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Author Topic: Is this the beginning of the end?  (Read 30634 times)

onepower

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2023, 11:11:58 PM »
There is a more rational explanation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#Demographic_dynamics

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Models of societal response
According to Joseph Tainter (1990), too many scholars offer facile explanations of societal collapse by assuming one or more of the following three models in the face of collapse:

1) The Dinosaur, a large-scale society in which resources are being depleted at an exponential rate, but nothing is done to rectify the problem because the ruling elite are unwilling or unable to adapt to those resources' reduced availability. In this type of society, rulers tend to oppose any solutions that diverge from their present course of action but favor intensification and commit an increasing number of resources to their present plans, projects, and social institutions.

2) The Runaway Train, a society whose continuing function depends on constant growth (cf. Frederick Jackson Turner's Frontier Thesis). This type of society, based almost exclusively on acquisition (such as pillaging or exploitation), cannot be sustained indefinitely. The Assyrian, Roman and Mongol Empires, for example, all fractured and collapsed when no new conquests could be achieved.

3) The House of Cards, a society that has grown to be so large and include so many complex social institutions that it is inherently unstable and prone to collapse. This type of society has been seen with particular frequency among Eastern Bloc and other communist nations, in which all social organizations are arms of the government or ruling party, such that the government must either stifle association wholesale (encouraging dissent and subversion) or exercise less authority than it asserts (undermining its legitimacy in the public eye).

Our present collapse may be due to a combination of events...
1)Natural disasters/climate change due to overpopulation/over consumption and/or pollution.
2)Mass migration from poverty leads to economic depression and internal strife.
3)Disease outbreaks, overpopulation increases contact/mutation and the spread of diseases.
4)Demographic dynamics, 80% of current jobs are being replaced by AI and automation.
More important the older generation is incapable of change and won't allow it which prevents progress. They cling to old and outdated false beliefs, science and technology.

As the story goes, every past civilization falsely believed they were superior and nothing would happen but it always did. The proof is that every civilization to date has failed and the facts speak for themselves.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2023, 11:46:05 PM »

...we all have free will to believe in whatever we want to believe.
Correct.

All the rest is "Bible Bashing" and has no place in this forum.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2023, 12:42:35 AM »
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...we all have free will to believe in whatever we want to believe.

I think Ricky Garvais said it best...
"You have the right to believe in what you want, I have the right to believe it's ridiculous".

To be clear, nobody claimed any person cannot believe what they want however they are not free to believe or judge others without consequences. It begs the question, if a theist is free to promote there beliefs and bash atheists why are atheists not free to criticize them for it?.

It seems a little hypocritical doesn't it and yet we see this all the time. Here's a clue, if you do not want to be criticized stop criticizing others.

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Correct.
All the rest is "Bible Bashing" and has no place in this forum.

By the same token all this atheist bashing has no place either. Do not judge or you to will be judged in the same way by the same measure.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2023, 01:47:10 AM »
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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2023, 01:01:06 PM »
If people cannot cope with survival on earth,
                        then nature will quickly fill the vacated niche with more responsible residents.

      There is some element of calm and harmony in this .....   :)

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2023, 08:31:28 PM »
If people cannot cope with survival on earth,
                        then nature will quickly fill the vacated niche with more responsible residents.

      There is some element of calm and harmony in this .....   :)

Yes.  I also think "survival" is overrated.  There's nothing wrong with new forms of life taking the reigns and trying their hand at living, while the old withers away.  Nature is change.  It will never find absolute balance in its form.  Its balance function is change.  I suspect nature is attempting to find all possibilities and will never settle on any final solution.  Your comfort in all this is that you were born to be uncomfortable.  Get used to it.   ;)

stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2023, 05:16:47 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/12/exxon-climate-change-global-warming-research
Revealed: Exxon made ‘breathtakingly’ accurate climate predictions in 1970s and 80s

It begs the question, what kind of a sadistic monster would continue doing something they know could kill billions of people in the future?. All these oil companies knew damn well global warming was real and they lied to everyone. These clowns may not pay but there grandchildren will.

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Sadistic monster has nothing to do with that.
Prostitution is not limited too .
We all are selling ourselves for money, and the only difference is that we all think we are doing nothing wrong. The prediction - Possibility of crisis,  in the sunny day  doesn't look apocalyptic yet for average worker of oil company,
Sadistic pleasure needs to be satisfying  final expression of power and control over their victims.
And change of climate takes too much of time to get such pleasure.

So till it is not too late, you work for the boss you don't like doing a job you don't like because you don't want to lose the money,
Your boss  doesn't have a much choice too .
Slaughterhouse owner son may hate killing the animals, while his father  might think he's doing nothing wrong,
or even take pleasure from it .

So there is no cure for humanity unless everybody starts to feel effects of global warming.
 intensity of protests around the word is what makes the change - the outcome is not guaranteed!!
But that may come too late.
This is a human animal nature.


