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Author Topic: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations  (Read 8524 times)

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2022, 06:41:23 PM »
The propagation of ANY Magnetic Field Force, whether generated by a PM or EM, is completely longitudinal in essence, it is more directly accurate than a LASER Beam pointer.

It has been a completely nonsense, -up to now- the teachings that Flux or the B-Field "only" merge outwards, from the North to be entering the South end of any Magnetic Field!!


All Magnetic Fields propagation of their Vector of Force, merge exactly from the very gravitational center of the field, towards each extreme end outwards, or so called "poles", and this forces expand into Space, and are -both- identical in length and amplitude.


All this could be measured with a very simple tool...a CRT with a Centered Horizontal Rastering Line.


CRT REVEALING MAGNETIC FIELD VORTEXES


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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2022, 07:15:50 PM »

@ Alan: Nope, it does not answers my question, at least "not in full"...
But there is more to this...and here below, is the description taken from Thomas Minderle article, originally posted by member Feb2006, which clearly defines it:
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Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment. It arises from the curl in magnetic vector potential. Its units are Webers/meter2 . Whenever there is vorticity in the magnetic vector potential, a magnetic field exists pointing along the axis of that rotation.

And in a very simple way IN ESSENCE: "The CURL in Magnetic Vector Potential"...which resumes in..."VORTICITY in the Magnetic Vector Potential"

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Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment.

really?
are you sure?

Well Well Well .........Houston we have a problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_we_have_a_problem

Magnetic field is:
a vector field that describes the magnetic influence on moving electric charges, electric currents, .
A moving charge in a magnetic field experiences a force perpendicular to its own velocity !!!
Because the force is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, a pure magnetic field will not accelerate a charged particle
the charged mass particle will not be accelerated!!!! 
however will produce circular or helical motion
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E

Also: The charged particle’s speed is unaffected by the magnetic field.
The magnetic field has no effect on speed since it exerts a force perpendicular to the motion.
Motion of a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field

Speed,     Velocity,  and   Acceleration
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E
is scalar   is vector        is  vector

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So how particle accelerator works than? :
Particle accelerators use electric fields to speed up and increase the energy of a beam of particles,
which are steered and focused by magnetic fields.
The particle source provides the particles, such as protons or electrons, that are to be accelerated.
so particle  = mass e.g proton mass.
and magnetic field since it is perpendicular  acts
like if in analogy:
someone was pushing,  squeezing you to the ground while you  are trying to move 
- you are being positioned.
Magnetic field also is used for positioning and steering but not for acceleration or speeding up,

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2022, 08:03:55 PM »
Magnetic field is:
a vector field that describes the magnetic influence on moving electric charges, electric currents,
.
A moving charge in a magnetic field experiences a force perpendicular to its own velocity !!!
Because the force is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, a pure magnetic field will not accelerate a charged particle
the charged mass particle will not be accelerated!!!! 
however will produce circular or helical motion
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E

Also: The charged particle’s speed is unaffected by the magnetic field.
The magnetic field has no effect on speed since it exerts a force perpendicular to the motion.
Motion of a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field

Speed,     Velocity,  and   Acceleration
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E
is scalar   is vector        is  vector

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All above concept (or sort of "Theory") is TOTALLY thrown out, by a simple, small, Permanent Magnet...which does NOT have any electrical charges, nor electric currents...it is just...A Magnetic Field, NOT generated by anything, but  being there, existing...so, now what?

Besides, on my post It reads very clearly a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"...so, please, do not put words I did not mentioned.

So how particle accelerator works than? :
Particle accelerators use electric fields to speed up and increase the energy of a beam of particles,
which are steered and focused by magnetic fields.
The particle source provides the particles, such as protons or electrons, that are to be accelerated.
so particle  = mass e.g proton mass.
and magnetic field since it is perpendicular  acts
like if in analogy:
someone was pushing,  squeezing you to the ground while you  are trying to move 
- you are being positioned.
Magnetic field also is used for positioning and steering but not for acceleration or speeding up,

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NEGATIVE!!!

