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Author Topic: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive  (Read 11651 times)

Willy

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More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« on: October 18, 2022, 12:49:54 AM »
See the Attached PDF below

    EDIT
This PDF has been edited (due to errors) as the ODT file in the
subsequent post.

Please disregard this pdf version of the file
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 12:03:27 AM by Willy »

Willy

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2022, 03:21:29 PM »
The Twist drive explinations in an Open Office file format (odt) attachment.

Tarsier_79

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2023, 10:07:04 AM »
Willy, It has been 6 months since your post, and you say you have it on your bench. Did you ever close the loop?

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2023, 02:35:21 PM »
Willy, It has been 6 months since your post, and you say you have it on your bench. Did you ever close the loop?

Hi Tarsier

I have read pretty much all of your posts.
For the most part, buoyancy ideas are simple enough to quickly figure out if
they work or not.

This device is simple enough as well, given of course, that the deeper levels of
why anything does anything, are not known by, any of us.  :)

Any thing can be faked in a video these days.  Unfortunately they are not proof.
That's just the way it is.  :(

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe weighs as much
while doing so, as it does when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.
2. Either the same can be true of a magnet and a wire coil or it can not.
3. Either the bottle weights and fall distances are as demonstrated in the many videos
or they are not.
4. Either the device can be cascaded or it can not.

Is there anything else I cannot do for you?  :)

   EDIT  See the again attached file "the twist drive proof h.odt) below.
 

Tarsier_79

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2023, 01:55:09 AM »
Hi Ramset

To watch the video without adds:
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3. Close and reopen your browser
4. Open https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7b3x9a
5. Do not click "I understand"(accept cookies), instead click maximize video and play.

Tarsier_79

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2023, 02:20:19 AM »
Quote
I have read pretty much all of your posts.
For the most part, buoyancy ideas are simple enough to quickly figure out if
they work or not.

This device is simple enough as well, given of course, that the deeper levels of
why anything does anything, are not known by, any of us.  :)

Hi Willy

I have a few posts here. Most of my posts are on BesslerWheel.com. I feel I have a deep understanding of what could be OU. I have attached a basic JPG showing the basic premise of your build to help summarize it. Please correct me if any of the details are wrong.

Your testing is very good, and mostly thorough. I understand your view that your device is OU, but I have some reservations at the moment. We both understand there is some preload. What needs to happen for your unit to be OU is total PE gained over one cycle. It could be possible that your device can achieve this, and I hope it can.

My initial thoughts: To show a gain in PE, all you have to do on your output is lift your 115G(or lighter), At the top of the cycle, reduce the "RO" weight by an amount, maybe 20-50g or so, and see how far it will rotate back down, or if it can fully reset. The amount of weight you remove is the PE lifted.....A successful gain in PE over a complete cycle will be OU in my book.

Do you believe this would be a valid test?

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2023, 02:36:37 AM »
First..
 Please if you will, give some scrutiny as ...

1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.

Second
Please resize graphics smaller before posting / edit the last post.

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2023, 02:55:26 AM »

Average force upon the SLiding unit over the initial 4.5 units of distance
during reset (opening the SL gap) varies some amount.

A greater input will be required there when the SL approach to RO has
been nearer. A very small amount of  closer makes a big difference because
The magnetic forces grow stronger rapid / sooner the closer distance between is.
EDIT          Hence the differences is some of the measurement set's weight objects.

The actual force must be measured in increments / integrated over that small distance.

On average in these measurements

"WHEN that work as <60g x 4.5 distance units (<270 work units)  is done
                                                           to, OR DIRECTLY UPON SL
                                  that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap.
                                                     These two actions are equal and opposite."

EDIT / ADDED

          "that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap. "
              Rather
          that work is equal to the energy that was present as magnetic attraction
          during the self closing of the gap.  That gap from 4.5 until 0 distance units,
          is self closing during the input phase.

           I store the energy of that self closing  as the very slight stretching of a
           3/16 inch long length of rubber band during the very end of the SL input
           stroke.  That rubber band energy, then allows reset, when no weight object
           is present upon the SLiding unit.

