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onepower

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #150 on: March 21, 2023, 07:56:02 AM »
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On the generation side, I can imagine wind and solar are much more labor intensive than large scale power stations.
A lot of people work in oil mining and surveying, though.

A person has to be careful because there is a lot of fake news and propaganda against renewables.

For example, I have worked in the oil and gas sector and power generation so I know how stuff actually works. A power station running on natural gas is dependent on and includes all the wells drilled, compressor stations, Dehydrators and countless miles of leaking pipe. So an average gas well is running $3 million times 300 wells in a small field times 200 plus miles of gas pipe at $1 million a mile plus all associated infrastructure which could easily be depleted by a small 500 megawatt cogen station in around 20 years or so. The problem is the damage due to the pollution generated by the plant could cost more than the billion dollar plus installation cost not including recycling or reclamation.

Solar has a basic one time cost much lower than fossil fuels and has zero fuel running costs. The only pollution is associated with the production and recycling of the materials used. Solar panels don't need to be replaced after 25 years because the power rating is still at 75%. Solar panels only lose about 1% per year and I would gladly buy everyone's used 25 year old panels at 75% power for 75% less cost, it's a real bargain. Everyone is already buying all the used solar panels and EV battery packs. But obviously nobody is buying the used pipeline rotting in the ground, abandoned wells or rusting worn out power stations. 

So let's stop bullshitting everyone and if we added up all the real costs, 100% recycling and reclamation of all infrastructure/land as well as all environmental damage fossil fuels will always lose. Fossil fuels will not just lose but get there ass kicked and handed there hat by renewables.

AC


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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2023, 09:50:31 AM »
   Hi !   

This post was posted in the wrong thread due to an error.

                                                         I have moved this post to the correct thread.
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg575422/#msg575422

                              Best regards Boris                                                         

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2023, 11:17:26 AM »
Solar panels don't need to be replaced after 25 years because the power rating is still at 75%. Solar panels only lose about 1% per year...
This is true but, in all fairness, one should compute in the likelihood that technology will improve and the panels will be scrapped or sold on and replaced with better ones.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2023, 11:48:47 AM »
This is true but, in all fairness, one should compute in the likelihood that technology will improve and the panels will be scrapped or sold on and replaced with better ones.

 New technologies have emerged that overshadow solar panels and windmills. And they work 24/7 .

  On the news page, a self-charging ionistor is looking at you . One of the options is under testing. This microscopically sized cell is made specifically to deplete its energy faster. But I'm not succeeding yet, the energy has been coming all the time for more than half a year.  I can't test it for a million years . :)   :)   :)

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2023, 12:09:13 PM »
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A person has to be careful because there is a lot of fake news and propaganda against renewables.

For example, I have worked in the oil and gas sector and power generation so I know how stuff actually works. A power station running on natural gas is dependent on and includes all the wells drilled, compressor stations, Dehydrators and countless miles of leaking pipe. So an average gas well is running $3 million times 300 wells in a small field times 200 plus miles of gas pipe at $1 million a mile plus all associated infrastructure which could easily be depleted by a small 500 megawatt cogen station in around 20 years or so. The problem is the damage due to the pollution generated by the plant could cost more than the billion dollar plus installation cost not including recycling or reclamation.

Solar has a basic one time cost much lower than fossil fuels and has zero fuel running costs. The only pollution is associated with the production and recycling of the materials used. Solar panels don't need to be replaced after 25 years because the power rating is still at 75%. Solar panels only lose about 1% per year and I would gladly buy everyone's used 25 year old panels at 75% power for 75% less cost, it's a real bargain. Everyone is already buying all the used solar panels and EV battery packs. But obviously nobody is buying the used pipeline rotting in the ground, abandoned wells or rusting worn out power stations. 

So let's stop bullshitting everyone and if we added up all the real costs, 100% recycling and reclamation of all infrastructure/land as well as all environmental damage fossil fuels will always lose. Fossil fuels will not just lose but get there ass kicked and handed there hat by renewables.

AC
Indeed, a lot of jobs will be lost in the death of the fussil fuel industry, and from where I'm sitting, renewable are pretty darn efficient on the labor side. You are giving me a longer life span indication on solar than I understood it to be. Assuming you're right, OU will need to simply be even better for it to beat solar.

Cloxxki

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2023, 12:15:01 PM »
New technologies have emerged that overshadow solar panels and windmills. And they work 24/7 .