A Particle Accelerator could work with BOTH, Electric and/or Magnetic Fields...NOT only Electric Fields!!

A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.

Ufopolitics

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2022, 08:14:03 PM »
A simple statement:

If Magnetic Fields would not accelerate mass...then all magnetic (PM and Electromagnetic) motors should not work...right?

However, THEY ALL DO!!


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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2022, 08:17:33 PM »
The magnetic field of a permanent magnet is also created by current, the spin of the electrons of the hard magnetic material constitutes the current.

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2022, 09:06:12 PM »
All above concept (or sort of "Theory") is TOTALLY thrown out, by a simple, small, Permanent Magnet...which does NOT have any electrical charges, nor electric currents...it is just...A Magnetic Field, NOT generated by anything, but  being there, existing...so, now what?
Besides, on my post It reads very clearly a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"...so, please, do not put words I did not mentioned.
A Particle Accelerator could work with BOTH, Electric and/or Magnetic Fields...NOT only Electric Fields!!
A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.


A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.
it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!!
magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't change the speed of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)

Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment.
originally that quote was taken by you from Thomas Minderle "revelation"  :)

answer:
the word its states that you are talking about
accelerated matter by its magnetic field.
and your matter is not specified.
by that my answer was:
For a particular atom, the net magnetic dipole moment
is the vector sum of the magnetic dipole
moments.
So let us take a sample.
A handful of matter has approximately  1026 atoms and ions, each with its magnetic dipole moment If no external magnetic field is present, the magnetic dipoles are randomly oriented—as
many are pointed up as down, as many are pointed east as west, and so on.
Consequently, the net magnetic dipole moment of the sample is zero.so my answer was responding to the exact phrase in question!!!

Overall particles have no magnetic moment in the absence of magnetic field (Ha).
 There is a blocking temperature (TB) below which the system behaves as ferromagnetic and above which the system behaves superparamagnetic.
magnetic-moment
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a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"

Answer:
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A magnetic field is a vector field in the neighborhood of a magnet, electric current, or changing electric field in which magnetic forces are observable. A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic magnetic moments of elementary particles …
A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic magnetic moments of elementary particles
So it is specifically said that there is not either/or.  it is the presence of two factors at the same very time:
- moving electric charges
- magnetic moments of elementary particles
https://byjus.com/physics/magnetic-field/

That applies to permanent magnets as well were moving charge is electron in the cloud.
Or by old and outdated planetary Bohr Atom  - electron pair in the orbit.
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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2022, 10:52:09 PM »
The magnetic field of a permanent magnet is also created by current, the spin of the electrons of the hard magnetic material constitutes the current.
So, the Magnetic Field of our Planet Earth...was also because someone wrapped the entire globe with wires and ran some huge currents?... ;D

Or Magnetite, which is a naturally magnetized material...was also electrified in ancient times...?

A Permanent Magnet is created by applying currents for a very short time, and only once on its lifetime...and after that process ends... what keeps it magnetized permanently?

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2022, 11:01:24 PM »
Particle Accelerator: A particle accelerator is a machine that uses electromagnetic fields to propel charged particles to very high speeds and energies, and to contain them in well-defined beams.[1]

A Cathode Ray Tube TV, generates and concentrates electrons by thermionics (e.g: heat resistor Filament at a CRT TV)...and uses two coils to deflect PLUS Accelerate electrons in Horizontal and Vertical axis.
A Rastering of the beam thanks to the high frequency that magnetic field drives beam, generates an image on the phosphoric screen.
A small HV Coil Positive end is used at front of tube to attract (direct) electrons to screen by a metal frame around glass. However, this positive end of the Electric Field is driven at a Constant Voltage, so, no acceleration is done by this electric field.

End of this conversation from my end.

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2022, 11:35:45 PM »
So, the Magnetic Field of our Planet Earth...was also because someone wrapped the entire globe with wires and ran some huge currents?... ;D

Or Magnetite, which is a naturally magnetized material...was also electrified in ancient times...?

A Permanent Magnet is created by applying currents for a very short time, and only once on its lifetime...and after that process ends... what keeps it magnetized permanently?

