 2023, 11:55:33 AM »
https://overunity.com/19375/serious-hes-derivative-project-proposal/msg578263/#msg578263

It is this pirouette that I do not perceive.
There are two types of EMF:
For a conductor in a magnetic field - when the magnetic lines are crossed by the conductor (E= Bm*l*v)
For a conductor with a change in magnetic flux - transformer EMF (E = 4.44Фf)

These are absolutely two different types of induction EMF.

The first one does NOT enhance the external magnetic flux, but hinders it. Applicable to the frame generator and the like.
(I have more details here in the material "The resulting force of Ampere". By the way, this material proves that the Lorentz force as an actual component simply does not exist, but the Ampere Force works). In principle, this is a unipolar way of generating EMF.

The second is just the opposite, the magnetic flux arising from the phase current is added to the excitation flux. The question of how EMF arises in a groove or in a transformer window, physicists still do not know, they cannot explain. It's just a fact because this formula (E = 4.44Фf) is called engineering. For that, everyone is being pushed into the unipolar formula in explaining the operation of synchronous machines, which engineers calculate exactly according to the engineering formula.

bistander

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #154 on: May 24, 2023, 02:02:54 PM »
If we are going to explain absolute basics, it is better to leave that site.
Let's leave it for individuals like Nix85 , with esoteric BS, pyramids, aliens ect.


Cheers,
Pix

Hi Pix,
Please explain. Do you see problem with material on that attachment, or elsewhere on that site, or just disgusted with other crap on this forum, or with me? Shouldn't we always consider "basics"?
bi

pix

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #155 on: May 24, 2023, 06:29:36 PM »
Hi Pix,
Please explain. Do you see problem with material on that attachment, or elsewhere on that site, or just disgusted with other crap on this forum, or with me? Shouldn't we always consider "basics"?
bi
Absolutely no.
I just stated that if we have to explain to people absolute basics, elementary school knowledge as you did presented in your nice attachement- then there is no hope for that site and we will be overhelmed by trash like Nix85 is posting.


Cheers,
Pix

SolarLab

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #156 on: May 24, 2023, 07:11:01 PM »
It is this pirouette that I do not perceive.
There are two types of EMF:
For a conductor in a magnetic field - when the magnetic lines are crossed by the conductor (E= Bm*l*v)
For a conductor with a change in magnetic flux - transformer EMF (E = 4.44Фf)

These are absolutely two different types of induction EMF.

The first one does NOT enhance the external magnetic flux, but hinders it. Applicable to the frame generator and the like.
(I have more details here in the material "The resulting force of Ampere". By the way, this material proves that the Lorentz force as an actual component simply does not exist, but the Ampere Force works). In principle, this is a unipolar way of generating EMF.

The second is just the opposite, the magnetic flux arising from the phase current is added to the excitation flux. The question of how EMF arises in a groove or in a transformer window, physicists still do not know, they cannot explain. It's just a fact because this formula (E = 4.44Фf) is called engineering. For that, everyone is being pushed into the unipolar formula in explaining the operation of synchronous machines, which engineers calculate exactly according to the engineering formula.


Hi Rakarskiy,

The two perceived types of EMF generation might also be perceived (solved) by looking at:

Maxwell's 4th Law, Ampere's Law

The fourth of Maxwell’s law is Ampere’s law. The Ampere’s law states that the generation of magnetic fields
can be done in two methods namely with electric current as well as with changing electric fields. In integral
type, the induced magnetic field in the region of any closed loop will be proportional toward the electric
current and displacement current throughout the enclosed surface.

The Maxwell’s amperes law will make the set of the equations accurately reliable for non-static fields without
altering the Ampere as well as Gauss laws for fixed fields. But as a result, it expects that a change of the
magnetic field will induce an electric field. Thus, these mathematical equations will allow self-sufficient
electromagnetic wave for moving through empty space. The electromagnetic waves speed can be measured
and that could be expected from the currents as well as charges experiments match the light’s speed, and
this is one type of electromagnetic radiation.

 ∇ x B = J/ε0c2+ 1/c2 ∂E/∂t

Thus, this is all about Maxwell’s equations.

From the above equations, finally, we can conclude that these equations include four laws that are related
to the electric (E) as well as magnetic (B) field are discussed above. Maxwell’s equations may be written in
the form of equivalent integral as well as differential.

