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Title: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: e2matrix on September 11, 2022, 09:15:44 PM
We've seen these flywheel motor generators since Chas Campbell and some seem valid.   This one is shown in a video where he jacks up each end of the frame and passes cardboard under each foot to show there are no wires coming into it from the floor.   He starts it from wall power but once it is going full speed he plugs it into itself (looped) and he runs a number of heavy amp draw tools off of it.   


It looks real but I'm not saying there isn't some hoax to this but it's certainly an affordable device for that much power and if you are in Europe facing the energy crisis expected there in the next couple months this might be something to look into.   I believe it is in Pakistan and it is 220 volt based so it might be affordable for shipping in Europe.   I don't expect most people here looking for free energy have a lot of extra cash sitting around but maybe you know someone with a disposable income who might be willing to try this device.   I've heard electricity prices in Europe have gone up by ten times recently which would seem to make this an attractive deal if it really works.   


https://www.engrnomanshahafridi.com (https://www.engrnomanshahafridi.com)


https://www.engrnomanshahafridi.com/2022/03/12-kw-220v.html (https://www.engrnomanshahafridi.com/2022/03/12-kw-220v.html)


He also has a Google App which seems to show how to build this.   He sells the flywheel separately along with some other parts too which would seem to add some credibility to this device.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: Jimboot on September 11, 2022, 10:45:33 PM
Nomans work seems the most well put together of these devices
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: MagnaProp on September 12, 2022, 01:29:02 AM
I want to believe Nomans device is real.

From his site
Quote
"...I have sold many Free Energy Generators in different countries.
I've Visited, France, Malaysia, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, etc."


I can find several videos as far back as 2017 that show him demonstrating his devices so they have been out there for a few years now. Is it possible to locate one of these buyers and get their opinion of the device? I haven't been able to find a video from someone who purchased and received the device.





Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2022, 01:58:29 AM
Been sending this link to members to view ( globally also dropped a note to Stefan)


If it’s real …. I believe it will be possible to purchase!
Perhaps We can start to raise money ?

EDIT
Will ring tomorrow and report back !
Also call a few who may have some info on this claim !?





Respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: seychelles on September 12, 2022, 04:09:54 AM
I AM AN OPTIMIST. BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT JELL.
A TWISTED CABLE FROM THE GENERATOR THAT SUPPOSEDLY CARRIES
12 KW OF ELECTRICITY. FIRST ONE SHOULD NEVER DO THAT BECAUSE OF
ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL  AC NEGATIVE INTERACTION.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: seychelles on September 12, 2022, 04:14:03 AM
AND IT JUST HAPPEN THAT THE GENERATED OUTPUT IS IN PHASE WITH THE INPUT,
AND CALIBRATED TO 50 OR SIXTY HERTZ. AND SOME HOW CALIBRATED TO 240 VOLTS AC.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: e2matrix on September 12, 2022, 05:48:35 AM
I admit I'm still a bit skeptical mainly because I can't understand where the extra energy is coming from.   If I recall Chas Campbell and I think Jim Watson may have even built a similar one before Chas but I don't know that either of them had any explanation for where the energy comes from.  It may be from the local environment in ways traditional science hasn't figured out but it would be good to have some idea of where the energy comes from.   Somewhere in my hazy memory I think there was some ideas put out by someone about this type of device's source of power.  I'll dig around to see if I can find anything on it or maybe someone here knows some explanation.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: MagnaProp on September 12, 2022, 06:45:46 AM
Been sending this link to members to view ( globally also dropped a note to Stefan)


If it’s real …. I believe it will be possible to purchase!
Perhaps We can start to raise money ?

EDIT
Will ring tomorrow and report back !
Also call a few who may have some info on this claim !?





Respectfully
Chet K

There is a relatively inexpensive way to find out if this concept works or not. He is offering a 12 volt 15 amp version for 950 funds. He shows it being self powered in the video of the product page. If that is US 950$ then that's extremely inexpensive for a devise that works. 

I'd put in 150 US$ toward seeing if that version gets delivered. If I thought it was real I'd buy the thing outright no problem but I haven't seen any satisfied customer reviews yet so I wouldn't be holding my breath on a return for that 150$
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: Thaelin on September 12, 2022, 01:41:10 PM
No RPM monitor, no voltage or watts out. A flywheel of that size would have a real big store of energy. Shipping on a 12K would be hell. Let it run for a 24hr under load and then show it. Proof in the puddin as they say.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: indigo22 on September 12, 2022, 01:53:42 PM
I think looking at the picture it could work, the right sttup but i wouldn't buy it, i would build it with parts from the scrapyard. Way cheaper. Not so difficult sttup, you don't have 2 be a gienius to make this work. 220 volt 12Kw generator, 220 3 phase motor, and a flywheel a pullie and a belt. This wil work i think. But i am not gonna buy 1 there way cheaper and smaller machines that deliver the same amount of energy, and less noise. But he does have balls to put it on the net, wonder 4 how long and if he will survive this. If you are trying to sell some of our stuff and monitize it, you better have a whole team of security around you, otherwise this is a suicide note post.  8)
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: indigo22 on September 12, 2022, 02:01:43 PM
The principle is simple use a heavy weight flyweel. And as bedini said the energy to move that weight is differand. You do not have to lift it up and cary the load just have to tap the wheel to make it move,that way it's more efficient.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 12, 2022, 02:31:12 PM
Hello to All,

Quote
where does the energy comes from?

IMO, the center of the whole thing is about that huge flywheel...a gigantic kinetic energy storage...to the point he can afford to disconnect motor and still keeps generating power without much change in RPM's...nor Torque.

Realize the size of that flywheel...plus the fact it is mounted on a very thin shaft (related to its diameter and weight)...which must be perfectly well balanced...not an easy piece to build from scratch, first, you must have a very large Lathe to cut that size wheel.

