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russwr

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S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:35:39 PM »
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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2022, 11:41:37 PM »
Sir
With respect, I have noticed a few times you mentioned attachments and none to find ?
This S1R9A9M9 Topic is of great interest!( and a great need for our planet)






Is there another link or ?
Respectfully
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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2022, 07:18:24 PM »
Maybe this one - really attached  ;)


And of course this message thread:  https://overunity.com/17033/briggs-18hp-runs-on-water-s1r9a9m9-web-site-videos-12-youtube-2008/

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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2022, 08:16:16 PM »
Over the years there has been speculation regarding the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assy. I worked on this many times, studying Briggs engine and alternator and all tech details from website before it shut down. Nathren, who was in jail in Georgia 2020 had said that no final report with exacting details would be given on the 18HP Briggs running on water through carb. The cars and mower engine conversions was his best work, according to him. All needed data was just in the message board- (from questions and answers). I finally figured out why the high volts line of 5 turns was just bare #12 wire. We all figured it was just poor judgment, and would probably cause leakage induction. There was a couple obscure original paragraphs regarding what was called the "60 turns coil test". Insulated high volts cable wrapped with 60 turns insulated hook up wire with 12v  20 amp passing through 60t hooked to load resistance, would change to 12amps on connected series meter. Ignition fired through it's cable. He said that current would be induced in high volts line carried to spark plug. Not believing that because there is no complete circuit for a secondary of a transformer for this. Not only that, a spark bypass would happen with direct line to ground of negative ignition on engine. The web pages , several times indicated that to run engine on water, it was required to have about 100 volts and 6-7 amps to plug with about -neg 34degrees ATDC. 18HP had plastic tub with several parts hidden, of whitch he only showed triple coils assy. Later I figured other parts to be accessory spark gap, diodes, resistor, dual coils relay ,and (1) extra inductor from previous broken relay. He distinctly indicated cost as about $3 per cylinder for conversions. The cheap way was leakage inductance to get the series inductor with 3 diodes to force forward a back EMF flyback voltage as about 100v to plug. The magnetic field over HiV cable on engine was static constant on unchanging. When reactance ohms in main line changed, the modified signal in main line created action that allowed inductor to release higher volts forward. As the first 60turns insulated coil test passed earlier, he then used only bare #12 to get better effect for the L coil. The input current to S1R coils assy was by ratio less, as it was actually a step down transformer as- autotransformer of 3 terminals , to increase current in secondary for the spark plug 10 amps. I dare you to see the color photo of original S1R coils assembly on Internet images, then blow up photo to see the stub wire and frayed copper wires at the tap point. This was the output secondary line to plug. When Nathren said he was going to show us how to wind properly, he removed black tape + the stub frayed wires, and re wrapped in tape. That is what is shown to be same bent nail coil assy with tap point frayed wires removed, which is on you tube videos as "take apart" on porch scene. He did not want people to see these pieces removed during making his video.  The lawnmower engine alternator has no real power during starter cranking RPM and main circuit relies on 12v car battery for start purpose. Different plastic ring alternators of higher amps are available as well as different flywheels with stronger magnets for output power. The standard water cell electrolysis uses very low volts and variable current with surface area of SS plates to make hydrogen bubbles. The combustion chamber electrolysis of 18HP  engine only has small spark plug electrodes and requires much higher VOLTAGE. ie - Flyback inductor. His method replaces the earlier car conversion parts with 110v AC Inverter box with half wave DC diode for about 40V DC for the dual coil relay per cylinder. (The on + off works the Inductor!) The dimensions of coils L as 60 cycles switching armature relay as solid core with winding of #21 gauge magnet wire as about 1.6Millihenry as .6 ohm as 3/4" by 1 3/4" coil , similar to China coils .8mm wire as cross over inductors. The black Bakalite sealed box was in vacuum with screws on 2 sides and no bracket.The high volts went through both coils in series on just the mower engine with 3 diodes, one was in between. Relays were intended supposed to be for traffic signals switching in street pole electrical boxes in Georgia. Nathren said so. Reason has to do with further reduced timing, as cars had had adjustable distributor timing, the Briggs has none. Video 1 at 1/4 speed will show the 3 power wires going down from engine upper cowl to the plastic tub.The summer heat and engine heat of 2008 had melted the glue on black tape, so as 3 wires are visible.  This conversion method would work because of the change of neg high volts and positive ground , to POSITIVE high volts and negative ground. The Briggs Magnetron had wires reversed so as plug rubber boot hooked to casting ground , and magnet type magnetron was insulated from casting with plastic washers and plastic metric screws. Cable then hooks from metal of ignition to 5 turn S1R coils assy. The starter then receives positive 12v with black neg battery cable hooked to casting for ground. System circuit may not work with neg high voltage unless starter insulated from engine.  Reference here is the (2) YouTube videos of S1R9A9M9 and tech data gathered.
