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Dog-One

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2023, 07:01:22 PM »
My question is:

If space is already a vast sea of energy, what are these interesting
devices doing to keep the energy they extract, from reverting right
back to where it came from?  That's not natural or normal, so I in
a world of Natural Law, those devices must be breaking something.
Maybe that's why Wesley is so concerned.  Possibly he had a vision
of what could happen.

kolbacict

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #196 on: March 23, 2023, 07:54:25 PM »
The energy cannot but return.
Everything we use will end up as dissipated heat.
So you don't have to worry about that.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #197 on: March 23, 2023, 08:31:01 PM »
My question is:

If space is already a vast sea of energy, what are these interesting
devices doing to keep the energy they extract, from reverting right
back to where it came from?  That's not natural or normal, so I in
a world of Natural Law, those devices must be breaking something.
Maybe that's why Wesley is so concerned.  Possibly he had a vision
of what could happen.
It could be that the unlimited source we're trying to tap into, is like a water vessel placed above ours, and it can poor in energy as we desire. Yes, we could in theory burn outselves up, but we might also covert energy into mass. Like reverse cold fusion. turn some copper into nickle and actually chill.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #198 on: March 23, 2023, 10:18:09 PM »
@AC

Do you really think that the phrase "Over unity" means something from nothing?
If so, then....

Show me a single quote on this entire forum where in it is stated that energy comes from nothing.
Show me a single quote on this entire forum where in it is stated that energy comes from nowhere.

Exception ...
People like unto your self, who do not understand very much and therefore insist that OU must then mean something from nothing.

You    found    there is no such thing as Over Unity?  Wow, just wow.

Richard Feynman and Wheeler gave us the clue (and not you) when they "calculated there is enough energy in a volume of space as big as your fist to boil all the worlds oceans. If this is true nobody needs something from nothing because all space is already a vast sea of energy."

Not only that but also, every real world thing of which you are aware of, is composed entirely of energy.

Fantastic response and reason of why certain people should not be allowed on OU sights like this along with Stivep whom is a Moderator, now that's disturbing to say the least. I have copied his response to me on another thread so he can not deny it stating that OU does not exist. Giving people like this free reign on this site spells for disaster thus ruining every thread possible chances of success. If I wanted total crap I would go to the dump and hang out there but the smell is hard to overcome.

Our world is seething with energy with Tesla stating matter has no energy it's self yet draws it from the surrounding space. Eric Dollard has also stated this as Counter Space. I have also read and studied that energy is a thousand times smaller then the smallest atom which permeates all matter flowing between atoms unabated. Our own bodies do not create the energy we need to live, it is pulled in from an outside source as is all living things. Our hearts upper and lower chamber muscles twist when it pumps which creates polarization thus pulling in energy from an outside source. This is the reason why all living things have an Aura which is basically an electric field or there of.

Honestly I do agree with an article I read quite a long tome ago that there is no such thing as gravity as people understand it, as it is a push not a pull. Nearing a large body the radiation slows down the push from the other side so in essence you are being pushed into the large body from the unobstructed side. Floating in space unobstructed from all sides until you come to a large body or mass able to slow the push down from one side thus pushed into the planet or mass.

Some of you may disagree with what I or many others say but that doesn't give you the right to bombard the thread with useless BS to satisfy your warped sense of reality or understanding of our universe. NO one has all the answers even top scientist and physicist as we are a young race striving for answers.

Quote; "The energy cannot but return. Everything we use will end up as dissipated heat. So you don't have to worry about that."

I completely disagree, all energy returns to the source irregardless. The dissipated heat is losses from our inferior designs but did we actually destroy it.... I very much doubt that with limed understanding of energy as we know it.

I personally believe there is more than meets the eye then having to blow crap up to make energy when is surrounds us all.

Much respect.

« Last Edit: March 24, 2023, 02:50:46 AM by IMIGHTKNOW »

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #199 on: March 23, 2023, 10:49:04 PM »
Fantastic response and reason of why certain people should not be allowed on OU sights like this along with Stivep whom is a Moderator, now that's disturbing to say the least. I have copied his response to me on another thread so he can not deny it stating that OU does not exist. Giving people like this free rain on this site spells for disaster thus ruining every thread possible chances of success. If I wanted total crap I would go to the dump and hang out there but the smell is hard to overcome.

Our world is seething with energy .....


I personally believe there is more than meets the eye then having to blow crap up to make energy when is surrounds us all.

Much respect.

