I'm quickly learning you give away all the info, It don't really do anything. People will just take a quick look at a schematic and nag, say its all wrong anyways.

So I totally understand why some people just want to "show" off  It avoids lots of "that will never work" naysayer comments.,  As long as it works for them and they have lights when everyone else does not. Good for them. There is no obligation to prove to the general public the devices works if the inventor is not planning to release or commercialize it,

Yeah and as good as he is twists words around and such to confuse people it seems like in the video from the vacuum Bedini is all hell bent on the wheel, the size the rotations the speeds RPMs etc,

Meanwhile this is more of a big eye distraction that moves its more of a switch then a motor its just the magnet action causes  a slight force. He still needs to pay for the little trigger current. I understand the "off" time but there was a "on" time first and that on energy did get used. He never talked about that much.

He claimed to be open and transparent yet would blur out the black box. The important stuff.  Never mind how big the wheel is how fast it spins and how its lubricated for less friction etc, Bedini goes on and on and would spend hours on those secondary details and avoid the heart of it. And I did find patents and BackEMF motor examples and projects that were dated before Bedini's time. As far as I can remember I saw it on archive.org. So i'm sure Benidi must have seen those and ripped off lots of old concepts even the pulse battery thing wasn't new at all and Bedini made it sound like his discovery.

I do like what he was into but like you say don't understand what he was trying to get at even Tom Bearden some great books but the conspiracy theories. Oh boy! Don't know what the game was with them.

Totally agree on pretty much all that.

Dont understand Bedini waffling all day and showing hundreds videos and then muddying the information for decades.

 It was never his tech in the beginning.  Everything under the sun has been done and most of the serious guys like Tesla and various inventors in the early 1900s discovered amazing things that they tried to bring to market and then were later buried.
Bearden was just a fluff talker who loved going around and around with grandiose language but either didnt know the method or realized for whatever reason none of it worked long term.  Either way Bearden talked about various inventors with death threats and this and that tech but quite frankly Im not even sure his MEG worked overunity.  MEG is 98% efficient unless you add some special sauce which he never talked about.  In the end the legacy these guys leave behind is that they took money off a lot of people over the years and then didnt pay it back. 

What I have on my bench is all Tela tech variants and mixtures of guys that go back 100 years before bedini.  Now with the internet everything is copied and copied.  To say anyone has something original is almost impossible.

The problem with the lead cell anomaly is that polarization is occurring at the lead plates and with acid chemistry.  What NOBODY has ever submitted is a working schmatic that a dozen people can replicate and then run trials of hundreds of hours for.
SCIENTIFIC METHOD DICTATES that results are replicable every time and then you simply run time trials.   I have made my own circuits of desulfators- and high efficiency +98% chargers.   HIGH EFF often looks like OU but the time trials of DAYS then eventuALLY SHOW WHAT IT CAN AND CANNOT DO

All Im saying here is that we have to be honest with ourselves as scientific researchers.  Even Kapanadze.....what do we have....a handful of blurry videos of guys smoking cigarrettes and running devices for 15 mins. 

PLEASE I am not saying none of these devices or yours do not work.  I actually know that many of them do but at the end of it all the long term data has to be done.  When you have LARGE lead cell batteries, I have seen a polarizing occur and  because these batteries have large capacity they, seem to put out excess power for periods of time like you have shown.  But eventually whether it be because of galvanic mechanics or the electrolyte breaking down or whatever mysterious workings, the "fuel" runs out and they stop working.

Bedini discovered this and eventually all he had were a bunch of massive paperweights but he kept on talking ofr 40 years taking money

But heres the interesting thing,,,,just because the lead cell pulse charging doesnt work forever doesnt mean its a dead horse.  With scientific method you work out whats happeining in this case inside the battery and then apply it elsewhere.  Sometimes it leads to something and sometimes it doesnt

I appreciate all the comments here.  Especially the assesment of Bedini/Bearden and their publications.  If their circuits worked why can't we replicate them and see OU?

I've experimented with a hundred different pulse charging circuit set ups and have built numerous items from patrick kelly's book.

A handful of time I thought I had OU, only to later realize the meter was screwed up, or I was measuring in the wrong spot.

I've met other builders that also thought they had OU but really was just bad measuring.  Some people know their stuff doesn't work and promote it anyhow - others genuinely think it works but are mistaken. 