Ufopolitics
I found this
Scientists know that today the Earth’s magnetic field is powered by the solidification of the planet’s liquid iron core. The cooling and crystallization of the core stirs up the surrounding liquid iron, creating powerful electric currents that generate a magnetic field stretching far out into space. This magnetic field is known as the geodynamo.
https://news.mit.edu/2020/origins-earth-magnetic-field-mystery-0408

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2022, 11:55:02 PM »

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2022, 12:31:23 AM »
it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!!
magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't change the speed of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)

Wesley
"A deflection yoke is a kind of magnetic lens, used in cathode ray tubes to scan the electron beam both vertically and horizontally over the whole screen.
In a CRT"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_yoke
"In physics, deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_(physics)

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2022, 02:33:21 AM »
"In physics, deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity"
In physics, deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity, hence its trajectory,
-so we are talking about : a change of the angle of the vector of velocity !!!!!!!!!!! Vector only!! in CRT
velocity is vector quantity (- not scalar)!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E
By that this statement is supporting my explanation  per say !!
some example:the-angle-which-the-velocity-vector-of-a-projectilethrown
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Dealing with  some pseudoscientific trash. :
Although I was ask, not to be sarcastic, 
- entire topic is about a guy making money by fooling around
with people's expectations and hopes.
I don't see any positive outcome of such activity.
Responding to  it didn't give me any pleasure or satisfaction.

However it is everybody's right to be "superstitious," irrational, unreasonable, or reverse back-and-forth - who cares.

Note: opinion expressed is my own, according to the Constitution of United States.
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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2022, 11:30:35 AM »
"it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!![/size]magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't change the speed[/size] of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)[/size]Wesley"


NOT SPEED    ACCELERATION[/size]
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Question




Can a charged particle be accelerated by a magnetic field.Can its speed be increased?



Solution




The magnetic field accelerates the charged particle by changing the direction of velocity. The magnetic field doesn't change the speed of the charged particle.




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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2022, 12:15:30 PM »


Overall particles have no magnetic moment in the absence of magnetic field (Ha).
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 A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic magnetic moments of elementary particles

Wesley


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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2022, 03:09:23 PM »
1.  https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/diamagnetic-material

2.  a spin magnetic moment, independent of the presence (or, indeed, absence) of a (net) electric charge in given application.
     Magnetic moment of uncharged particles
     selected charge appears to be mandatory and primary where the magnetic moment is the effect achieved, – resulting effect

3.  magnetic moment is explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment

as an analogy let's take:
– two lesbians–
-  two gays
- two straight individuals ( male    of traditional  orientation)
- two straight individuals ( female of traditional  orientation)
all of them have their own orientation but when mixed their orientation doesn't affect (much)
orientation of others so they remains in their own personal domains.
The strong external force like recent Russian government suppression of LGBT, makes them align
by force as long as that particular Russian form of banditism is in power.
When in 1990 Soviet union collapsed all individual domains took their own direction independently.
what-countries-made-up-the-former-soviet-union-


let's apply the mechanism of analogy from above:

In the ferromagnetic material magnetic domains are randomly oriented.
Only presence of strong external magnetic field makes them aligned.
However this external magnetic field doesn't show up there instantly from nowhere and nothing.
It has to be moved into perimeter/boundary of ferromagnetic material.
so this  move  / movement / (means - motion) comes from external  energy moving that magnet

analogy: if Russian Terrorists didn't move to Ukraine  there will be no alignment of EU/ US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand domains
so they are now unhappy but  aligned  as  united opposing force


Axiom:
moving magnet creates electric current in the conductor.
But it must be moving!!! at first.

From classical electrodynamics, a rotating distribution of electric charge produces a magnetic dipole,
so that it behaves like a tiny bar magnet.
One consequence is that an external magnetic field exerts a torque on the electron
magnetic moment that depends on the orientation of this dipole with respect to the field.
Electron magnetic moment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_moment

Note: opinion expressed is my own, according to the Constitution of United States.
Wesley