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Author Topic: Is this the beginning of the end?  (Read 30633 times)

stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #165 on: March 22, 2023, 12:03:24 PM »
Dear Stefan:
I'm  one of your best supporters  truthfully,  honestly dedicated .
I'm capable of investing my time and my money  into it  or support of  it without any gain but satisfaction.
Thanks to this forum I invested  many thousands of  dollars into  checking, experimenting traveling
around the world , additional lab equipment, and even work of  employee on the project.
For your knowledge:
Costa Rica experiment consumed more than 20k
Lithuania Experiment  consumed ~ 7k
Kapanadze  12k  and I almost died there . YES IT MATTERS TO ME!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That above -is only a few  percent  of my investment I could put that money into a purchase 
of one more house  in New York.. But I didn't

I don't need a position  authority. level or promotion.
I want this place to be worth presenting to   physicists, mechanical engineers, without
me being ashamed  of doing so.

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I'm  in science of facts and   predictable conclusions .
Beliefs are good  in Church but not when you expect applicable value .
Yes I don't believe in Overunity and  overunity doesn't exist.
It's physical existence is   conflicting with  laws of thermodynamics .
I'm here   because  of Free Energy means Energy for free.
Social platform   can be respected  by  scientists if it gives them   place to
communicate,  share and contribute.

But if it becomes  a place with   all trash. I will  quit.

Wesley 

 

Paul-R

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #166 on: March 22, 2023, 12:12:48 PM »
Wesley if you don't believe into overunity why are you then here ??
It's all about definition.
I will repeat Patrick's which is very useful for us and our work:

Energy put out
--------------------= OU rate (possibly expressed as a percentage. 
Energy put in BY YOU

We are all grown ups and do not expect people to piss us off by bringing up heat pumps or PV panels.

bistander

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #167 on: March 22, 2023, 12:45:43 PM »
...
Check out this new generator that pruces 16 x OU !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UG77x4UZDA

We've seen that before. It does not work without power input and provides no useful work output. Why have one?
bi

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #168 on: March 22, 2023, 01:22:20 PM »
Dear Stefan:
I'm  one of your best supporters  truthfully,  honestly dedicated .
I'm capable of investing my time and my money  into it  or support of  it without any gain but satisfaction.
Thanks to this forum I invested  many thousands of  dollars into  checking, experimenting traveling
around the world , additional lab equipment, and even work of  employee on the project.
For your knowledge:
Costa Rica experiment consumed more than 20k
Lithuania Experiment  consumed ~ 7k
Kapanadze  12k  and I almost died there . YES IT MATTERS TO ME!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That above -is only a few  percent  of my investment I could put that money into a purchase 
of one more house  in New York.. But I didn't

I don't need a position  authority. level or promotion.
I want this place to be worth presenting to   physicists, mechanical engineers, without
me being ashamed  of doing so.

____________________________________________________________________

I'm  in science of facts and   predictable conclusions .
Beliefs are good  in Church but not when you expect applicable value .
Yes I don't believe in Overunity and  overunity doesn't exist.
It's physical existence is   conflicting with  laws of thermodynamics .
I'm here   because  of Free Energy means Energy for free.
Social platform   can be respected  by  scientists if it gives them   place to
communicate,  share and contribute.

But if it becomes  a place with   all trash. I will  quit.

Wesley
Don't take it out on your space bar like that.
It's an inanimate object.

You want people who think or know differently to you to be cancelled and if one of the most respected (effort, leadership and personal conduct) in the global community (Stefan is, simple as) doesn't act as you tell him to, you'll quit the pursuit of helping out the planet and its occupancy with your efforts towards OU?

You make it really hard for outsiders to see that you're in this for anything but ego.
We can't see inside your head, we don't see the grandure, the immense intellegence and warm heart for all living things.
Your job is to at least make it slightly plausible from the outside that you possess any virtues. No need to overdo the virtue signaling, but doing the opposite never worked for anyway.
Setting standards for others to follow as precursor to do the thing you feel is the right thing to do anyway... I wonder which sage ever taught you that method of self mastery?

If you made it easier for others to see (or at least guess) that you mean well, you wouldn't need to start a message with your self identifications as well meaning supporter.

I suggest a proverbial mirror and just 5 minutes of silence. If the feeling sucks, the good news is that you are indeed the master of your own feelings, thus you can steer them the way you like, right in that moment. Your actions and words will change accordingly. Others CAN assume your sweet and cuddly, and they'd see the effects, but it's not all on them to change you or how you're perceived.

People might now mistakenly perceive you a bit like a guy upturning tables and tearing down shelfs in a store, expressing in passionate words how he means so well and only thinks about the well being of others, and demands to be understood.
Like with the Chinese finger puzzle, pulling harder might not be the answer. A twist of approach, might.

ramset

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #169 on: March 22, 2023, 03:46:26 PM »
Here A Dr.s opinions on science,physics, antigravity etc etc  and perhaps we hear the word Overunity too ?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJawfjDLUg


Dr.Greer
And Danika Patrick
PS
At
104:15 Air Force airbase 1988 showcased older anti gravity ( from 1950’s?)
3 anti gravity craft with Mercury era control systems..