If it truly works, it will always work and others will be able to replicate it. That's the acid test.

The YouTube vid by Joel doesn’t prove much. Look here to see an example of a discharge curve I have seen many times on lead acid batteries. I have a CBA and have done perhaps hundreds of charge and discharge tests on various batteries over the years, many of the battery discharge curves look like the one in the image below, which is found at…

https://www.master-instruments.com.au/pages/test-under-specified-load.html

Dave Wing

Hi Dave

Thanks for the post and the valuable link outlining that there should always be a specified scientific method of testing/load discharge

Just a couple questions though.  What is YOUR method of charge.  Have you got an oscilloscope shot of the pulse charging you are using.  ??  What we are trying to ascertain here is energy in and energy out, NOT standard discharge cycles.

JOEL was showing very good work done whilst running a load and whilst I agree, this needs replication and repeatable trials to deem efficiency, whats not in question here is general capacity of lead cell batteries.

JOEL showed ascending voltage whilst under load at smaller inputs.  Can you explain this?

Thanks!

Well I been at it for over 20+ years and the internet has an archive, Just on this forum almost 10 years. If you want to read my various archives posts and video's posts from when I was a teen and first learning how resistors work with an old silly question and use that against me because I posted as new then so be it, Funny how people here like to call me "new" who makes that determination signor?

Folks someone is always going to say hes missing equipment, A meter is wrong, the circuit is wrong, the person is stupid etc,, what ever, You can feel what you want and no one is going to convince you, This Dave guy went as far as trying to order me on my youtube so what ever. I'm not obliged to his demands. It's only hobby, And many have already replications of my various cap dump experiments successfully here and outside of this community. Some have contacted me and thanked me in private, others I just found on my feed after posting my videos, so its great to be inspirational. So the posts are doing what they are supposed to do, Getting the people interested who are into this stuff and understand what I'm working on. They get inspired and even engaged! I got several enhancement tips that I thank everyone for! We all work together here so if you don't understand what is going on here. Don't just say "That will never work" AS maybe for YOU it will never work. But for some perhaps its just what they need to get on the track. And i'm going to share what I can. I'm not a shop or a store so yes i'm limited at what I can do with a kitchen, How ever comparing with most other experiments in the field, a few meters and a scope is very much the bulk of it. So don't say I lack a bunch of equipment to experiment when most have the same or less then what I got here.
Take care!

Well I been at it for over 20+ years and the internet has an archive, Just on this forum almost 10 years. If you want to read my various archives posts and video's posts from when I was a teen and first learning how resistors work with an old silly question and use that against me because I posted as new then so be it, Funny how people here like to call me "new" who makes that determination signor?

Folks someone is always going to say hes missing equipment, A meter is wrong, the circuit is wrong, the person is stupid etc,, what ever, You can feel what you want and no one is going to convince you, This Dave guy went as far as trying to order me on my youtube so what ever. I'm not obliged to his demands. It's only hobby, And many have already replications of my various cap dump experiments successfully here and outside of this community. Some have contacted me and thanked me in private, others I just found on my feed after posting my videos, so its great to be inspirational. So the posts are doing what they are supposed to do, Getting the people interested who are into this stuff and understand what I'm working on. They get inspired and even engaged! I got several enhancement tips that I thank everyone for! We all work together here so if you don't understand what is going on here. Don't just say "That will never work" AS maybe for YOU it will never work. But for some perhaps its just what they need to get on the track. And i'm going to share what I can. I'm not a shop or a store so yes i'm limited at what I can do with a kitchen, How ever comparing with most other experiments in the field, a few meters and a scope is very much the bulk of it. So don't say I lack a bunch of equipment to experiment when most have the same or less then what I got here.
Take care!

Keep Going Joel!!

I love it you think outside the box.  All the greatest innovations in history were achieved by folk that went against current thinking.  The 'Norms" have to be challenged. 

Dave, you raise valid points about the way we test but mate....you are just negative.  Whats wrong with you?  Replicate Joels experiment and show it online if you feel so strongly about it.

I have....and theres merit in it.

If we work together you can make life and systems a little better.  Nobody is making outlandish claims but Joel IS Sharing his valuable time and observations for zero dollars.  That alone is worthy of praise

Thanks Joel