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Dog-One

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2022, 12:05:50 AM »
I remember the days when Wesley was a special guest on Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and we would all pile-in the chat where Mark-E and TinselKoala would hammer ol' Wesley's latest crazy idea.  Good times.  I miss the old Wesley--wild hair and contorted smile.  He must have found a new love.   ;)

stivep

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2022, 02:31:19 PM »
I remember the days when Wesley was a special guest on Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and we would all pile-in the chat where Mark-E and TinselKoala would hammer ol' Wesley's latest crazy idea.  Good times.  I miss the old Wesley--wild hair and contorted smile.  He must have found a new love.   ;)
Thank you for your comment.
You were much younger than I assume  :)
TinselKoala very good counterpart where is he now?
https://www.youtube.com/@TinselKoala/videos

about me:
About two years ago, I was still quite loudly promoting
Dr. James Corum, in my own energy extraction from Schumann waveguide.
The tests were positive, the results were present, I wanted to share with humanity
how to do it, how to make it.

So what happened then?
1.Suddenly Dr. James Corum went to denial. Viziv the  Corum  brothers entity filed for bankruptcy.
The pressure was too high I assume because the technology works .I did check it by myself.
-Unless James and his brother Kenneth were not technologically yet where I and my partner are today.
 but DOE, military, and others were/are quite interested and involved, including oil and gas sharks.
 Dr. James Corum had enough money to file 200+ patents, so I couldn't patent anything, he was first.
 I could've patent the energy extraction from Schumann waveguide, but I wrote too much about it
 prior to thinking about patenting. I lost that opportunity.
 
1a. Kapanadze died in 2021 very end of the year.

2. I was sprayed with a virus , quickly transported to hospital but I survived.( It was before the Pandemic)
    Passing by individual quickly turned into me  and sprayed me from the bottle 3cm from my face, and start to run.
    before I cleaned my eyes it was to late. I didn't want my wife to panic and to explain to her,  what happened then.
    Some Russians were trying to eliminate me again I assume.
    For a pacifist  applying  for a license for the gun fallowing rules,  just because of possibly of some Russian FSB (Bashirov and Pietrov)
    is a quite discomfort. - but life is a life, isn't  it?

3. starting from~ three years ago I wanted to invest one more time $3000 into new and better computer
    that would handle with no problem DavinciResolve , Blender and so on .. I still had
    EVA1, ATEM MiniExtreme ISO,DaVinci Resolve Mini Panel,  The DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard full sized,
    BMPCC6KPRO, Blackmagic Video Assist 12G HDR and three times more, making that particular section of the lab, a very much professional studio,
    making videos explaining what it is and how it works.
   

   
4. only few guys, decided to go deep into it. The rest of the audience was made out of:
a- waiting for more attractive material, convincing them, that if they don't act now somebody else will and they will become
    a losers of the opportunity that is coming up just now.
b-
opportunists, uneducated, inexperienced, not even much interested but curious.

5. Worry about the future, and the consequences of the technology, 

    and help of academic mathematicians who were based on  construct involving this particular advanced energy technology,
    calculating probability of overpopulation starting just ~18 years from now
    shortage of food supply starting at ~37 years from now.

6. My own life insurance.
   
You wouldn't think I'm still here if I do talk much, much more or too much.
     
However  I may if... Yes even after my own death too.

Conclusion:

You don't have  Kapanadze and so on. Schematics  don't work.
 because it is not important how many transistors or discrete elements
 is there and what they do.

The only what is important and counts is:
– where the energy comes from
– what is the mechanism of energy conversion and energy extraction
– if energy is for free (like solar energy)  the efficiency, energy density,
   and your gain it is not important– you still got more than zero and it is for free.
 
 It is very very easy, 
 For everyone of you to be at the point of me,or my partner
 is just to read what we wrote, they wrote, ..... and experiment, (99% of the technology is there.) 
 the exact dimensions the number of winds, the entire structure, the testing ground and technique,
 the methods of testing, the tools use in testing, the physical and theoretical basis,
 and surprisingly there was no critics, nobody was opposing with content and supporting evidence.
- everything is in my videos, and the two sections in this forum handled by me.
  Even step-by-step instruction is there,(in Russian and in English) although not finished .
 