At 57:30
Dr Greer writes his solution ( open source lab with live streaming 24/7 365 to share all)
IMO
The entire Vid is incredibly informative ( premiere to his “lost century “ data share in June..

Respectfully
Chet K

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #170 on: March 22, 2023, 05:24:34 PM »
Here A Dr.s opinions on science,physics, antigravity etc etc  and perhaps we hear the word Overunity too ?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJawfjDLUg


Dr.Greer
And Danika Patrick
PS
At
104:15 Air Force airbase 1988 showcased older anti gravity ( from 1950’s?)
3 anti gravity craft with Mercury era control systems..

At 57:30
Dr Greer writes his solution ( open source lab with live streaming 24/7 365 to share all)
IMO
The entire Vid is incredibly informative ( premiere to his “lost century “ data share in June..

Respectfully
Chet K
Oh wow, Danica...
Curious to see whether she's going to come back on TV after having that guest on...

BorisKrabow

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #171 on: March 22, 2023, 05:26:53 PM »
Don't take it out on your space bar like that.
It's an inanimate object.

.....You want people who think or know differently to you to be cancelled .........

                 Wow ! so you are a mishandled Russian troll  ?   Tell your story, I'm interested. You work for money or as you wish. You tell such stories at home: You were in enemy territory and engaged in subversive activities   ........     :)   :)   :) 

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #172 on: March 22, 2023, 05:36:44 PM »
                 Wow ! so you are a mishandled Russian torll  ?   Tell your story, I'm interested. You work for money or as you wish. You tell such stories at home: You were in enemy territory and engaged in subversive activities   ........     :)   :)   :)
Wesley says so, so I HAVE to be a Russian troll. How could I ever dare oppose His Grace?

I'll just need to obey and start learning the language and then find that illusive employer that will pay me good money for what I'm volunteering here at no charge. Imagine the troll powers I'll acquire with state support?

It's glorious how the kinds of people first to yell "Russian Troll" or "Chinese Spy" tend to be in that rare bracket of delightful monoglots who handly get themselves through a sentence in their native language.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #173 on: March 22, 2023, 06:16:17 PM »
Wesley says so, so I HAVE to be a Russian troll. How could I ever dare oppose His Grace?

I'll just need to obey and start learning the language and then find that illusive employer that will pay me good money for what I'm volunteering here at no charge. Imagine the troll powers I'll acquire with state support?

It's glorious how the kinds of people first to yell "Russian Troll" or "Chinese Spy" tend to be in that rare bracket of delightful monoglots who handly get themselves through a sentence in their native language.

                 I try to be open-minded, but everything has a limit. Everyone has the right to political and cultural preferences, but presenting information that is accepted worldwide as lies and propaganda is a sign of bad parenting or subversion. The continuous flow of demagoguery throughout the forum does point to a covert form of subversion. "You can't just" talk nonsense on all topics on a technical forum without being a specialized specialist - you will be noticed and punished.

                 P.S     I don't know English well "but I'm good at distinguishing good from evil" - Ronald Reagan.

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #174 on: March 22, 2023, 07:32:29 PM »
                 I try to be open-minded, but everything has a limit. Everyone has the right to political and cultural preferences, but presenting information that is accepted worldwide as lies and propaganda is a sign of bad parenting or subversion. The continuous flow of demagoguery throughout the forum does point to a covert form of subversion. "You can't just" talk nonsense on all topics on a technical forum without being a specialized specialist - you will be noticed and punished.

                 P.S     I don't know English well "but I'm good at distinguishing good from evil" - Ronald Reagan.
Are there any well established political "facts"?
The English language region is kind of tiny compared to Asia.
Most people alive today, live in countries who don't support the Western understanding of affairs which is ultra super specific who started what and when and who's the good guys.
When taking sides in politics, the chance of picking the right side may well be below 50%, as often times, both are wrong. Those who were wrong in big social or political conflicts, were so sure they were on the right side, they'd kick family members from their lives for it, send money and took to war to make it even more actionable.
I love being right as much as the next guys, but directly following doing my overdue due diligence, I've had to take a 180º on my original Western-influenced stance.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #175 on: March 22, 2023, 10:12:51 PM »
Did you know....

Over Unity exists

600 meters or approximately 2000 feet as a hydrogen balloon lift.

1 cubic meter of hydrogen can lift 1.2 kilograms at sea level.

82 grams per cubic meter of hydrogen

48 kilo watt hours to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen

1 kilo watt hour = (is an expenditure of ) 3,600,000 joules

48 kilo watt hours = 172,800,000 joules

82 grams = 0.082 kilogram

48 kilo watt hours x 0.082 = 3.393 kilo watt hours to produce 82 grams of hydrogen by electrolysis.