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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM »
If that is "the truth", then please provide the proof.
The bible is a book with writing in it. That's all.
//But please don't make out that it is truth without providing the necessary proof.
correct.
Wesley

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2023, 06:54:02 PM »
What proof do you require? They found the Ark just where the scriptures said
This is 21st century.
you have the same organs like other mammals.
you have two eyes like most of the  creatures - not mammals.
you are eating, processing food and removing  it from your body like most of the creatures.
you are likely a mammal cannibal eating other mammals , but often you kill for pleasure (hunters).

but you want to feel special!!!
priests - wants to make money and their living on making you special!!!
In the time of Romans nobody knew how to write and read, there was no paper.
-literacy in Roman Empire was 15%  the-archaeology-of-roman-literature__

Some priest writes on paper based on a story given to him from  father to son
and thousands years later  you take it for granted.

Basic for any religion is:
-fears: the fear of death, the fear of the destructive forces of nature, and fear associated with suffering and the physical demands of life.
-promise  you'll never see. as you must die first
-requirement: to act, the way you were told to act
-punishment: if you disobey what you were told (by religion) you going to be punished.
 rejected, by other believers. Some countries will kill you or cut parts of your body for disobeying religion.
 and of course when you will become entitled to benefits you are promised too you must be already dead,
So other still alive believers,  will not ask you to testify if it's true or not
Funny  thing is that if you have never heard about this particular religion  you not going to be punished and you'll get all benefits
as if you were the best believer -according to most of  rabbi  “Friar,” “monks,” “priests” However the  “imam khatib.” may say that
you are already guilty despite of you not knowing... -  but that is likely characteristic  to some forms of Islam.

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I was writing that to you guys before but nobody ever responded.



Especially to:
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you are likely a mammal cannibal eating other mammals , but often you kill for pleasure (hunters) watching at dying animals in pain and blood

and:
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You don't have to eat meat to survive or have pleasurable life. But you prefer to kill and eat
Other mammals  it means such as  yourself.

and yet:
what kind of a sadistic monster  could kill billions
sounds like a words of sadistic monster who was asking all around
-is there any sadistic monster out there apart from me?
Oh dear


And now you think you deserve better?
a poor human animal mammal making a religion
to feel even more discomfort in life
You are using all of civilization tools, including your toilet and computer but don't believe in science that gives it to you.
and science says: YOU ARE ANIMALS
and nothing more than that.
- instead  you like to believe i some  religions till it its a time to go to the doctor who may  tell you to replace
your heart   with one that comes  from pig.
so after that you can return  home and eat some pork while praying to your god.


It sounds like some  Sado maso.
isn't it?

opinion expressed is my own

Wesley

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2023, 07:29:03 PM »
 Does anyone of you  have Gods to respond to my post from above  scientifically?
 Any one?
Wesley
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stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2023, 10:31:38 PM »
Does anyone of you  have Gods to respond to my post from above  scientifically?
 Any one?

Unfortunately..
This is who you are.
This is your  animal nature.

And than some of you complain:
-why I didn't give you working FE...?
For what?
So you can kill more?
And  overpopulate this planet  making all damage possible?

by the way:
I'm vegetarian and my wife is Vegan
With all of that  food  I eat  pretty tasty and with pleasure.
It is more expensive, ...so what?
You want FE ? - convince me that I'm wrong or make it by yourself
 it is doable, no god is needed for that. You have two sections in this forum describing it.
And it is 100% in agreement with  modern physics - no miracles


Quite happy human animal , cleans earth from some trash left by other human animals.
- family  of this highly educated Christian girl, supported me very much financially since she was a  young student,
 (almost quarter century younger) and as an adult she is married with me - the  Jew.
 As the only child  of her father ,she wanted me, and as an adult she didn't change her mind.
https://youtu.be/op4GgbE8xWI?t=18

We both respect and obey modern science and history of evolution
All rules are broken right?


can you - break your own box (not only  break out from your own box) some of you are trapped at, and see what is outside of it?
-so you can't fall back to it as  the box is totally destroyed.
can you ?



Wesley
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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2023, 12:18:34 AM »
by the way:
I'm vegetarian and my wife is Vegan

Congrats!  I have guided my household to veganism well over a decade ago. Not one morsel of animal product or suffering has or will enter my body on purpose till death.  I deleted my last comment because I know it is unpopular..

As humans, we have been assigned "Stewardship" over the weaker species on our planet as our test.  Will we show compassion and help the weaker species, or use them for our own advantage and fulfill our lusts?  Do we act as "Good Stewards" or do we act as we are above them, therefore entitled to take their lives and eat their flesh?

Truly, the measuring stick you will be judged with is nothing more than how you treat the weaker species you were given domination over.

It sickens me hearing about Global Warming and our Earth-Killing activities while BILLIONS of innocent animal deaths stem from the hand or wallets of men. There will NEVER be peace on Earth until we treat the innocent with compassion.