But then it will be you not me who is involved,
 with all of the consequences of it.
 
So the whole point for me is -  that it was not me!!!!
I didn't do it!!!
I'm ... - nothing to be blamed for!!!
It is you - all of it is  your fault.
I'm just a man  involved in science  of energy and not much more .
I'm innocent ... ( well... sort of)

Wesley
« Last Edit: December 04, 2022, 04:33:51 PM by stivep »

ramset

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2022, 08:37:44 PM »
http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf


https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism
So I have asked a few more opinions ( still awaiting input from some) ,Seems more here to talk about ( directly related to paper above)
 Working towards experimental suggestions !


Will probably start a dedicated topic if that transpires!


Respectfully
Chet K



stivep

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2022, 02:09:05 AM »
So I have asked a few more opinions // ( directly related to paper above)
 Working towards experimental suggestions !
Respectfully
Chet K
Chet I'm responding only because you asked for it.
the guy is very intelligent manipulator. While pointing at spirituality
and church and believers like an eye opener, he is pushing them more deep
intro to confusion of non-verifiable, nonexistent, but believed to be.

"home" section of the second article:
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proclaimed by the church and state.
Most of mankind lives in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality
what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality,
simulacrum,  means "likeness, semblance") is a –representationor imitation of a person or thing.
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single field called the scalar superpotential.
called by whom?
some single individual from Florida- in this sense?

first article written also by:
Thomas Minderle (alias Montalk) was born in Germany and he is currently living in Florida.
After studying physics and electrical engineering for four years, he left college to pursue more independent research.
His interests include spirituality,.
https://hyperspace.engineer/#researcher_thomas_minderle


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Minderle  (alias Montalk) Ether Physics, scalar superpotential ,
and all other  nonsense.

Few real physical terms:
let's analyze term:
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scalar superpotential
-word scalar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics)
-word scalar potential  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_potential
-word superpotential https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpotential

Superpotential and Scalar Potential
https://1library.net/article/superpotential-and-scalar-potential-two-parameter-models.yje9w72q


although each one of the individual factors in physics is present and
represents a value
the "single field called the scalar superpotential" is the term used by
Thomas Minderle (alias Montalk) were all sense and nonsense of it is known to
and exists in his mind. Although he tries to explain it to us, most of readers
get confused by  easiness of reading Thomas Minderle book, were not having
solid physics background in this particular area creates a trap, collecting
more attention of the believers, versus the properly prepared analytical minds.

For me it is a complete nonsense trying to use tools of science in this sense.
In other words, it is brilliant :
-If any of that sense doesn't exist  to show that nonsense have a lot of sense.

The "bend" is taking a place in the point where introduction changes to nonsense
but that nonsense is not clearly spotted by the reader.

Note: opinion expressed my own, according to the Constitution of United States.

Wesley

ramset

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2022, 03:51:26 AM »

Wesley
I am certain you are not alone in your opinions on the “other work or theories” attached to author of document below,
However..
This document  is not ( I am told) a shallow unsupported presentation ,quite the contrary.. it actually touches on very complex work Another had pondered …
 As mentioned already, the interest at this time is not towards theories  , it is towards a path for empirical  proof or experiments to qualify the alleged claims alluded to in document below .(“The keys to the FE city”)
And hopefully a true anomaly or heretofore unknown or realized gain mechanism.

