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Offline floodrod

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2023, 01:51:34 AM »
AWESOME!

So I tried the circuit in 2 ways and it runs just as predicted.  I got some preliminary readings and they look GREAT!

Obviously a load is needed on the DC side of the FWBR to complete the circuit. A capacitor alone as a load will not run.  But it runs fine with a resistor and a cap as a load.  Current was too jumpy to get efficiency readings.

Pay attention to schematic #2...  Use a DC Boost converter as a load..  Bring the boosted line to the source positive.  And I like what I see..

My source is using 17 volts at .9 amps..  Now the boosted wire has much higher voltage than the source + terminal..  And is sending 1.3 Amps back to the source!

Plus I got 3.6 Amps @ 16V flowing through the choke which is emitting a strong magnetic field I can feel with a ceramic magnet  18" away from the transformer core.

I am not saying This is Overunity like this..  The system is still taking 16 or 17 watts to run..  But I am pretty sure this is redirecting the Back-EMF to flow in the same direction as the forward Current. And it is giving me a leg that has Higher Voltage and More Amperage than the source..  Once I start tapping it for power things are going to change for sure..

I will post a video soon.  I need to organize this and get more data first.

EDIT-  If you don't understand how the circuit flows or works- I did a video going over the schematic here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0XvYbj2b6c


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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #76 on: January 24, 2023, 04:17:16 PM »
For readers who do not understand how a choke produces back EMF. Not fly back, but back EMF exactly the same as a rotor.

Visualize on the image attached. Coil pulses south to the top. Iron core turns north at the bottom. Flux is directed to top of core.

Almost immediately when coil turns South at top, core is projecting north exact same as a rotor.

A choke can be viewed as a rotor running at almost 100% efficiency where the back EMF is neutralizing nearly all the the flux produced by the input.

This is why a transformer with its secondary disconnected will pull no amperage even though we have a direct short.  The back EMF creates extreme impedance which blocks input current from getting to the choke.

To be able to harness and separate this, the driving frequency must be lower than the choke is designed for so amperage can still be pushed through the coil to create back EMF.

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2023, 03:12:43 AM »
This demonstration should be the nail in the coffin that Back-EMF of a coil can be introduced into the circuit from outside the circuit.  And we can send both the driving power + the back EMF in the same direction through a load..

We can send 20 volts  from a capacitor -->  through a choke and diode  and the capacitor settles at Negative 5 Volts!!!!

Meaning we can send out 20V to balance the Cap  PLUS an additional 5 Volts of Back EMF from outside sources through a load.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnB4cXrdM4

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2023, 02:45:35 PM »
You need to understand how an LC circuit works. 
The current will simply oscillate back and forth until the resistance absorbs all the energy.

Attached are scope shots of the circuit with and without a diode.

You are correct in a standard tank circuit with no diode.  But the diode prevents oscillations.
You are also correct that if you disconnected a tank circuit exactly after the first impulse before it can rebound back- you will get the same effect.

The diode does exactly that..  It stops the cycle so it can not oscillate back.  Now we can measure!  It sent the full 20V to the negative side to zero out, PLUS it picked up another 5V in BEMF that it also sent to the negative side.  Causing the cap to now be at -5V.

Please study the other image attached. Especially figure 3 and 4.  The exact dynamics can be seen and understood from those tests.  It clearly shows where those extra 5V are coming from.

Note- The cap with the yellow star is the source filled with 20V. All others are empty.  The values recorded is what each cap has in it after the circuits settle.



« Last Edit: February 04, 2023, 05:20:13 PM by floodrod »

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2023, 02:23:10 AM »
Please watch this. I made the experiment as simple as I could do demonstrate the effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgolS20Y1JY

15V source to cap.   =  Cap catches 14.9 Volts

15V source through diode and choke = Cap catches 17+ Volts


Proving it is not a capacitor-source anomaly.

Still not claiming "proof of OU"...

Next test coming soon...  Will use no caps..  Power supply to 12V battery, pulse charge through choke and diode.  I need to verify I can charge a 12V battery with less than a 12V source.

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2023, 12:07:20 AM »
floodrod

If you want to raise the voltage level in your cap example, use a slightly smaller cap. A smaller cap presents a higher resistance. When the BEMF occurs and is blocked by the diode, your choke (self inductance) will raise the voltage level between the choke and diode to whatever is needed for the BEMF to collapse and discharge. Just make sure the diode can handle it. A higher inductance low ohm choke will also increase the amount of BEMF.

Just some food for thought.

Edit: The choke, or self inductance as Tesla always called them, is the producer of the extra charges. To produce extra energy you have to bring extra charges into the circuit and accelerate them with higher voltage. This is what you are already doing.
 