Both the integral and differential forms are shown below.

BTW - That's one of the reasons why using 3D CAE Analysis (it employes all 4 Maxwell's Equations) can be
very useful when looking at complex structures. But this is just IMHO.

SL


bistander

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #157 on: May 24, 2023, 07:42:12 PM »
Absolutely no.
I just stated that if we have to explain to people absolute basics, elementary school knowledge as you did presented in your nice attachement- then there is no hope for that site and we will be overhelmed by trash like Nix85 is posting.


Cheers,
Pix

I agree. Thanks.
But sometimes a reminder to use an angle is helpful.
bi

bistander

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #158 on: May 24, 2023, 07:50:21 PM »
...
(I have more details here in the material "The resulting force of Ampere". By the way, this material proves that the Lorentz force as an actual component simply does not exist, but the Ampere Force works). In principle, this is a unipolar way of generating EMF.
...

Hi Rakarskiy,
Ampere's Force equation again. You might, and others also, benefit from this article.
http://www.ampere.cnrs.fr/histoire/parcours-historique/lois-courants/force-obsolete/eng
bi

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #159 on: May 25, 2023, 12:08:57 PM »
Another thing to realize is that you're dealing with vector quantities so
Hi.
Of course.
I just wanted to say that a conventional three phase current not the best fit  for rotating magnetic field in non moving core.  Let's notice that in circular core magnetic field move as forward and back.
Maybe it good for motor. I believe that it is necessary to have current in two of the three coils at any given time.
And probably  it will be better meandr. ???

rakarskiy

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #160 on: May 26, 2023, 02:34:18 PM »
Continued, the beginning of the experiment at the link: https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg578333/#msg578333

Basically what I expected. The secondary winding of a conventional transformer does not function as a generator winding.
I conducted the experiment, got what I was looking for, current waveforms Screen1, Screen2. Period for two parts excitation from the source 12.8V in yellow 1, reset back to the source in blue 2.

I checked two frequencies, the indicator at 200Hz, that the current does not fall below 0.4A, says that the core is not demagnetized. At 70 Hz, the degaussing is already at its best, but still not completely. In principle, I have several ideas on how to solve this, while the current should still increase.

On the slides there is no over unity, there, the figure is at best 99.9%.


kolbacict

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #161 on: May 26, 2023, 05:37:14 PM »
I suppose that magnetic field will be rotating if make as this way as the picture.
That is, not switching the current in the coils in a circle, but switching the absence of current.
On the example of a six-coil.  But i don't made it yet.

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #162 on: May 26, 2023, 06:31:13 PM »
kolbacict,


If you need help understanding how a 3 phase rotating field can induce current into a fixed stator you might want to spend some time reading this thread:


https://overunity.com/19222/maybe-possible-idea-for-duplicating-effect-of-holcomb-and-others/


In that thread I have videos showing how power can be gotten from a rotating 3 phase field.


Several things have come up preventing me from getting back to that research right now but I do plan to continue it later.


Carroll

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Re: Serious HES derivative project proposal
« Reply #163 on: May 26, 2023, 08:06:54 PM »
If we then turn the alternator with a small DC motor like one of the scooter motors many of us have used in the past we now have a 3 phase source of power that can be adjusted both in frequency and power out.


Yes, I did that.
And then maybe we could take power from the brushes of the second alternator.  Of course we would need to lock the rotor of the second alternator as I believe it would probably try to turn with the 3 phase rotating field from the stator.  any increase in power going to the brushes of the first alternator.  Only testing will show if that is correct.
Carroll
I was  feeding three phase current in stator car alternator.
For some reason there was very little EMF. The Lundell rotor is apparently not designed for reverse power production. Could this was done to improve the efficiency of the car's alternator?
Maybe this Lundell was a smart dude? ;)

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« Reply #164 on: May 26, 2023, 09:18:08 PM »
There is good news for today!
The slide shows the amplitude of a pulse system with a parametric winding on the core of the transformer (the winding is different from the transformer). The system receives from source to source and returns (DC 11.8V). The resistor (0.1 Ohm), from which we measure the current in the circuit, is located in the parametric winding circuit. On the slide is the most optimal mode. While I was working with the transformer topology system, there was no way I could cross a line greater than 1. Therefore, all my achievements in understanding how a synchronous generator works are most likely correct.

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