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Author Topic: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy  (Read 4588 times)

Offline Feb2006

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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2022, 10:51:15 PM »

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2022, 06:42:22 AM »

Offline ramset

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2022, 02:20:02 PM »
Garrett mentions 1.7 giga amps “per square meter “ potential!
Seems he worked (pioneered) on early photovoltaic projects ( Silicon Valley) which sought
To harvest from the suns square meter to planets surface output (approximately 1100-1200 watts ?

And here
Giga amps per square meter potential…


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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2022, 09:58:25 PM »
Here a comment from Lanca
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1,7 giga Ampere per qm  means by Volt : total VA or W value ?
Giga Mega Kilo 1 700 000 000 A x ? Volt or   1,7 x 10v9 A x V
This conversion we need for ,1994 published,theme ' quantum well diode '
between 10v13 and 10v7 Watt per sqm values https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#
   The above test used diodes with active diode areas of 10@-4 cm@2 as convenient to the fabrication and the tests. In the theory of the quantum reversible process, the output voltage is not dependent on the area of the diode electrodes. The test results do not support the existence of any electron thermalization process in which any significant fraction of the hot electrons is first thermalized to an equilibrium temperature for electrons. This thermalization process is not compatible with the experimental results, since approximately 10@13 watts per square meter of input power is needed to heat the thermalized electrons to the electron temperature of 6000 DEG K. for an electron photon thermalization time of 10@-12 seconds. This electron thermalization process is also not a physically realizable process for this input power, since the material of the diode is destroyed in less than 10@-12 seconds by this intensity of incoming photons. This power is 6 orders of magnitude larger than the test power for the conversion process of 10@7 watts per square meter that was used in the experiment. These results support the conclusion that the thermal energy of the hot electron is directly converted into electromagnetic energy before any electron thermalization occurs.
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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2022, 10:33:57 PM »
It is important to understand that the incoming radiation is already in electromagnetic format.
This is not a conversion of thermal energy, rather (mathematically) the energy is described by thermal values for convenience.


Consider the device to be a filter and an asymmetrical diode.
Analysis of the circuit is taken from before the filter.
We can imagine this similarly to cable television using an in-line channel filter.


Prior to the filter there is every channel. (Power over cable uses all channels)
If we were to analyze the power AFTER the filter, and compare that to the pre-filter power
We find a difference in potential, at any current value.


The asymmetrical diode has a shorter mean free electron path on one side. This is how it functions as a diode.
2 pieces of metal, one thicker than the other, with a barrier between them.
Due to the nature of the electromagnetic energy being harvested:
Outside of the device it is equal everywhere. Without the ‘filter’, there is no potential difference.
And this energy is present even in the absence of heat. (0 degrees Kelvin)

However, after the filter there is.
And it is this internal potential difference (with respect to the outside circuit) that provides the current.
While Voltage does not depend upon the surface area, Current does.
Keep in mind this energy density of 1.7 GW / m^2 is scaled up from minuscule fraction of a meter.
So move the decimal 12-13 places to the left and you have the power output of the current device, at the size they are currently capable of producing it.
An actual large scale device has yet to be produced.




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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2022, 12:13:11 AM »
A macro-world device can be designed to demonstrate the  principle used to harness this quantum energy.


Take for example the power harnessing method used by crystal radio to power itself.
The FM radio band is saturating your space with energy on every channel that has a station broadcasting on it.
So the test rig will have 2 antenna - one designed to pick up every fm channel
Rectified


The second picks up only one channel. - also rectified
The potential between the 2 outputs is your harvested energy.




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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2022, 08:08:40 PM »
A macro-world device can be designed to demonstrate the  principle used to harness this quantum energy.


Take for example the power harnessing method used by crystal radio to power itself.
The FM radio band is saturating your space with energy on every channel that has a station broadcasting on it.
So the test rig will have 2 antenna - one designed to pick up every fm channel
Rectified


The second picks up only one channel. - also rectified
The potential between the 2 outputs is your harvested energy.

Unless you are located very near to a strong transmitter, you will not get more than a few mW with this method.

