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Author Topic: H-Bridge From 1 Relay- Maybe not ground-breaking but I like it.  (Read 1692 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: H-Bridge From 1 Relay- Maybe not ground-breaking but I like it.
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2023, 08:33:06 PM »
My capacitor order is delayed. I am anticipating some measurements of my own soon. Good solid quality work on your cap exchange ratios.

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Re: H-Bridge From 1 Relay- Maybe not ground-breaking but I like it.
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2023, 01:44:28 AM »
My capacitor order is delayed. I am anticipating some measurements of my own soon. Good solid quality work on your cap exchange ratios.

Cool..  The capacitor way is total verification if our OU events are actually OU.  But it isn't proof unless we can end up with more joules in the end.  Anything else is just "speculation"..

I just broke a lead off my matching set. Doah, need to scrounge..

I am going to repeat what I wrote earlier clearer..  For documentation.

Cap to cap of equal capacity always just about balances voltage and we end up losing 50% of the total energy.  But we actually lose 66% of what was transferred.  This number is constant is we go FULL to EMPTY...  But the efficiency of catch goes UP when we are closer in value.  If we dump from a cap with 20V to a cap that already has 15V, we lose a lot less in percent between transfer.

Same thing with a battery..  The slower we trickle charge, the more efficient because there is less waste. 12V battery with a 12.1V change will waste 0.1V.  Now a 12V cattery with 18V charge will waste 6V.  This is exactly whats happening with the capacitor but much more extreme because an empty cap is ZERO.  So sending 20V into 0 wastes 19V!~~  As the cap charges it wastes less and less.

The waste is able to be re-captured though.  Atleast some of it.  The waste creates a difference in potential between the 2 capacitor hot leads which can run loads while transferring between caps. The load between only runs on the wasted difference in potential (the waste).

When we test cap to cap, use a diode between hot leads because if we manage to send more than half the voltage, it will just re-transfer right back to the sending cap and balance. 

Now take a Low Ohm choke.  like 0.5 ohm.  Dump cap to cap with the diode through the choke.  Now the numbers change!

2 joules in starting cap =  20V
sends 15 V (1.875 Joules) and now has 5V (.125 Joules.)  Sent 93.75%
Caught 15V (1.125 Joules) Caught 60% of what was sent.
We have 1.25 Joules total combined.
We lost a total of 40% of what was sent. BUT
We have 62.5% of initial energy and lost 37.5% when combining the capacitor charges after transfer.

I do not know why yet, but the internal induction of a Choke allowed the sending capacitor to send 75% of it's initial voltage. It did not balance! Is it because Back EMF caused a voltage rise allowing more to flow out?  I dont know yet..  But I do know we just increased efficiency by about 25% by running it through a choke.

I also tried through a higher ohm choke.  No good- voltages balance.

If it can be proven capacitor to capacitor, then I think we can build a machine on the concept. The goal is to obtain an increase of stored joules.


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Re: H-Bridge From 1 Relay- Maybe not ground-breaking but I like it.
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2023, 12:40:49 AM »
Cool..  The capacitor way is total verification if our OU events are actually OU.  But it isn't proof unless we can end up with more joules in the end.  Anything else is just "speculation"..

I just broke a lead off my matching set. Doah, need to scrounge..

I am going to repeat what I wrote earlier clearer..  For documentation.

Cap to cap of equal capacity always just about balances voltage and we end up losing 50% of the total energy.  But we actually lose 66% of what was transferred.  This number is constant is we go FULL to EMPTY...  But the efficiency of catch goes UP when we are closer in value.  If we dump from a cap with 20V to a cap that already has 15V, we lose a lot less in percent between transfer.

Same thing with a battery..  The slower we trickle charge, the more efficient because there is less waste. 12V battery with a 12.1V change will waste 0.1V.  Now a 12V cattery with 18V charge will waste 6V.  This is exactly whats happening with the capacitor but much more extreme because an empty cap is ZERO.  So sending 20V into 0 wastes 19V!~~  As the cap charges it wastes less and less.

The waste is able to be re-captured though.  Atleast some of it.  The waste creates a difference in potential between the 2 capacitor hot leads which can run loads while transferring between caps. The load between only runs on the wasted difference in potential (the waste).

When we test cap to cap, use a diode between hot leads because if we manage to send more than half the voltage, it will just re-transfer right back to the sending cap and balance. 

Now take a Low Ohm choke.  like 0.5 ohm.  Dump cap to cap with the diode through the choke.  Now the numbers change!

2 joules in starting cap =  20V
sends 15 V (1.875 Joules) and now has 5V (.125 Joules.)  Sent 93.75%
Caught 15V (1.125 Joules) Caught 60% of what was sent.
We have 1.25 Joules total combined.
We lost a total of 40% of what was sent. BUT
We have 62.5% of initial energy and lost 37.5% when combining the capacitor charges after transfer.

I do not know why yet, but the internal induction of a Choke allowed the sending capacitor to send 75% of it's initial voltage. It did not balance! Is it because Back EMF caused a voltage rise allowing more to flow out?  I dont know yet..  But I do know we just increased efficiency by about 25% by running it through a choke.

I also tried through a higher ohm choke.  No good- voltages balance.

If it can be proven capacitor to capacitor, then I think we can build a machine on the concept. The goal is to obtain an increase of stored joules.


I think the 25 percent efficiency with the choke is the result of LC tank resonance. That's why increasing the Ohms failed to do any good.

A tuner coil with a sliding ferrite rod would possibly increase the efficiency, matching peak values to maximize the Q level.

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Re: H-Bridge From 1 Relay- Maybe not ground-breaking but I like it.
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2023, 12:54:29 AM »
Look at Tesla's hairpin circuit, the basis of all his following magnifying transmitters. He has the LC tank and the spark gap :in front of the load.

Connecting the secondary receiver capacitor where the light bulb is positioned would maximize the power in resonance. This circuit generates radient power which is stripped of it's magnetic field, non-electrofying in H2O. This permits a Lenz Free transfer.


Bob Smith explains that a non polorizrd charge acts as a positive and a spontaneous ground charge appears to match it.