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Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2022, 01:55:05 AM »
I know this is theoretical- but:

If a transformer ran at 100% efficiency, it would produce no heat?
When a transformer gets warm, it is only converting the waste from inefficiencies to heat?


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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2022, 02:06:35 AM »
Thats kind of a bad example, because most jacob’s ladders involve more than just the gap resistor


Take the one i have here for example, created by TinselKoala


the gap itself approaches close to the thermal conversion of an ideal resistor


However, it does has a positive impedance value, even above the ionization state of free air


So, measurements taken at the output still show current drawn through the rest of the circuit

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2022, 02:08:02 AM »
I know this is theoretical- but:

If a transformer ran at 100% efficiency, it would produce no heat?
When a transformer gets warm, it is only converting the waste from inefficiencies to heat?


There are also non-thermal losses to consider
But for the most part that is accurate

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2022, 02:09:47 AM »
A transformer made of 2 superconductors
Would produce no heat

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2022, 02:14:30 AM »
However:


Maxwell predicts that as we approach the ideal superconducting situation::
It requires infinite energy to sustain it.
This does not come from our electrical source,


But rather implies a cooling effect.
Or a need to be further cooled (the math doesnt clarify this)

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2022, 02:35:31 AM »
Smoky- thanks for taking the time to answer.

I think I am getting it..  Coil 1 has Amps and Potential Difference (  ie...  pressure)
Transferring to another coil transfers some of that "pressure" to the collector coil..

Same amount of current is flowing in coil 1, just with less pressure ( difference in potential)..

comparable to a car going 50 MPH to a bicycle going 50 MPH..  Current (speed) remains the same on both,  but car has much more power.

Heat production is not solely reliant on amperage numbers but on total power..

Another example..  50 amps through THICK wire where voltage remains low..  Compared with 50 amps through thin wire..  Thin wire raises difference in potential so the "pressure" is much greater- thus creating more heat in thin wire than thick.

This all sounds so basic now and easy to understand..  I just never really connected these dots

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2022, 02:38:15 AM »
Basically, Yes we can create both Heat and Flux...  Problem is we can not touch that flux, because when we harvest that flux, the heat is also robbed.. 

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2022, 03:23:39 AM »
To be honest, neither did in until the other day
Examining a system (of actual pressure)
and used Maxwell’s equations (requires all 3)
To translate this perspective to all areas of science

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2022, 03:26:28 AM »
Heat is robbed…. Hmm


Perhaps


Lets take a coil that is energized


Then include our inductive coil


Reluctance will increase in the magnetic domain
And conversely impedance will decrease in the electric domain
(Up to the point of resonance, cross then head the other way)


So i suppose you are correct

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2022, 04:25:25 AM »
Now I am just thinking out loud on his one..

 I "think" it can be said that a 100 ft piece of energized wire has just as much flux as that same length wound into a coil.  When we wind it, we are just gathering all that flux into a vortex that melds with each other in the same direction, concentrating the flux in 1 place.

So the flux itself is linked with power in all charged wires. And work we do, we are robbing from the flux field around the wire.

Now we know we can use some shielding and magnets and get a second magnet to continually levitate with no input power..  So beating gravity takes no input force once a magnet is placed into the field.   Exact same as placing a magnet in an energized coil.  If the flux field is steady, the magnet does not wiggle or move..  So the levitating magnet in a fluxed coil takes nothing and gives nothing back to levitate there..

When we kill the power of the coil-  Gravity pulls the magnet down through the coil creating some power..

The whole problem comes round robin back to the beginning..  We need to rub the flux field to get the magnet to the top of the coil to levitate.

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2022, 02:10:15 PM »
You’re almost there
As we wind the wire up, the magnetic field fights itself
Causing the inductance.


Flux isnt a quality or a thing thats going on in a live wire.
Flux is a change in magnetism that happens as the wire is charging up
In an a/ c system this happens very many times but is the same
When you first switch on a dc circuit


So i assume it is the magnetic field you are referring to.


Just as a straight wire will repel a compass needle
Two wires in opposite direction will fight each other also
And a wire coiled around itself, does this completely around the circle.


Similar to two magnets pushing each other apart,
The electric field looping through its own magnetic field fights itself
Making the magnetic field stronger,
By slowing down the electricity in the time domain.


So you have more electricity moment for momentBut it takes it longer to pass through,
like a traffic jam


You get more field, but at the cost of more current to drive the coil

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2022, 03:08:25 PM »
I know this is theoretical- but:

If a transformer ran at 100% efficiency, it would produce no heat?
When a transformer gets warm, it is only converting the waste from inefficiencies to heat?


Funny you should say that - I ran a FEMM of a transformer and the results were interesting. I show the case where I integrate over the main coil in the image. I integrate total loss which I checked is always the same here in the coils as resistive losses. I summarize below:



Coil 1 (100A) - 0.00623571 W
Coil 2 (5A)   - 0.00000004 W
Core 'loss'     0.06810740 W 

==> losses in core are more than in coils.
Now I tried with air instead of iron in the core:

Coil 1 (100A) - 0.00622984 W
Coil 2 (5A)   - 0.00000004 W
Core 'loss'     0.00000000 W

That is, similar loss in the coil regardless of whether transformer core is present or not!

So could one try a normal transformer with amorphous core to allow heating? If enough input could get output to heat a steam engine...

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2022, 03:35:05 PM »
https://www.ambrell.com/hubfs/Ambrell_PDFs/411-0168-10.pdf

Heat a steam engine?
Don’t see a reason why it couldn’t be done.

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2022, 07:25:12 PM »

Hi Kajunbee - yes, your link made me realise that many may have already been using such heating. I also recall old electric heaters where you saw a long
coil of high resistance wire glowing red. And some even use induction heating. But I would still like a test of the simple transformer system as in my simulation with a measure of input and output energy. I Also tried FEMM with no current and got almost the same ratio between input and output power - namely
0.06808210/0.00622984 = 10.928. Not a bad COP if real.

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Re: Floodrod's Magnet Battery Charger idea?
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2022, 07:42:56 PM »
I meant no current imposed on  the secondary apart from what was induced.