I agree with your agreements

I also really dont understand some like stivep wasting reams of pages arguing that OUdoes not exist  or whats OU definition is.

What are these people doing here then?  I repeat my earlier comments....nobody is claiming something from nothing or melting one elephant to make two.  But theres so much energy surrounding us we just need to look at the methods of conversion better

Do the naysayers not understand the Earths water cycle?  Do they not see the way our Sun actually recycles much of its energy??

So many energy particles in the free air around us.....all you have to do is EFFICIENTLY rectify it. 

But this silly world drills holes miles deep pumps oil from the bowels of the earth to burn and explosively/wastefully spin turbines.

Its so sad its hilarious

ramset

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #200 on: March 23, 2023, 10:52:38 PM »
Clarity
There is one “1” global moderator at this forum ,
Administrator and owner Stefan .forum handle
Hartiberlin.




There are many subsections or builders topics …individual “boards” ( hopefully that will grow )
Moderated by persons who experiment and share their work ,
( major prerequisite obviously open source)


So … no subsection moderator can moderate any other part of forum except their own board.
Also there are a few areas of forum with general moderator (1 example:HHO section Grumage?)


Stefan is trying to get this more organized, and better understood by membership here !


One thing is certain…we need our energies focused on open source FE solutions !
Flamewars between members….not so much !
Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #201 on: March 23, 2023, 11:10:03 PM »
I'm not qualified to do the calculations, but keep in mind that the atmosphere only provides 1 bar to work with.
As you build a higher lift, there are diminishing returns, every minute step of the way.
You play with immense energy but for the OU part you only address their relative mass for buoyancy.

Such a build, even by your calcs, would seek to squeeze out tiny bit of theoretical OU, from a structure that wouldn't be much easier to build than the next tallest building in the world. Using a deep decommissioned mine might be a way around it, but still brings in huge running costs. Playing with H and O underground in, imagine that...

Even IF you somehow find a process that's OU, you won't be able to sell energy at an attractive rate. All this time oldering some wind turbines and solar panels on Alibaba would have been the more profitable thing to do.

I like the creativity of combining chemistry and physics, though...


I see that you were deprived of helium baloons as a child


The higher we go, the less pressure: the point at which hydrogen (and its’ mass in oxygen cargo) balances out with the atmosphere (at electrolysis pressures) is higher than the terminal velocity altitude of water.
(above the clouds)


This is thousands of times greater potential energy at this height than anything we would have used in electricity to separate the gasses.


What happens when we electrolyze water in an open vessel?
The hydrogen travels all the way into outer space.






Dog-One

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #202 on: March 23, 2023, 11:13:24 PM »
Honestly I do agree with an article I read quite a long tome ago that there is no such thing as gravity as people understand it, as it is a push not a pull. Nearing a large body the radiation slows down the push from the other side so in essence you are being pushed into the large body from the unobstructed side. Floating in space unobstructed from all sides until you come to a large body or mass able to slow the push down from one side thus pushed into the planet or mass.

I don't think gravity is actually a primordial force.  It's more likely an
artifact of forces that are primordial.  Mr. Tesla spoke of it.  There is a
force that perpetuates a free flow (of something, maybe energy ?)
within the universe and where there is an obstacle (large mass), this
force builds due to the resistance of the obstruction.  Think of it as
the universe being pressurized.  Or as some scientists speculate,
mass is a condensate of energy and where there is mass, the energy
naturally flows toward it to fill the void of energy created by the
mass.  When near the surface of the mass where there is the maximum
degree of condensation happening, a tiny force develops that we
label as gravity.

I've read some stuff explaining how the planets in our solar system
appear to gaining mass and the calculations seem to indicate not all
that gain can be accounted for by celestial body impacts.  So the
planets are literally growing--converting energy mostly from our
sun into mass.  That's pretty cool when you think about it.  The formula
E = MC2 operating in reverse of how we normally think about it.
Imagine how much energy it would take to grow a planet enough to
be noticeable.  That's a lot of Joules.

sm0ky2

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #203 on: March 24, 2023, 12:04:35 AM »
Downward gravitational acceleration is simply the inverse of the buoyant vertical acceleration.
Both are the same force, with opposite magnitudes.
Displacement


Archimedes describes this using fluids and solids but the same applies also to gasses.
Displacement calculations describe gravity more accurately than any commonly accepted gravitational theory. Which is why when we need accurate gravity data, we still use Archimedes’ mathematics. (when less precision is required Newton does the job fine)


We can also perfectly describe interactions between galaxies using this math.
Not just in one direction (gravitational attraction) but in both, to include galaxies that are moving further apart.