3.393  kilo watt hours =  12,214,800 joules

9.8 joules to lift 1 kilogram 1 meter

9.8 x 1.2 Kg = 11.76 joules to lift 1.2 Kg 1 meter

11.6 joules x 600 meters = 6,960 joules

1.2 kilograms falling 600 meters = 6,960 joules

12,214,800  joules in (to produce 82 g of H) : 6,960 joules kinetic out = 1,755 to 1 ratio

1,755 x 600 = 1,053,000 meters of height to break even. ...654 miles

Water is 784 times more dense than air.

1,053,000 meters / 783 = 1,344 meters (4409 feet or  0.8351229 mile) of depth in water to break even, if electrolysis  of water can be done as efficiently at that depth and pressure, as it can be done at sea level.
                           
What is the volume of and buoyancy of what was 1 cu meter of hydrogen at sea level air pressure, once it is at a depth of 1,344 meters in water ?  ...... 13,141.22 kPa or 1905.97 psi

Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity.

Care to dispute this ?

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #176 on: March 22, 2023, 10:53:57 PM »

I want this place to be worth presenting to   physicists, mechanical engineers, without
me being ashamed  of doing so.



IMO, they already have thousands of sites of that nature..  The whole lure of this site is that it does not conform.    If I wanted boring conformity, I'd hang out on Electroboom's youtube channel..

stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2023, 11:08:40 PM »
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Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #178 on: March 22, 2023, 11:08:44 PM »
Did you know....

Over Unity exists

600 meters or approximately 2000 feet as a hydrogen balloon lift.

1 cubic meter of hydrogen can lift 1.2 kilograms at sea level.

82 grams per cubic meter of hydrogen

48 kilo watt hours to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen

1 kilo watt hour = (is an expenditure of ) 3,600,000 joules

48 kilo watt hours = 172,800,000 joules

82 grams = 0.082 kilogram

48 kilo watt hours x 0.082 = 3.393 kilo watt hours to produce 82 grams of hydrogen by electrolysis.

3.393  kilo watt hours =  12,214,800 joules

9.8 joules to lift 1 kilogram 1 meter

9.8 x 1.2 Kg = 11.76 joules to lift 1.2 Kg 1 meter

11.6 joules x 600 meters = 6,960 joules

1.2 kilograms falling 600 meters = 6,960 joules

12,214,800  joules in (to produce 82 g of H) : 6,960 joules kinetic out = 1,755 to 1 ratio

1,755 x 600 = 1,053,000 meters of height to break even. ...654 miles

Water is 784 times more dense than air.

1,053,000 meters / 783 = 1,344 meters (4409 feet or  0.8351229 mile) of depth in water to break even, if electrolysis  of water can be done as efficiently at that depth and pressure, as it can be done at sea level.
                           
What is the volume of and buoyancy of what was 1 cu meter of hydrogen at sea level air pressure, once it is at a depth of 1,344 meters in water ?  ...... 13,141.22 kPa or 1905.97 psi

Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity.

Care to dispute this ?
You still need to bring the hydrogen up to 1 bar for sea level electrolysis.
I don't see how hydrolysis to 1 bar is giving enough lifting power to raise itself and then be burned, even at low losses.

If you find a way (I've recently heard some) to achieve cheap electrolysis at significant pressure, you may gain energy from the rise to the surface and then up a tall lift.

Don't tell the environmentalists though, because you'd just ending up heating the atmosphere more efficiently than a diesel truck :)

stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #179 on: March 22, 2023, 11:09:45 PM »
It is a simple answer. This forum is  under attack of few newbies  whose agenda is  unlikely theirs but their supervisors.
I should  have donate all of that money to this forum many years ago  and sign off.
 Stefan would have some return from  his  voluntary activity  that is not easy to handle.
He is also paying for some Russian trolls to be able to  write here.

This forum   has a nice group of quite  talented thinkers.
Please understand  that Putin and his terrorists don't obey any language of peace and cooperation.
The only language they understand is  brutal force, restrictions, sanctions, closed doors and over 160 000 killed Russian troops  in Ukraine.
Today I'm likely the main target for them on this forum, - tomorrow  it will be  someone else.
Soviet Union - Russia was chapped  into pieces in 1990 and they  will   collapse again soon.
 Unpleasant, smelly  collapsing economy  where  average income is ~$150 per month is the result of
Russian's: 
               "Let's see what they will do if we attack Ukraine."
and now it is:
                "Let's see what they will do if we attack this forum"

At best  for them will be : If I don't have anything on hand.
At worse : due to advanced technology Russia will collapse  faster ..
Dear Trolls  spray me with virus again, make me suffer.
Find  how much  of my story is a lie :) 
The decision is yours Stefan .
With all due respect

opinion expressed is my own.

Wesley