Author Topic: Is this the beginning of the end? (Read 24324 times)

alan · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2023, 02:14:56 PM »

interesting vid
https://youtu.be/R1p4UdVwY58

stivep · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2023, 06:03:43 PM »

Quote from: alan on January 21, 2023, 02:14:56 PM

interesting vid
https://youtu.be/R1p4UdVwY58

In any time including Jesus time - the dominating religion used its population to fight
with other religions less present in the region, and provided answers to "everything."
benefiting wealthy, clergy, and governments imposing punishment as "wanted by God."

Today the 21 century science talks to 21 century population by mass media and social platforms.
Everything is verifiable, comparable,and questioned - shaking collapsing finances of struggling churches of all kinds.

The new yet clever way to make money is to support just and only the word -"religion" - as God given .
what God? is not important.. as long as Darwin is condemned..
wow.. so clever...
no need to be a given priest,
no need to be pushed to send money to Vatican,
no dogma, no 10 commandments ..
no need for physical building, parishioners,
no gas, water, or electricity, insurance and property taxes bills
no accusations about sexual molestation of small boys and girls
no limitation by dogmas of given religion -you girls, guys, bisexuals, transgenders, all Sodom and Gomorrah are welcome...
and now:
-ALL that MONEY IS not in some institution but in "my" own personal POCKET.. ALLELUIA ... ALLELUIA ...

So where is a secret, and how to become one?
-Even with muted sound played for only last 5 seconds
this video "says" that what likely everyone from any religion want to hear.
https://youtu.be/R1p4UdVwY58?t=2108
And there is no need to be as good as Biophysicist Cornelius Hunter
In next comment I will explain what is "wrong" or rather how the need of money can manipulate the information to convince you..

_{opinion expressed is entirely my own.}
Wesley

alan · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2023, 06:15:21 PM »

https://evolutionnews.org/2019/01/genetics-and-epigenetics-new-problems-for-darwinism/

onepower · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2023, 06:34:56 PM »

stivep

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You expressed nothing more than the typical postulate of communism.
Equal rights,- to the today and future of these who want to criticize or even punish the wealthy according to their own opinion.

So wanting to hold psychotic oil corporation CEO's to account for lying to the public and share holders about global warming is now communism?. Are you dense?, it's an act of fraud and it's criminal. Whenever any corporation misleads the public and shareholders about possible liability and/or damages this is a crime. It's criminal because the CEO's/corporations off loaded all the costs associated with there pollution, environmental damage, health care related sickness and death to the taxpayers.

However your nonsense is the kind of stupidity the populists and paid shills seem to be peddling. Equating bringing tax dodgers and criminals to justice with socialism/communism. No it's just criminal.

AC

stivep · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2023, 07:07:45 PM »

Quote from: onepower on January 21, 2023, 06:34:56 PM

stivep
So wanting to hold psychotic oil corporation CEO's to account for lying to the public and share holders about global warming is now communism?. Are you dense?,
AC

You are absolutely right in your assumption. There is nothing wrong with that.
More than that - You were right in your first comment too
It just happened that communism used exactly the same mechanism in the past and it collapsed.
My point was to look from the very much never explored position of mammals at human animal who is criticizing
other human animals using exactly the same logic.

#1. if the mammal : user, abuser or killer, cannibal of other mammals, is complaining about other human animals behavior then why didn't he look at himself in the first place.?
In a "human language" it would be:
-rapist has no rights to judge others - the rapists
-prostitute has no rights to judge prostitution unless it is a place like US Nevada where she is legitimized valuable and by that respected member of society.

Because there is no country giving rights to rapists - like US Nevada is giving rights to prostitutes,
than from mammals point of view :if you are not vegan or vegetarian the point #1.applies personally to you/

_{opinion expressed is my own}
Wesley

onepower · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2023, 09:42:33 PM »

stivep

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It just happened that communism used exactly the same mechanism in the past and it collapsed.
My point was to look from the very much never explored position of mammals at human animal who is criticizing
other human animals using exactly the same logic.

#1. if the mammal : user, abuser or killer, cannibal of other mammals, is complaining about other human animals behavior then why didn't he look at himself in the first place.?

This is a weak argument right out of the populist or communist playbook often referred to as gaslighting.

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Lying and distortion are the cornerstones of gaslighting behavior. Even when you know they are not telling the truth, they can be very convincing.
Blame-shifting is another common gaslighting tactic. Every discussion you have is somehow twisted to where you are to blame for something that occurred.