 No stone left unturned!
 Respectfully
 Chet K


Feb2006 link from post # 4 http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf


https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism

alan

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2022, 05:48:09 PM »
Thanks, I also found this paper recently. 
Put this next to Floyd Sweet's writing and try to deduce with this hypothesis. 
A time conjugate (out of phase, or reflected by a 'mirror' source) team EM-wave with B waves cancelling and E waves adding, it becomes a B+(-B) E+E wave, or a standing electrostatic only wave which change doesn't generate B fields anymore.   
Try to see if this can explain the behavior of coupled inductors in designs like shark and kapa, meyer and literally all of them.  Especially Figuera. 
credits to emjunke for pointing this out since a long time ago

ramset

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2022, 08:36:21 PM »
Alan
Would be nice if you qualified your “confident comment” by teaching us an actual gain mechanism?


Tripping over so many FE devices ( you mention with such confidence to understand the gain mechanism ??)


Please share just one true gain mechanism which can survive a bench replication / verification for
Peer review.
The floor is all yours !

Respectfully
Chet K



PS
Here the group which was many years working with person you “credit “ above
And after much disappointment and dead ends ( and unnecessary drama)
Started a new more open group !


https://www.beyondunity.org/


Please teach us …or it ends up looking like another baseless taunt ….?












Ufopolitics

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2022, 01:22:31 AM »
Hello,

I just got such a simple question, basically for those who believe they "know it all"...and yes, it refers basically to MAGNETISM.

Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?

Why a magnetic field is NOT generated if we just wind the wire in a "zig-zag" pattern**?

*circular pattern, referring to always making a consecutive and continuously wound loop, it don't matter if later on, we press it and make it flatter...is still a "circular pattern flattened"...And, of course, (for any "smart cookie) it don't need to be "exactly circular", but square, triangular, etc,etc.

**zig-zag pattern, referring to gathering the wire in a ZlZlZlZlZ flat pattern...or could also be in a U^U^U type shape, flat.

Obviously in both examples we simply apply the same electrical -/+ power to both wire ends...however, the zig-zag will not generate a Magnetic Field...

Why?

Regards

Ufopolitics

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2022, 11:33:33 AM »
Hello,

Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?
Ufopolitics
You know that a wire laid in a zigzag is a bifilar, which has no inductance, and therefore does not create a magnetic field.  But it introduces a delay in the passage of the signal in time.

alan

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2022, 02:29:41 PM »
Alan
Would be nice if you qualified your “confident comment” by teaching us an actual gain mechanism?


Tripping over so many FE devices ( you mention with such confidence to understand the gain mechanism ??)


Please share just one true gain mechanism which can survive a bench replication / verification for
Peer review.
The floor is all yours !

Respectfully
Chet K
I only point in the right direction.

What are Tesla-waves? 
I won't rant too much, but I think the key is interferometry of conjugate EM wavepairs, because the Whittaker paper points in this direction. 
How can the info be used to find out how to convert reactive power into real power? 
Just assume 'Figuera' works, then these papers will help explain it and you will deduce the mechanism.
IMHO Cancel B, add E, in magnetic synchronism using multiple coils to create a standing scalar potential.
Or reactive VxI to standing V, nature provides the I via Ohm's law. (Didn't Don Smith do ths?)
regards 

edit 
Bearden wrote this: 
In two fundamental papers in 1903 and 1904, Whittaker showed that all present vector EM can be replaced by scalar potential interferometry, and that bidirectional harmonic EM plane wave sets could be used to produce a standing wave of force-field-free potential

alan

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2022, 02:37:43 PM »
Hello,

I just got such a simple question, basically for those who believe they "know it all"...and yes, it refers basically to MAGNETISM.

Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?

Why a magnetic field is NOT generated if we just wind the wire in a "zig-zag" pattern**?

*circular pattern, referring to always making a consecutive and continuously wound loop, it don't matter if later on, we press it and make it flatter...is still a "circular pattern flattened"...And, of course, (for any "smart cookie) it don't need to be "exactly circular", but square, triangular, etc,etc.

**zig-zag pattern, referring to gathering the wire in a ZlZlZlZlZ flat pattern...or could also be in a U^U^U type shape, flat.

Obviously in both examples we simply apply the same electrical -/+ power to both wire ends...however, the zig-zag will not generate a Magnetic Field...

Why?