As for “what the force is” , it doesnt seem likely that we will ever truly know.
It is imperceptible to most of our senses, much like magnetism.
What we do know is it is governed not by the mass of the object, but that masses density.


the Poisson equation would includes a partial assessment, but fundamentally all of our theories break at large scales. This is why we invent fudge factor concepts like “dark matter” and “dark energy”. These represent the magnitude of error in our gravity theories.


Rather than correcting our theories, it is easier for conceited professors to imagine an unknown, undetectable quantity that ‘must be’ throwing off their equations.
Perhaps…..  but it equally likely that the problems lie in the theories themselves.


Even general relativity breaks, giving rise to the need for special relativity, which also breaks,


Expansion is a complete farce’


Originally conceived to explain why we are curiously moving away from a majority of the closest galaxies to us (and the first ones we were able to observe)
But the premise indicates we cannot ever test or prove these theories.
And also expansion cannot be observed. Not in galaxies, not in entire regions of the universe.


Not because we haven’t looked, and not because it isn’t there (it isn’t, but that’s irrelevant)
But because of what it is described as.
In short it says that the distance between any two points is expanding.
The meter (being a measurement of a distance between two points) would therefore be expanding at the same rate.
As would the Joule and the Newton.
We could never possibly observe expansion because our tools for observation themselves would also be expanding: my conclusion: expansion theories are irrelevant to our observations of galaxies, it cannot even be defined as a cause of anything we can observe.


Since the proposal of expansion theories, we have discovered countless more galaxies and observe them moving in all conceivable relative directions. Thus our original observations that led to expansion theories were incomplete to begin with.
It is also important to note that if the Joule is expanding, entropy is broken.


The true age of our universe is now under question as we are now able to observe galaxies beyond the distance we defined as “the beginning of time”.
Thus, Big Bang theory is (at very least) inaccurate, at worst: never was real to begin with.
























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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #204 on: March 24, 2023, 12:12:03 AM »
@theDogOne:


Part of this problem comes from the way we classify that data.
‘impact’ can mean physical: those meteorites that actually hit the ground:
                           Atmospheric: ‘shooting stars’: those meteorites that burn up in the atmosphere.
But should ALSO include the ice, the dust, and unobserved tiny pebbles, the gasses that accumulate towards a planetary body, etc, etc.
This is a highly controversial subject, because when fully calculated explains rising sea levels
and counteracts trillions of $$$ in climate change research and political agendas.



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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #205 on: March 24, 2023, 03:17:33 AM »
Yes I love it, and yes I do think it is all about Sound, resonance, Vibrations and pressure gradients. Our universe produces billions of amps and volts creating galaxies, stars and planets and apparently it did not get the memo from ney-sayers that it can't be done lol! :o

"counteracts trillions of $$$ in climate change research and political agendas."

Amazingly every so called green deal they present when boil down or unwrapped to the basics are nothing but a big fat money grab and control.
Yes Tesla was shut down because he was a direct threat to there establishment control in place just as Royal Raymond Rife and Hoxsey clinics  but that's getting off the subject at hand lol!

There is not one doubt in my mind that they started their control in around 1880 to 1890 then ushered in the clown in the purple suit. ;D The rest is spending billions to stop the spread of the truth .

What blows my mind is the fact that I read that magnetism might not exist. Specifically the south field is a voidance charging into counterspace and as such the reason for the attraction to a north field. The north is basically the discharge and the fact that they both spin in the same direction looking from above. I have also found that the south field is detectable slightly farther then that of the north field which makes me scratch my head

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #206 on: March 24, 2023, 10:02:04 AM »
You are probably Russian (who is called "Vanka, who does not remember kinship").

I am not Russian, I am Romanian...

And yes, we are fighting with these scumbag globalists for 30 years, far longer than patriot republicans. Patriot republicans started to fight them around 2016, when Trump was in campaign,
but we in Romania, we fight them since 1990. Sure they never called themselves globalists or Neoliberals, but they were, and are still, The Right Wing.  And that in Romanian terms, meaning "austerity obsessed scumbags that portray themselves as representatives of the West".

I'm just hoping Russia cuts thru Ukraine not because I'd having something against your country. I just want mine freed of these scumbags. The octopus has gotten itself everything it wanted,
and in 2019, it finally infiltrated and terminated from the inside the Social-Democratic Party aka the Left, which in Romanian terms means "normal people, bringers of better salaries, pensions, economic growth, austerity stoppers". The #new version of it is nothing but a bunch of globalist asskissers who, like The Right Wing, are ashamed of being Romanians, that we didn't adopt the vaxx passport...