           The rubber band is an innovation, and  not demonstrated or discussed
            per say in any of the materials presented.

MORE EDIT.   
            This then requires the Sl weight to remain in place until the the SL gap is
             fully closed. Ideally, the rubber band stretch and the last 4.5 to 0 units of
             SLiding weight distance of travel, balance / cancel.

            Another EDIT / added clarification
            That rubber band is relaxed except for during the 0 to 4.5 units of distance.


            I'm using a thread tied to the rubber band and a thumb tack at each end.

                             
« Last Edit: May 10, 2023, 03:57:29 AM by Willy »

Tarsier_79

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2023, 04:18:56 AM »
I edited the image. Sorry, I thought if it fit on the page it was good. I am not completely used to this forum.

Quote
1. Either a strong magnet falling through a copper pipe WEIGHS as much
while doing so, as it WEIGHS when stationary upon a weight scales, or it does not.

I do not know the answer to this one. I suspect the magnet applies its weight proportionately to the copper pipe which weighs heavier, but won't weigh the total amount of the magnet + Copper pipe.

Quote
"WHEN that work as <60g x 4.5 distance units (<270 work units)  is done
                                                           to, OR DIRECTLY UPON SL
                                  that work is equal to the work which initially closed the gap.
                                                     These two actions are equal and opposite."

I think you are saying the reduction in weight on the RO direcly affects the distance the SL will move? That is OK, I get that and I understand the magnetic forces are stronger the closer the two magnets get and in what orientation the RO... I think it could still be possible to operate within the limits of that at the smaller distance and achieve a total gain in PE in a complete cycle.



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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2023, 04:30:54 AM »
Thanks for hanging in there.

I amended this post yet more / several  times.

@

https://overunity.com/19272/more-clairifaction-of-floors-twist-drive/msg577377/#msg577377

This device has huge potential.
           And
an equal potential for its difficulty in terms of seeing / grasping the actions with clarity.

Wow, you are really doing this very well... I think.  :)

« Last Edit: May 06, 2023, 10:56:35 PM by Willy »

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2023, 05:14:49 AM »

        Important Note

            The documents..
       "The Twist Drive proof    g.pdf"
                  and
         "The "Twist Drive proof   h.odt"
                   are not identical

  Please reference the   h.odt   version.
   
  The PDF file has a particular error which was corrected in the h.odt  version.

      sorry for the inconvenience
« Last Edit: May 06, 2023, 11:29:44 PM by Willy »

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2023, 01:17:21 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0svs-uGx8s&t=107s

Starting at 1.10 - experiment to determine weight of a tube with magnet falling through.

Willy

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2023, 02:51:48 PM »
Excellent, Novus

Although I still recomend that people see this  for their self, by direct experiment.


One   claim    of the topic, down.

The answer is that the falling magnet
                  can,
exert its own weight as a force
                  and
produce an electric current simultaneously.

However, this in itself does not give excess energy.

part 2. Can this also occur as a magnet within a wire coil ?
« Last Edit: May 09, 2023, 10:52:07 PM by Willy »

Willy

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2023, 04:37:07 PM »
It is apparent, that at least to some degree a wire coil will
produce an electric current under the conditions described.

Therefore, part 2 of the first claim  is satisfied.

It is apparent that a coil and magnet design, device or interaction
which optimizes efficiency of  that electric output is desirable.

I have given various designs for optimization, some consideration.

Design variations cannot become, need to not become, the subject
of the discussion at this time.

Anyone, PLEASE do this in another topic if you wish,
          BUT NOT HERE AT THIS TIME.

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Re: More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2023, 04:55:07 PM »
1. Assuming, but just for the sake of the discussion presently,
that the twist drive's greater than 2:1 "output" to "input"
is a reality.


EDIT

2. Given that this occurs only as a part of a cycle.

Cyclically the process is reversed and the output event then becomes the input event.

When the process is reversed, the input has a greater than a 2:1 ratio
in relationship to,  the out put. 
                   There is NO net gain in energy in a full cycling.


This kind of magnet interaction does not violate conservation.

3. A second      claim    of the twist drive's operation is satisfied.

« Last Edit: May 06, 2023, 11:06:27 PM by Willy »