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Re: S1R9A9M9 engines conversion power supply
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2022, 10:53:22 PM »
S1R9A9M9 (Nathren), had what was needed as ISOLATED GROUNDS power supply. The 400w 60 cycles Inverter had electrically separated secondary side which can be used as AC or DC. There is no clashing of 2 power sources together if isolation is used. All those Boost DC converters advertised can't be used as final power. A cheaper way is to use battery to run boost converter which runs the 500Watt inverter open board with 3 sets AC output terminals. The on board IC oscillator as dual phase outputs to the MOSFET switching transistors runs the transformer . The 5V internal regulator will accept the higher input 19v. The on board 16v filter capacitor has to be CHANGED to 50 VOLTS rating. The output 18v terminals will produce 28.4V AC isolated with input of 19vDC from booster converter. Then add a hand made high frequency bridge rectifier for final 27vDC output. The higher voltage is required to overcome various voltage drops and for the series diode protection from high volts , water, and other resistance in main circuit to spark plug. Inverter is fast 20Khz , so as fast recovery diodes have to be used as FR607, to send the 6-7 amps to spark plug. Nathren had no protection in original circuits. It will run power resistors which is nichrome wires on insulator. Test circuit was 4.5ohms. Ohms Law E/R = I. Voltage measurements have to be used on old style analog meter with needle and face scale, so as can accept high frequency. Extra Meter Victor VC921 has setting to read just the frequency, but not that type of voltage. Inverter needs 4 wires to solder on, and spot solder for jumper for switch. Put switch and fuse in red positive line input. Amazon sells items and is quicker than china shipping. A practice motorcycle old style cylinder type ignition coil mounted on board with spring back points and condenser can be used as practice. Output Hi V through hi v diode and accessory spark gap and double inductance 3MH is about 6KV pulsing DC. The low voltage current jumps in when spark plug fires to ground. Enhanced / amplified spark is what he used on car engines and lawn mower engine with water to hydrogen conversion with the additional water vapor pressure. Engine is self running and battery is disconnected. In earlier times, people were sparking their spark plugs with capacitor discharges. That is in microseconds time. The DC plain current added by Nathren to spark is extending time in Milliseconds and giving more time of current to contact the water. Zero ohms spark plug NGK-B2LM allows passage of 6-7 amps current on mower engine of short threads reach.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 Power Supply data -2008
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2022, 12:44:17 AM »
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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2022, 11:53:50 PM »
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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2022, 12:18:17 AM »
(Corrected paragraph)----  Over the years there has been speculation regarding the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assy. I worked on this many times, studying Briggs engine and alternator and all tech details from website before it shut down. Nathren, who was in jail in Georgia 2020 had said that no final report with exacting details would be given on the 18HP Briggs running on water through carb. The cars and mower engine conversions was his best work, according to him. All needed data was just in the message board- (from questions and answers). I finally figured out why the high volts line of 5 turns was just bare #12 wire. We all figured it was just poor judgment, and would probably cause leakage induction. There was a couple obscure original paragraphs regarding what was called the "60 turns coil test". Insulated high volts cable wrapped with 60 turns insulated hook up wire with 12v  20 amp passing through 60t hooked to load resistance, would change to 12amps on connected series meter. Ignition fired through it's cable. He said that current would be induced in high volts line carried to spark plug. Not believing that because there is no complete circuit for a secondary of a transformer for this. Not only that, a spark bypass would happen with direct line to ground of negative ignition on engine. The web pages , several times indicated that to run engine on water, it was required to have about 100 volts and 6-7 amps to plug with about -neg 34degrees ATDC. 18HP had plastic tub with several parts hidden, of whitch he only showed triple coils assy. Later I figured other parts to be accessory spark gap, diodes, resistor, dual coils relay ,and (1) extra inductor from previous broken relay. He distinctly indicated cost as about $3 per cylinder for conversions. The cheap way was LEAKAGE INDUCTANCE to get the series inductor with 3 diodes to force forward a back EMF flyback voltage as about 100v to plug. There is a parallel diode also with cathode facing output- not reverse parallel. The magnetic field over HiV cable on engine was static constant on, unchanging. When reactance ohms in main line changed, the modified signal in main line created action that allowed inductor to release higher volts forward. As the first 60turns insulated coil test passed earlier, he then used only bare #12 to get better effect for the L coil. The input current to S1R coils assy was about 15 amps for the final lowwered currenrt to spark plug 10 amps. When Nathren said he was going to show us how to wind properly, he removed black tape + the stub frayed wires, and re wrapped in tape. That is what is shown to be same bent nail coil assy with tap point frayed wires removed, which is on you tube videos as "take apart" on porch scene. He did not want people to see these pieces removed during making his video.  