Ukrainians are as brainwashed as we were in the 1990s when we were loving the West - though we were hating the neoliberal Right Wing. We would fought Russia if it were to invade us up to 1997.

You know what will happen if Ukraine wins ? Let's say Russia withdraws and Ukraine wins.

Europe comes in. Ukrainian nationalism extinguished over the night. You will no longer be allowed to be proud of being Ukrainian. All gone in the globalist way of being. What, you think your country is special, to be the only one where nationalism is promoted ? That will be done when Ukraine is no longer needed against Russia.

This is what awaits the proud Azov fighters returning home with injuries and limbs missing. An ungrateful European Ukraine. Left without every resource it has, maybe even without coal power

stations (EU will say that well, Russia bombed them but these are not green anyway), maybe even without cows or everything globalists do not want us to eat. And their Ukrainian kids are gonna be

told in schools that they can be either boys or girls, as they please. Imagine the bitter taste to no longer recognize the country you fought and were injured for...

Those who go to war knowing all of this are bound to go to hell.

Only those who are blessed about not being aware of the globalist agenda can finish the war, dead or alive, with a clean conscience.

P.S. What's with the Jahbulon drawing ?

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #207 on: March 24, 2023, 12:49:49 PM »
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Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #208 on: March 24, 2023, 01:57:17 PM »
I don't think gravity is actually a primordial force.  It's more likely an
artifact of forces that are primordial.  Mr. Tesla spoke of it.  There is a
force that perpetuates a free flow (of something, maybe energy ?)
within the universe and where there is an obstacle (large mass), this
force builds due to the resistance of the obstruction.  Think of it as
the universe being pressurized.  Or as some scientists speculate,
mass is a condensate of energy and where there is mass, the energy
naturally flows toward it to fill the void of energy created by the
mass.  When near the surface of the mass where there is the maximum
degree of condensation happening, a tiny force develops that we
label as gravity.

I've read some stuff explaining how the planets in our solar system
appear to gaining mass and the calculations seem to indicate not all
that gain can be accounted for by celestial body impacts.  So the
planets are literally growing--converting energy mostly from our
sun into mass.  That's pretty cool when you think about it.  The formula
E = MC2 operating in reverse of how we normally think about it.
Imagine how much energy it would take to grow a planet enough to
be noticeable.  That's a lot of Joules.
I've also heard the theory that mass is the absense of vacuum, causing a kind of 3-dimensional water slide for other mass.
I'm not sure it behaves quite proportional across scales though, else we'd see lots of space rocks clogging together rather than breaking up.
There are (ancient) theories that attribute various levels of consiousness to the elements, and celestial objects.
A magnetic object near a magnets will function as a magnet itself, right? Similarly, a planet may derive gravity from its nearby star. We don't really orbit the SUN, we dangle behind it. Oddly, the Earth is trapped in a faux-orbit behind the Sun, but a balanced pencil doesn't fall over when the sun sets. Something all but negates the immense pull the Sun has on Earth, here on the surface. Oceans and seas breathe as the moon spins around the Earth. Water in a dinner plate will just sit there. Scale does something strange to gravity, or its assigned to objects rather than particles.

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2023, 02:22:29 PM »
I am not Russian, I am Romanian...

And yes, we are fighting with these scumbag globalists for 30 years, far longer than patriot republicans. Patriot republicans started to fight them around 2016, when Trump was in campaign,
but we in Romania, we fight them since 1990. Sure they never called themselves globalists or Neoliberals, but they were, and are still, The Right Wing.  And that in Romanian terms, meaning "austerity obsessed scumbags that portray themselves as representatives of the West".

I'm just hoping Russia cuts thru Ukraine not because I'd having something against your country. I just want mine freed of these scumbags. The octopus has gotten itself everything it wanted,
and in 2019, it finally infiltrated and terminated from the inside the Social-Democratic Party aka the Left, which in Romanian terms means "normal people, bringers of better salaries, pensions, economic growth, austerity stoppers". The #new version of it is nothing but a bunch of globalist asskissers who, like The Right Wing, are ashamed of being Romanians, that we didn't adopt the vaxx passport...

Ukrainians are as brainwashed as we were in the 1990s when we were loving the West - though we were hating the neoliberal Right Wing. We would fought Russia if it were to invade us up to 1997.

You know what will happen if Ukraine wins ? Let's say Russia withdraws and Ukraine wins.