The lying/distortion is attempting to cast big oil corporations doing great harm as the victims and the persons calling them out as being at fault. This aspect of gaslighting is called blame shifting ie. "why didn't he look at himself in the first place". Well, because it wasn't me lying about global warming so I could continue to pollute killing countless people for profit it was the oil companies.

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-rapist has no rights to judge others - the rapists
-prostitute has no rights to judge prostitution unless it is a place like US Nevada where she is legitimized valuable and by that respected member of society.

Nice touch, now your trying to push the pathetic narrative that those criticizing oil corporations could be seen in the same light as rapists. The old "were all guilty" play typical of most paid shills and populists.

So to recap, you seem to think the oil companies lying about global warming which could kill billions for profit are victims. Meanwhile those calling out the lying oil companies harm are the abusers on par with rapists. I can only conclude your either bat shit crazy or on some oil companies payroll.

AC

stivep · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2023, 12:30:58 AM »

Quote from: onepower on January 21, 2023, 09:42:33 PM

This is a weak argument-//-referred to as gaslighting.

You didn't provide assignment criteria other than your intuitiveness
My point was stated, -not to discuss its strength !! or its populism but to respond to it .

Quote from: onepower on January 21, 2023, 09:42:33 PM

// attempting the cast big oil corporations doing great harm as the victims // is called "blame shifting"//

-although verywellmind.com page looks nice. "your" quoted phrase comes from a source that uses wording
- not always accepted by professional medical field familiar to me,
Here is the list of elements associated with gaslighting _{(- applied when mutual understanding is important.)}
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gaslighting#gaslighting-examplesCountering:
Withholding:
Trivializing:
Denial:
Diverting:
Stereotyping:

We have problem with communication and information exchange.:
Some human mammal while eating some pork is yelling at oil and gas mammals thinking that he is their victim or future victim.
Some other human mammal needs heart replacement from pig only to eat some pork some time after that.
From mammal stand point:
-human mammal is user, abuser or killer, cannibal of other mammals, that are innocent victims of Human creature.
These are mathematically countable, physically present real facts having nothing to do with thinking or presuming
How sad is that that some individuals eating some pork see it as manipulation ....gaslighting.
So go and kill some more of them right? what the fricken pleasure you got from that ..hunter ?
Or open up another slaughterhouse!!!!
Did you ask yourself, - who from the mammals has more rights to complain Mr human mammal animal?

_{opinion expressed is my own}
Wesley
Wesley's wife

Dog-One · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2023, 01:19:35 AM »

If this guy is right about things, I wouldn't worry too much about eating anything, it will all be gone and likely soon.

stivep · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2023, 01:44:12 AM »

Quote from: Dog-One on January 22, 2023, 01:19:35 AM

If this guy is right about things, I wouldn't worry too much about eating anything, it will all be gone and likely soon.

"Some" money maker, has better life, than no money maker.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_drought_manipulation_conspiracy_theory
“No worries” ..
Wesley

onepower · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2023, 02:15:55 AM »

stivep

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We have problem with communication and information exchange.:
Some human mammal while eating some pork is yelling at oil and gas mammals thinking that he is their victim or future victim.
Some other human mammal needs heart replacement from pig only to eat some pork some time after that.

My objection isn't so much oil and gas as it's simply a long term version of solar energy. We need this resource for now as we transition to cleaner forms of energy. What I object to is the compulsive lying, manipulation and harm done to others relating to the oil and gas industry.

A better question is why do you and many others get triggered and feel so compelled to defend the oil industry?. Sure I need to fuel up my truck and heat my house but I'm not about to kiss there ass like you are or give them massive tax breaks.

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Did you ask yourself, - who from the mammals has more rights to complain Mr human mammal animal?

Why are you talking like a 6 year old?, are you on drugs or something?.

stivep · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2023, 02:40:23 AM »

Quote from: onepower on January 22, 2023, 02:15:55 AM

stivep
My objection isn't so much oil and gas as it's simply a long term version of solar energy.
We need this resource for now as we transition to cleaner forms of energy.
What I object to is the compulsive lying, manipulation and harm done to others relating to the oil and gas industry.

I agree 100%

Quote from: onepower on January 22, 2023, 02:15:55 AM

A better question is why do you and many others get triggered and feel so compelled to defend the oil industry?.
Sure I need to fuel up my truck and heat my house but I'm not about to kiss there ass like you are or give them massive tax breaks.

No I'm totally against oil and gas and I support clean technologies.

Quote from: onepower on January 22, 2023, 02:15:55 AM

Why are you talking like a 6 year old?, are you on drugs or something?.