The lawnmower engine alternator has no real power during starter cranking RPM and main circuit relies on 12v car battery for start purpose. Different plastic ring alternators of higher amps are available as well as different flywheels with stronger magnets for output power. The standard water cell electrolysis uses very low volts and variable current with surface area of SS plates to make hydrogen bubbles. The combustion chamber electrolysis of 18HP  engine only has small spark plug electrodes and requires much higher VOLTAGE. ie - Flyback inductor. His method replaces the earlier car conversion parts with 110v AC Inverter box with half wave DC diode for about 40V DC for the dual coil relay per cylinder. (The on + off works the Inductor!) The dimensions of coils L as 60 cycles switching armature relay as solid core with winding of #21 gauge magnet wire as about 1.6Millihenry as .6 ohm as 3/4" by 1 3/4" coil , similar to China coils .8mm wire as cross over inductors. The black Bakalite sealed box was in vacuum with screws on 2 sides and no bracket.The high volts went through both coils in series on just the mower engine with 3 diodes, one was in between. Relays were intended supposed to be for traffic signals switching in street pole electrical boxes in Georgia. Nathren said so. Reason has to do with further reduced timing, as cars had had adjustable distributor timing, the Briggs has none. Video 1 at 1/4 speed will show the 3 power wires going down from engine upper cowl to the plastic tub.The summer heat and engine heat of 2008 had melted the glue on black tape, so as 3 wires are visible.  This conversion method would work because of the change of neg high volts and positive ground , to POSITIVE high volts and negative ground. The Briggs Magnetron had wires reversed so as plug rubber boot hooked to casting ground , and magnet type magnetron was insulated from casting with plastic washers and plastic metric screws. Cable then hooks from metal of ignition to 5 turn S1R coils assy. The starter then receives positive 12v with black neg battery cable hooked to casting for ground. System circuit may not work with neg high voltage unless starter insulated from engine.  Reference here is the (2) YouTube videos of S1R9A9M9 and tech data gathered.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 coil assy creates reactance in main current line -2008
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2022, 02:05:29 AM »
Still tinkering with the circuit for Nathren's water powered mower engine. I spent 3 months designing replacement for the old style dual coils Relays that always worked before in Georgia. The sealed carlon box is in vacuum with DC high volts, with Tesla type magnetic spark gap + Cap, with series Crossover inductor 1.6MH, as per originals. The idea is that radiant Energy is generated, kept in by vacuum, and follows wiring out to spark plug. He said they were worth their weight in Gold. The shop technicians back then could not replicate homemade relays to work efficiently. That's why no final papers were ever released. He was in jail during 2020.  The original traffic signal lights poles relay were new replacements long ago. It was only the smooth running V8 engines and Pinto 4cyl WITH EGR + the Relays, and the magnetic field at plugs tips, that were acceptable. The Nitrogen compound in exhaust gases back into intake was the key to non surging engines. Website was studied and data copied before it was shut down. Currently working on the Briggs mower engine conversion only. I changed low volts to positive, and also the ignition volts to positive. This way one battery can be used, and starter motor can use engine casting for negative ground. My Power Supply is halfwave DC voltage doubler voltage from 500Watt open board 20Khz Inverter with fast diodes. Requirement is ISOLATED source power from secondary side, and then use series blocking diodes. Therefore the coil L in series can have back EMF higher volts pulse. One L coil in vacuum with high volts, while other coil L is mounted outside with low volts. The Georgia shop technicians and Nathren said that circuit required 100v and 6-7amps through spark plug. (Very small electrodes surface area) There is a back EMF higher volts generated from inductor that could be used for that purpose. Magnetic field carries all the way to plug, while I also added neodymium ring magnet at plug. The field is exactly at plug electrodes. Water in Carb was to change to water vapor pressure at -34degrees ATDC timing with some Hydrogen gas formed and fired for piston pressure. The S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly serves 3 functions and is NOT a transformer. I built about 40 different models over time until I figured it out. His original spark plug of 4000ohms was replaced by Champion 125ohm plug. It COULD have been taken apart later with resistor replaced with copper segment. This way plug is Zero ohms and and can carry 6 amps. The S1R coils had formed "Leakage inductance" in 7t+13Turns, so that superimposed higher 1300 volts over 12v would push 10amps through spark plug. The 15Amps first capable,..was reduced to 10amps with the reactance induced in 7+13 turns coil from the electrical field of the ignition cable line pulse. He gave example in his website called - "the 60turns coil test". With battery disconnected after engine starts, the dual alternators under flywheel ran the conversion circuit for spark plug amps. In 2008 Youtube videos S1R9A9M9 1 and 2, he neglected to say the 18HP Briggs engine was self running, and was to be inferred!