Europe comes in. Ukrainian nationalism extinguished over the night. You will no longer be allowed to be proud of being Ukrainian. All gone in the globalist way of being. What, you think your country is special, to be the only one where nationalism is promoted ? That will be done when Ukraine is no longer needed against Russia.

This is what awaits the proud Azov fighters returning home with injuries and limbs missing. An ungrateful European Ukraine. Left without every resource it has, maybe even without coal power

stations (EU will say that well, Russia bombed them but these are not green anyway), maybe even without cows or everything globalists do not want us to eat. And their Ukrainian kids are gonna be

told in schools that they can be either boys or girls, as they please. Imagine the bitter taste to no longer recognize the country you fought and were injured for...

Those who go to war knowing all of this are bound to go to hell.

Only those who are blessed about not being aware of the globalist agenda can finish the war, dead or alive, with a clean conscience.

P.S. What's with the Jahbulon drawing ?
I stood on Maidan Square Kiev, around 2012 for their Independence Day celebrations. My one grnadfather was thrown into a nazi work camp, the other volunteered to join the Brits in fighting them.
It was very uneasy to hear the people on stage speak their ethnic minority language, and mention their language/country/ethicity in what seemed absolutely every sentence. The crowd around me wasn't cheering, they were eerily silent while on stage there was a huge nationalist celebrantion going on.
10 years on, even the citizens of near 100% Russian ethnicity right on the border, were ready to declare absolute hate for anything Russian. The propaganda has been masterful. The massacres that to outsiders were super transparent and an insult to our intelligence, seem to have sealed the deal, even Ukrainian who were raised speakin Russian, going to Orthodox Church, for many generations, gave up on love and joined team hate. Happy to look away from Azov committing genocide on their ethnic brothers and sisters in Donbass, pretending it was Russia that did all the killing there, reducing the supposed motives to "they suck, they are evil, Putin wants to colonize the world". 2014 was an invastion, then 8 years of war, and THEN supposedly Russia invaded. Wait, weren't they killing your countrymen for 8 years, both the one in Donbass and the UKR military bombing the shit out of it? Ukraine wants to have it both ways. More ways. Free dollars to rain on the corrupt leaders, happily to be full on nazis, with the swastika flags open in the streets, no face masks even. Dollars are the nectar that make them feel like gods.
In my country, there are more homeless people eating from trashcans than ever in my life. None of them are Ukrainians, they come here and get nice appartments and ample income, they are treated like gods. While the ideologicals (proverbial) songs they sing perfectly rhymes with the nazi tunes from the 30s and 40s. My grandparents were there in WW2, I think I know enough to recognize toxic nationalism that has started to condone genocide. I felt it, the first time in my live, on Maidan Square. I feel it, when I speak to Ukrainian immigrants.
Some actually agree with me and state that this is why they left, never to return. Overall, the propaganda has been amazing. So many believe it, love it, thrive on it. Love can be hard to find if you're not taught how to, but when you're fueled by hate, you can get it anywhere, anytime. With some propaganda as well explained during the WW2 trials, it gets really easy.

Globalists are a factor, but they can't be more of a problem than we mentally grant them power. Hate is their most used and most effective tool. It works for them, thus can't be used against them. What we can use is positive thoughts, higher vibrations.
See how quickly Germany was able to rebound. Humanity IS capable at forgiveness. Any delay is at our own detriment.
Doesn't mean I'll be very patient with those who choose hate though.
Wesley with his blind hatred and fear for Russia, it's just sad. It's so powerful in the likes of him, that we only need to attribute something to a Russian and he'll hate it just for that reason. What a mighty weapon to wield, hatred for anything Russian, so you only need to put all your crimes in contract to something you loosely associate with Russia and all critical thought will be foregone. Steal your wife, say she's needed to kill the Russians. Steal your kid, say it's needed to feed the dogs you're sending after Russia. A hate sect has been created, but it's larger than most organized religions.
Even the Russian language and church being banned, doesn't ring a bell, no links to WW2 are allowed. Especially since Russians where the heroes there, all but defeaiting the nazis before the western nations stopped twiddling their thumbs and came to Normady to plant some flags. They had to race to Berlin to still get half of that. USA throwing nukes and worse on the softest targets far from home and taking their sweet time to help out Europe showed that the nazis were not the only evil in WW2. Those who plant the flags write the history though. Those who hold the media now control the thoughts of those who are exposed to said media.

It takes a hero to publicly oppose local media or national politicies and ideologies.