Just thinking how hypocritical we are.  Many men BEG for mercy from the one more powerful than us, as we DENY mercy to the wailing cow who we impregnated with a metal shaft, stole her baby to make veal, strap her to milking machines, then finally process her corpse to be eaten once she is no longer profitable.

But as long as we believe innocent sacrifice forgives sin, we get wisped straight to heaven~  YAY.... 

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2023, 08:26:33 PM »
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Sadistic monster has nothing to do with that.
Prostitution is not limited too .
We all are selling ourselves for money, and the only difference is that we all think we are doing nothing wrong. The prediction - Possibility of crisis,  in the sunny day  doesn't look apocalyptic yet for average worker of oil company,

I wasn't implying all people or the average oil company worker is a monster. I claimed the people running these big oil companies who knew the pollution from there products could kill billions of other people due to global warming are monsters. It's simply mass genocide by another name, to basically eradicate people of less means in the name of power and profit.

Your "we are all selling ourselves for money" argument is also absurd implying an average person just trying to get by is the same as a billionaire CEO involved in mass genocide for profit. This is simply more of the twisted populist bandwagon fallacy and gaslighting the real victims. Your argument is the worst kind of delusion because your basically trying to argue those in power who committed mass genocide were the victim and the people they slaughtered asked for it.

I understand this relates to human nature I'm just saying if these leaders, wealthy people and CEO's want to act like a sadistic monster we should treat them as such. Many of these people tend to think and act on the same level as any other psychotic murderer or serial rapist so we should treat them as such. Not a big deal, most people judge others all the time.

AC

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2023, 04:46:00 PM »
Response related to:
: Any one  have Gods  to respond to it?
 :)
from:
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stivep

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2023, 05:50:26 PM »

I wasn't implying all people or the average oil company worker is a monster.
I claimed the people running these big oil companies// are monsters.
It's simply mass genocide by another name, to basically eradicate people of less means in the name of power and profit.

Your "we are all selling ourselves for money" argument is also absurd implying an average person just trying to get by is the same as a billionaire CEO involved in mass genocide for profit. This is simply more of the twisted populist bandwagon fallacy and gaslighting the real victims. Your argument is the worst kind of delusion because your basically trying to argue those in power who committed mass genocide were the victim and the people they slaughtered asked for it.

I understand this relates to human nature I'm just saying if these leaders, wealthy people and CEO's want to act like a sadistic monster we should treat them as such. Many of these people tend to think and act on the same level as any other psychotic murderer or serial rapist so we should treat them as such. Not a big deal, most people judge others all the time.
AC

Thank you very much for your response "onepower"

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Opinion from the position of you the human animal and mammal:
Wealthy in business prefer to make more money while they are carelessly worsening well-being and future of - the not wealthy whose   
comfort of life is often suffering " long time misfortune" disproportion, or poverty, and may eventually cause entire humanity  have no more choice in the future.
That is why,  we should act now before is to late  for people like you, and personally you.

You expressed nothing more than the typical postulate of communism.

 Equal rights,- to the today and future of  these who want to criticize or even punish the wealthy according to  their own opinion.
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Quote from: onepower on January 19, 2023, 08:26:33 PM Not a big deal, most people judge others all the time.
right?
The problem is that communism never worked out, collapsed and died, along with many communists who allowed some of them :
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Quote from: onepower on January 19, 2023, 08:26:33 PM to think and act on the same level
as any other psychotic murderer or serial rapist so we should treat them as such.
Stalin, Beria, Hitler, or today's  dictators.

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Opinion from the position of an animal and mammal:

We the mammals are victims of  a human mammal who keeps us for his pleasure as pets or in Zoo.
He is often giving us  inhuman conditions while performing  acts of cannibalism killing and eating  us even if this human animal is mammal too.
He doesn't have to eat meat  but he likes taste of our flesh and blood.
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Quote from: onepower on January 19, 2023, 08:26:33 PM thinking and acting on the same level as any other
psychotic murderer or serial rapist so we should treat them as such.
Human animal the hunter is taking pleasure of watching us the  other mammals dying in blood and pain.
and he doesn't even need to eat us,  he want  to see us dying and he calls it a  sport.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Human Animal is even killing their own in wars for land he took from us - We where there first  when he was only Homo Erectus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus
Human Animal is killing their own for disobeying his own regulations that are not unified and conflicting in between  globally.

Human animal - The horrible creature causing our own  end  along with his too due to damage he has done to the planet earth.
Free Energy that may cause overpopulation of these creatures will affect all living organisms on the planet earth very soon .


Any one  have Gods  to respond to it?
O yes ...  Human animal  the mammal has all organs we have, procreates exactly the same,
Hi There... How are  Ya  God...
How clever... God....??
The God  creator cares  about them too.
Why did you God create us the other mammals and rest of the creatures , and living organisms
a? .. hm?   :-\
For what?
For these sadistic creatures - mammals calling themselves the humans?

 :) ?
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