Unfortunately other forms of expression simply didn't work :
I don't drink(-few glass of wine per year) I think I was never drunk in my life or was I?... rather not..
I never used or touched or saw drugs !!!!!!!!!!!!!( I saw it in a movie)
Are you on drugs or heavy drinker "onepower?" How many times? how does it feel?
I used to smoke. ~ 3 cigarettes per week but not every week and not for long.( occasionally even 6 in one day)
I'm Vegetarian, my wife is Vegan,

A father with some people similar to you while eating some tasty "young" food is asked a question by 5 years old :
-what wrong this baby cow did, so these people killed her..?
And in Ukraine 5 years old child is asking :
-what wrong this baby sister of mine did, so these Russians killed her.?
And in Tbilisi I asked myself a question:
-what wrong did I do, so these Russians attempted to kill me and Tariel in 2011?

thank you floodrod:

Quote from: floodrod on January 19, 2023, 12:18:34 AM

Congrats! I have guided my household to veganism well over a decade ago.
Just thinking how hypocritical we are.

He understands that, what you seem to have problem with .

Wesley

alan · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2023, 07:16:57 PM »

Quote from: Dog-One on January 22, 2023, 01:19:35 AM

If this guy is right about things, I wouldn't worry too much about eating anything, it will all be gone and likely soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPKPJR1k5Q
https://www.gao.gov/assets/b-100063-096545.pdf
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/14/weather/cloud-seeding-weather-modification-wxn/index.html
I suppose it could be happening that they're dumping conducting material (like alu) in the air to make it conductive and heat it up with RF or HF scalar waves (A-potentials), just like Tesla had ideas for the ionosphere.
Why go vegan? https://www.drmcdougall.com/

stivep · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2023, 09:28:35 PM »

Quote from: alan on January 22, 2023, 07:16:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPKPJR1k5Q

no big deal. Subject to separate discussion on my channel
Just because it is interesting from physics stand point.
At worse you may lose your satellite services , so what? ..
Shooting back to earth by direct energy weapon from space is a science fiction yet.
From time to time you may have some revelation like that:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/politics/us-investigating-mysterious-directed-energy-attack-white-house/index.html
US Special Forces should check electrical bill of houses around White House , but they decided to make mass media happy instead.

You guys likely in your majority don't understand : what is the level of danger of DEW, -,that can start from laughably unimportant but noticeable.. to the press.
DEW - needs time, energy supply and beam concentration .. and physics is not friendly to use of it..that is why Russians didn't use it
in Ukraine yet.

Quote from: alan on January 22, 2023, 07:16:57 PM

https://www.gao.gov/assets/b-100063-096545.pdf

the dreams in 1972 were interesting ... Not much of it, if ever become reality of today.

Quote from: alan on January 22, 2023, 07:16:57 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/14/weather/cloud-seeding-weather-modification-wxn/index.html
I suppose it could be happening that they're dumping conducting material (like alu) in the air to make it conductive and heat it up with RF or HF scalar waves (A-potentials), just like Tesla had ideas for the ionosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
no big deal.

Quote from: alan on January 22, 2023, 07:16:57 PM

Why go vegan? https://www.drmcdougall.com/

Money makers .. don't bother ...

Wesley

alan · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2023, 09:38:44 PM »

Chemtrails were a nutjob conspiracy theory, now it is being admitted and confirmed but considered nothing special.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927569/

McDougall is reliable, you judged it too soon.
This channel is interesting, it's about rf weapons, havana syndrome, pulsed sound weapons and a surveillance grid
https://www.youtube.com/c/LookoutfaCharlie/videos

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

alan · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2023, 09:44:24 PM »

Quote from: stivep on January 18, 2023, 10:31:38 PM

Quite happy human animal , cleans earth from some trash left by other human animals.
- family of this highly educated Christian girl, supported me very much financially since she was a young student,
(almost quarter century younger) and as an adult she is married with me - the Jew.
As the only child of her father ,she wanted me, and as an adult she didn't change her mind.
https://youtu.be/op4GgbE8xWI?t=18

We both respect and obey modern science and history of evolution
All rules are broken right?

_{can you -} _{break your own box (not only break out from your own box) some of you are trapped at, and see what is outside of it?
-so you can't fall back to it as the box is totally destroyed.
can you ?}

Wesley

She's smart , she's seeing and believing that Jesus Christ/Messiah suffered and died for the sin of the world and took it out of the way. Isaiah 53 of the tanakh prophesies about it.

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