Regards

Ufopolitics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.

ramset

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2022, 03:00:48 PM »
Alan
Respectfully , without actual results which can be verified and then successfully replicated?
Your “pointing “ is ?
 Huh ?( hunch ?
 
  Conceptual errors happen quite often ,…. it is the concepts that can actually work
Empirically ..which we need desperately!
Hunches with no supporting evidence…”not so much !
 Theses type claims turn out to be very deep rabbit holes ..( claims with no evidence
 
 Too many years wasted on Hunches and conceptual errors with no working concept which can pass scrutiny ( or proper measurements )


And pointing to failures as proof of ?


Hopefully this is not the case with paper being discussed here !


And hopefully an experiment which supports the assumptions will manifest!
Respectfully
Chet




alan

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2022, 03:15:41 PM »
I don't claim anything. I recommend people to look at the writings of Figuera, Sweet, a bit of Don Smith but now with the quaternion science and Whittaker idea of transverse to standing to scalapotential to EM next to it. (magnetic self-pumped phase-conjugation?). 

"If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth."
In modern terms, Whittaker showed how to turn EM wave energy into electrogravitational potential energy, then how to interfere two such scalar potential waves to recover electromagnetic energy, even at a distance.


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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2022, 03:44:47 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.

@ Alan: Nope, it does not answers my question, at least "not in full"...
Oersted is the very basic law which relates electricity to magnetism, so simple it relates to a single wire carrying a charge then around it, generates a surrounding spatial magnetic field...
@Kolbacict: Yes, that is right, a zigzag is somehow a similar approach to a bifilar with opposite directions of currents in every turn, so magnetic fields keep canceling in every "two way street"...now, that is just the "conventional answer"...

But there is more to this...and here below, is the description taken from Thomas Minderle article, originally posted by member Feb2006, which clearly defines it:

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Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment. It arises from the curl in magnetic vector potential. Its units are Webers/meter2 . Whenever there is vorticity in the magnetic vector potential, a magnetic field exists pointing along the axis of that rotation.

And in a very simple way IN ESSENCE: "The CURL in Magnetic Vector Potential"...which resumes in..."VORTICITY in the Magnetic Vector Potential"

Ufopolitics

alan

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Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2022, 05:41:15 PM »
  PART #3
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations

it is also worth to say that the article was written by:
Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Equations.  Jeremy Dunning-Davies, Departments of Mathematics and Physics (retd), University of Hull, England;
and
Richard Lawrence Norman, Editor in chief, Mind magazine Journal of Unconscious Psychology Former Scientific Advisor Thunder Energies Corporation

so Jeremy is retired and now he can say much more than he could when he was working.
and
Richard is in business and needs the stories.
money talks as long as it sales.
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So written in quaternions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion
formulation gave the room to existence of
scalar electromagnetic wave (longitudinal electromagnetic wave) but that doesn't mean that  it exists.
it is just mathematical possibility.

In reality that someone may say:
"You can't have -1 apple you either have apple/s or you don't have it."
however there is a possibility that sometime in the future you may need one more apple
So you are short of 1 apple for a given application, but that doesn't mean that now, you don't have apples at all.
 
In analogy to  an apple
we may have more  Maxwell  equations on the shelf now
but only four  fundamental Maxwell  equations
are in use and published most of the time as this is
what we are in need for.
- when we  start to talk about  scalar wave (-" longitudinal" electromagnetic wave)
than we  are short of  one equation that is  there  on the shelf but is not used
because it mathematically creates more  confusion to already confusing quantum physics.
Apart from that  (this  mathematics) is completely conflicting with physics  of today.

While looking at that particular paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations
we see in page 2
(the pages have no number written, so just try to find page 2) quote:And we know that name. The name of T. Brown - the Thom Brown from Borderland Sciences
is the same guy? one of the heroes of four? Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations  « Reply #7 on: Today at 09:23:21 PM »
is that what that CIA paper was talking about?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf


on the same page of the article
we have quote:
 
more is coming in part number four

Wesley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Townsend_Brown