And in any case, it's not 'zero point energy', and it's also not 'free' because someone else payed for it.

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2022, 01:34:18 PM »
Unless you are located very near to a strong transmitter, you will not get more than a few mW with this method.

And in any case, it's not 'zero point energy', and it's also not 'free' because someone else payed for it.


I was not suggesting to use this as a “power source”
Nor that radio waves were a ‘free source’.


This is to prove the technical aspects of harvesting energy in this manner.
The fact that it works (at any power level), proves the theory presented by the inventor.


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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2022, 03:31:54 PM »
   All it proves is that you can obtain mW from a man made source, which proves nothing about harvesting a USEABLE gain, or unlocking zero point energy, from the surrounding immediate natural ambient source. Instead of from man made FM radio signals. And, as with most all other tests so far, this will end up proving nothing, about unlocking zero point energy, nor leading to greater outputs. However, I'm ready and willing to be proved wrong by actual tests, not just by wishful thinking.
   
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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2022, 09:24:43 PM »
Proving the method works, gives credence to such a method being feasible using other sources of radiation. You can alternatively choose a non-manmade source and perform the same experiment.


If you have a theory as to ‘why’ this method cannot work with virtually any wavelength greater than Plank’s Constant : please share.




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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2022, 02:11:11 AM »
Proving the method works, gives credence to such a method being feasible using other sources of radiation. You can alternatively choose a non-manmade source and perform the same experiment.


If you have a theory as to ‘why’ this method cannot work with virtually any wavelength greater than Plank’s Constant : please share.

Of course it is possible but the only non-man-made radiation which is strong enough to get significant amounts of energy is the radiation from the sun. We all know the advantages and disadvantages of solar energy.

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2022, 01:13:40 AM »
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Proving the method works, gives credence to such a method being feasible using other sources of radiation. You can alternatively choose a non-manmade source and perform the same experiment.

Indeed it proves many different phenomena of interest to the FE researcher...

1)It proves space is not empty but full of EM wave/radiant energy from countless external sources such as the billion trillion stars in space.
-This should have been obvious and the fact we can even see countless stars tells us there energy existed at every point between us and said stars. Anyone who claims space is empty and there is no energy present is obviously mistaken.

2)It proves energy at very small wavelength/scales can be extracted.
-The Casimir cavity or effect proves there is energy present and that it can be utilized.

3)What we don't know is how far this effect extends and it could relate to the nature of matter on the atomic level. Could a variation of this effect be the glue which holds matter together ultimately relating to the energy of fission/fusion or transmutation?. In this case were not talking about milliwatts but possibly Kilo or Megawatt capabilities.

What many don't understand is that all the heavier elements were born in the crucible of stars. The lighter elements were super-compressed by stars concentrating a massive amount of energy within them as heavier elements. Thus all matter is like a battery just waiting for some impetus to reorganize it's structure and release some of the energy given to it. We know this is true because fission/fusion has proven this energy is present and can be extracted.

Could the Casmir effect be supercharged producing sub nano-scale atomic reactions on the surface of matter liberating a part of the energy stored within it from stars?. A form of cold fusion, cold because it can only occur within an extremely small surface region to a limited extent?. Unlike the large bulky, lumped sum brute force reactions most are used to dealing with?. A little finesse could go a long way...

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2022, 07:14:10 AM »
Where does our space come from? Not about the "big bang", the theory of which is somewhat dubious.
Not about cosmic space, although you can scale from microscopic to cosmic values.


 From what does our space arise every second, how is it visualized in the transition between the future and the past?

How much energy ... in time?

Physicists John Wheeler and Richard Feynman calculated that there is enough quantum energy in the vacuum inside a single light bulb to boil all the world's oceans.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2003/jul/17/research.highereducation
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 02:47:44 PM by Sergh »

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Re: Unlocking Zero-Point Energy
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2022, 08:04:42 AM »
Of course it is possible but the only non-man-made radiation which is strong enough to get significant amounts of energy is the radiation from the sun. We all know the advantages and disadvantages of solar energy.


That, of course depends on your interpretation of ‘significant’, and your ability to follow the mathematical formulas presented by the inventor.