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2023, 03:31:25 AM »
floodrod

If you want to raise the voltage level in your cap example, use a slightly smaller cap. A smaller cap presents a higher resistance. When the BEMF occurs and is blocked by the diode, your choke (self inductance) will raise the voltage level between the choke and diode to whatever is needed for the BEMF to collapse and discharge. Just make sure the diode can handle it. A higher inductance low ohm choke will also increase the amount of BEMF.

Just some food for thought.

Edit: The choke, or self inductance as Tesla always called them, is the producer of the extra charges. To produce extra energy you have to bring extra charges into the circuit and accelerate them with higher voltage. This is what you are already doing.

Thank you Cadman. 

I despise catching in caps. lol..  Soooo Lossy..  I am about to say something people will again disagree with, but so be it.

If a Cap is Charged to 2 Volts and we are sending in 20 Volts, we are wasting 18 Volts X Amperage for that time the cap was at 2 Volts.
If a Cap is Charged to 5 Volts and we are sending in 20 Volts, we are wasting 15 Volts X Amperage for that time the cap was at 5 Volts.
If a Cap is Charged to 10 Volts and we are sending in 20 Volts, we are wasting 10 Volts X Amperage for that time the cap was at 10 Volts.
If a Cap is Charged to 19 Volts and we are sending in 20 Volts, we are wasting 1 Volt X Amperage for that time the cap was at 19 Volts.

Since BEMF in my choke motor can easily be balanced to incoming voltage, it makes sense in my mind to redirect the BEMF back into the motor itself so we make the most use of it with little to no waste..  But then comes the crappy realization..  What better place to store it than the source battery itself?  The BEMF is already at the perfect potential to return to the battery.  And if that's the case, was there a point in separating it in the first place?

I should look more seriously into running a generator pickup coils through a choke to create back-EMF and examine the ramifications



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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2023, 07:27:02 AM »

Hello
There is. You have to search for Ismail Aviso. He has a car with OU with BEMF.
Greetings Lota

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2023, 12:05:05 PM »
floodrod,

I hate using caps too. They are good for measurements though.

I’ve had a half baked idea percolating in the back of my mind for a while. Don’t know if it would work or not.

Tesla used “a relatively large self inductance” at the source in some of his DC circuits, sometimes on both the positive and negative legs. Other than expense, why not?
They can store electrical energy. They will release it at high voltage and current.

Sounds like a battery to me. One that doesn’t rely on slow chemical reactions to charge and can be charged and discharged at the same time.


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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2023, 01:23:07 PM »
floodrod,

Tesla used “a relatively large self inductance” at the source in some of his DC circuits, sometimes on both the positive and negative legs. Other than expense, why not?
They can store electrical energy. They will release it at high voltage and current.


He certainly does speak about "Self Inductance" often.  I have a big book of his patents and notes which I rifle through often. 

This may sound confusing, but  there may be 2-3X more available that we probably can not tap.  The BEMF potential is roughly the same as the source when measuring BEMF to HOT terminal. 

So battery Hot to Battery Neg = 12V
BEMF Collecting leg to Battery HOT = >12V
BEMF Collecting leg to Batt Neg= >24V

But collecting BEMF to NEG Batt leg brings along it's own set of problems and obstacles.  Most obvious being that all current collection from BEMF sends that same amount of current to the negative terminal, thus draining the source battery quicker.  Is the trade-off worth it?  Maybe...  Depends on the increased potential we collected.


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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2023, 01:42:34 PM »
Hello
There is. You have to search for Ismail Aviso. He has a car with OU with BEMF.
Greetings Lota

Thank You...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smoI8ceBDs

It is interesting...  Got to go to work, but will check into it more later

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2023, 10:49:47 AM »
Thank you very much for sharing. I tested with the Joule Thief circuit and was surprised. I gave an input of 1.5 volts and the amount stored in the capacitor was charged up to 100 volts!

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2023, 05:31:13 PM »
Thank you very much for sharing. I tested with the Joule Thief circuit and was surprised. I gave an input of 1.5 volts and the amount stored in the capacitor was charged up to 100 volts!

Nice.  Can you post the circuit?  I like to save schematics in a folder for reference later. 

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2023, 06:15:31 PM »
Nice.  Can you post the circuit?  I like to save schematics in a folder for reference later.
sure.

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Re: Self Induction Circuit Project- Working with No Hot Wire....
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2023, 06:49:04 PM »
sure.

Thanks..  Joule thief--> hot output leg through diode and inductor to catch device.

Small input to self-oscillating voltage booster. Send the higher pulsing voltage through an inductor to create Back-EMF. Use diode to stop back-emf from oscillating back into circuit, and force it to the catch cap.

Possible to compare efficiency with and without inductor / diode?  Does Cap fills higher but take longer?

Good experiment.