  On the news page, a self-charging ionistor is looking at you . One of the options is under testing. This microscopically sized cell is made specifically to deplete its energy faster. But I'm not succeeding yet, the energy has been coming all the time for more than half a year.  I can't test it for a million years . :)   :)   :)
Have you worked on a large scale design, to assess the materials and equipment needed for 1 MW units?
1 MW of solar is around the $1 million mark, at least when new.
If you can envision a 1 MW system at lower cost, the next question is weight. If light enough, and happy to sit next to many other units working at full capacity, you have yourself a jet fuel alternative. A 5 MW or 10 MW system, it doesn't matter if you need a full railcar of space for that, it just shouldn't be too expensive to build, to power the locomotive 24/7.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #156 on: March 21, 2023, 12:51:38 PM »
Have you worked on a large scale design, to assess the materials and equipment needed for 1 MW units?
1 MW of solar is around the $1 million mark, at least when new.
If you can envision a 1 MW system at lower cost, the next question is weight. If light enough, and happy to sit next to many other units working at full capacity, you have yourself a jet fuel alternative. A 5 MW or 10 MW system, it doesn't matter if you need a full railcar of space for that, it just shouldn't be too expensive to build, to power the locomotive 24/7.
  I don't need a 1MW energy source . Right now I'm busy with an AA cell for a wireless mouse. Then I need to make a table lamp in which there are no wires and no charging. And it shines forever.  :)  :)  The simple principle of decentralization, each device has its own source of energy forever ...... very simple, but it's hard for me to force myself to overcome laziness ....    :)   :)   :)   :)   :)
             I like reliability and durability, so I chose graphite and silicon electrodes, electric current is generated and chemical reactions do not occur.  :)  :) .....   oops said too much again .... well, it's okay, I think there will be no more than 2 trillion dollars in damage, this is a trifle for the oil and gas industry ......
            It's better for you and me to have less small talk on technical topics.   :)  :)
             
                         

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #157 on: March 21, 2023, 05:00:27 PM »
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This is true but, in all fairness, one should compute in the likelihood that technology will improve and the panels will be scrapped or sold on and replaced with better ones.

On the solar panel resale end it doesn't matter if the technology improves.

I don't care if someones new panels are 5% more efficient I only care about my own cost per kilowatt. I was thinking on it more and would even pay $0.10 on the dollar for 50% power/50 year old panels. Sure I need twice as much room for panels but like most rural people I have acres of land to do whatever I want. So I have 40 panels instead on 20, so what?, it means little if I'm generating my own power for next to nothing.

For example, https://solarwholesalellc.com/index.php/product/suntech-200w-solar-panels/
The going new rate for solar panels is $1/watt but these used 200 watt panels sell for $65 or $0.32/watt. Let's say there 15 years old or 85% power for near 70% less cost, it's a bargain.

Do you know what I find most surprising?, most people had no idea there even was a solar panel resale market. They just bought into all the bullshit and propaganda without thinking or checking there facts again. I have had countless clueless people tell me "panels just wear out" like tires or there just scrapped after 20 years or cannot be recycled. It's all nonsense...

AC


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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #158 on: March 21, 2023, 09:22:33 PM »
  I don't need a 1MW energy source . Right now I'm busy with an AA cell for a wireless mouse. Then I need to make a table lamp in which there are no wires and no charging. And it shines forever.  :) :)  The simple principle of decentralization, each device has its own source of energy forever ...... very simple, but it's hard for me to force myself to overcome laziness ....    :)   :)   :)   :)   :)
             I like reliability and durability, so I chose graphite and silicon electrodes, electric current is generated and chemical reactions do not occur.  :) :) .....   oops said too much again .... well, it's okay, I think there will be no more than 2 trillion dollars in damage, this is a trifle for the oil and gas industry ......
            It's better for you and me to have less small talk on technical topics.   :) :)
             
                       
Decentralization can be great. Unless we figure out a Tesla coil style thingy where we need what I assume is a smaller receiver than device.

For my big love, moblity, I'd like 20 kW and 50 kW units, to put in modest side and larger personal vehicles. Fix them up to your run of the mill PHEV drivetrain, delete the ICE parts and be happy. 22-23 hours a day, you have a power station to sell energy to the grid, earning more than a median wage.
In the xx MW range, we get to power planes and large ships. 6 MW suffices for a train, some trains will need more.

Can what you have be scaled up in an energy dense manner, you think?

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #159 on: March 22, 2023, 02:27:11 AM »
Decentralization can be great. Unless we figure out a Tesla coil style thingy where we need what I assume is a smaller receiver than device.

For my big love, moblity, I'd like 20 kW and 50 kW units, to put in modest side and larger personal vehicles. Fix them up to your run of the mill PHEV drivetrain, delete the ICE parts and be happy. 22-23 hours a day, you have a power station to sell energy to the grid, earning more than a median wage.
In the xx MW range, we get to power planes and large ships. 6 MW suffices for a train, some trains will need more.

Can what you have be scaled up in an energy dense manner, you think?

Why would you waste your years and money inventing a Tesla Coil. Take a ready-made and working patent US20140252920A1 .
Outstanding scientists have done a lot of research and achieved incredible success .
              No need to thank me. Write me a message on how the construction of your device for 1 Megawatt is progressing.  :)

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #160 on: March 22, 2023, 03:26:36 AM »
The possibilities start getting really interesting, if we factor in what happens when the aluminum frames and silicon cells are manufactured in solar powered facilities.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #161 on: March 22, 2023, 10:15:47 AM »
Why would you waste your years and money inventing a Tesla Coil. Take a ready-made and working patent US20140252920A1 .
Outstanding scientists have done a lot of research and achieved incredible success .
              No need to thank me. Write me a message on how the construction of your device for 1 Megawatt is progressing.  :)
I've been approached by a company that appears to have deployed thousands of units in the multiple MW range, guising as diesel gen set with fixed energy rate. So far no visual confirmation by yours truly, but having been in business as long as they have been (with YouTube video proof of existence, not proof of OU as that's a hush hush thing for them), it's the best thing that I know of. Plenty on here claim to have or have seen OU in action, I'm on the control group of that thus far.
A company that hides their OU genset technology and just sells the energy under market rates, company micro managed by the rightfully paranoid inventor...imagine how hard they might be to deal with even when they as ME for help...then triple it :-D
I'll surely update when I can. They're the opposite of open source though, they're not even claiming OU or that it's a magnet motor. It's kept them small enough to stay under the radar, customers I'm sure are happy to get discounted energy from a more silent if bulky genset. I guess I'll be trying to see whether there is an angle for open sourcing, else I'll do what I can to deploy the technology as wide as possible to at least put countries in the position to sell energy cheaper. Should licenses be given for development of the tech and cross border commerce, healthy competition may well appear, similar to everyday reality for conventional gensets, MGUs, batteries, etc.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #162 on: March 22, 2023, 10:43:46 AM »
The basic (low power) transmitter coils are the ‘desktop’ toy models
ranging to something from 6-inches tall to 2-3ft in height


Power receivers are exactly the same size as wifi transmitter chips
cheaply available from several manufacturers


basically an antenna, and a small LRC for tuning it to the transmitter freq.
(havent set up one of these systems but i think the software handles the technical stuff)


the problem is range: a small tower only reaches a few to tens of yards.


If you want to transmit across a large distance:
You need to add 2 things to the system


First, a high power transmitter: 4ft+ large diameter coils, and a high current primary


Second, the receivers need to be distance-modified, to handle higher power levels closer to the tower.


There are a few large scale ‘Tesla’ wireless power systems in operation, but as far as i know each one was designed custom for the application.


low power systems are manufactured, so we can easily buy and set these up,
If we wanted to do some residential use like wirelessly charge your cell phone without the charger pad
(your cell phone already has a power receiver chip in it)


Any a household Tesla coil can be used to drive these chips when they are both tuned to match

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #163 on: March 22, 2023, 11:12:16 AM »
Plenty on here claim to have or have seen OU in action, I'm on the control group of that thus far.
A company that hides their OU genset technology
Who is plenty.?
What company you talking about?
give name . location , address.
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These questions will likely never be  answered.



Cloxxki you have switched from  Russian propaganda  about
 Donbass genocide late Feb 2022 and "Ukrainian" biolabs and so on  into lies about OU.
This is  not Russian waste container,  you can throw any garbage of yours but forum
where  Russian trolls are not welcomed.
Please stop use of word OU and lies  about  OU , as Overunity doesn't exist  .
There is  FE Free Energy from conversion of energy from one form to the other.
Using word FE is welcomed but than I' will ask you specifics about  its particular form.
Please understand  that nobody wants to kick your butt here till your activity is degenerating
its level.

Explaining  that  black cat is the same as a chicken  as both are mammals
or collecting more comment here doesn't help.
Members with 5000+ comments  were excluded from this forum in the past or moderated.

Again I repeat:
OU - Overunity   doesn't exist ,
OU is  physically impossible and it is  the same nonsense as
Anti-gravity, Ether,  perpetual motion, and so on.
Spreading  these lies doesn't   increase your  income... and in this forum an individual is  at first  being
informed   and than eventually he may  be  moderated.
The reason for my action is that physicists, teachers,  high  level professionals  are not happy  to comment
in the forum  contaminated with lies, any lies not only  Russian lies.
Wesley

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2023, 11:49:40 AM »
Wesley if you don't believe into overunity why are you then here ??
Check out this new generator that pruces 16 x OU !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UG77x4UZDA