Note the Outer mass of that flywheel, which have must of the weight concentrated on its outer circumference...this guarantee a steady torque and speed for a while, after it reaches its top-max speed (the 3 minutes initial run).

I believe it is real, however, too bulky, too spread out, plus he only uses a few hand power tools for a 12Kw generator...not a consistent High Load component, as is, an 80 gallons 15 HP Air Compressor as a simple example...and watching air pressure does not comes down, keeps steady...while just blowing air out. Conclusion: it needs much further testing which puts it at Surge (max load) or at least, very close to max load capacity...for a long while.

Related to the money, in my opinion...is too expensive...imagine the shipment cost, basically of that flywheel alone with all required mounting hardware, on top of the $4500.00...from one side of the World to the other.

While I do not think that any of the other two components (Motor and Generator) have much modifications done at all.

Just my opinion...

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
Being an international open source forum with many members !


It has always been the case that we can get persons ( members) to help
View and test ( with assistance from other members here.


Typically persons who are just harvesting money always find issues to avoid
In person testing!
(I see indigo member posting here…. already primes that pump ( excuses)


We shall see ?
Respectfully
Chet K

PS
For clarity..in person testing or verification is a resource
Which will be presented to claimant!
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ariovaldo on September 12, 2022, 04:21:16 PM
There is a relatively inexpensive way to find out if this concept works or not. He is offering a 12 volt 15 amp version for 950 funds. He shows it being self powered in the video of the product page. If that is US 950$ then that's extremely inexpensive for a devise that works. 

I'd put in 150 US$ toward seeing if that version gets delivered. If I thought it was real I'd buy the thing outright no problem but I haven't seen any satisfied customer reviews yet so I wouldn't be holding my breath on a return for that 150$


I'm in.
I can put $150 as well
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2022, 05:49:06 PM
good to see members here willing to help !
IMO
This is a win win regardless!
And a step forward for global open source FE community!


The wheels are already in motion towards a visit ( not verified yet … , it’s just the only way this makes sense when you have our global resources!


Hopefully will have info by tomorrow!


Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: kolbacict on September 12, 2022, 08:48:39 PM
And as bedini said the energy to move that weight is differand.
Energy is not needed to move the weight horizontally.
If we do not raise our mass to a higher height.
Only friction losses.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 13, 2022, 05:09:30 PM
Just a note
I engaged another open source fellow on this “”project “
I usually make calls myself, however it is good to spread things like this
Around (my opinion).


He liked the idea of in person vetting prior to purchase, …so I just asked him if he would make the
Call ,so there would not be too much sudden calls to inventor !


I will touch base with him tomorrow for update!


On another note unrelated to this device
As a result of calls I made globally on this flywheel unit!


I did get a comment on a Don Smith device ( looks Kapanadze to me ?)
I am now Asking permission to post that too !


Unit starts up ( is connected to ground)
And then inventor removes hot lead and it keeps running
While powering a load (25 watts ?


Just passing along info …
Respectfully
Chet K














Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: indigo22 on September 14, 2022, 06:57:49 AM
I think this might be bomb. And please contact him w'll be waiting 4 the reaction. Good to see everybody is posetive about this one, this is a great beginning of the new world with free energy. The possebileties are endless and the end of the new world order and their monopoly companies!! Keep praying he does not end up dead somewere or get harrest. I myself think this is easy to build with lots of power, and most parys you  might find in the scapyard.

Keep up the good work guys ;D
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: floodrod on September 14, 2022, 10:44:29 PM
My opinion means little here I understand, but I think there is no free energy here.

It takes big power to get that that flywheel moving up to speed.  When you loop it, there is enough stored energy in that big spinning mass to power drills and such for a little while as it slowly winds down.

As we all know- showing lightbulbs, drills, and loads means very little.  We need to see indisputable measurements of input watts verses output wattage.

Any claims of OU that are purely based on visual operation of loads set red flags off for me.  I feel if it were OU, the presenter would be anxious to show wattage on each side.  Or at the very least, show that RPMS are not slowing while operating a load. (or even without a load)...   Loop it unloaded and keep an RMP meter there for a few minutes..  Prove that it is not slowing..
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 15, 2022, 12:01:15 AM
Floodrod
Good to see you !

I have been hearing back from persons in that part of the world
Who are somewhat familiar with this “inventor “,


And it’s inline with your comment!
That being said ,
Looks like I will be making the call next few days to contact inventor !


The best part of this is the open source community can make in person  investigations
for purchasing these type units ( for sale)
and not have issues with the loss of funds !


In most places on the planet!


For clarity
No one is buying things that don’t work as advertised!


Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: e2matrix on September 15, 2022, 07:13:33 AM
My opinion means little here I understand, but I think there is no free energy here.

It takes big power to get that that flywheel moving up to speed.  When you loop it, there is enough stored energy in that big spinning mass to power drills and such for a little while as it slowly winds down.

As we all know- showing lightbulbs, drills, and loads means very little.  We need to see indisputable measurements of input watts verses output wattage.

Any claims of OU that are purely based on visual operation of loads set red flags off for me.  I feel if it were OU, the presenter would be anxious to show wattage on each side.  Or at the very least, show that RPMS are not slowing while operating a load. (or even without a load)...   Loop it unloaded and keep an RMP meter there for a few minutes..  Prove that it is not slowing..


floodrod,  Those are some good suggestions regarding checking the RPM's.   From the video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4w_fH4hgg


It sounded to me somewhat like the RPM's slowed under heavier loads and then sounded like it sped back up some when the load was off.   While he shows no wires coming in from the floor I do believe there are still possible ways this could be faked.   But it certainly looks to be done better than most if it is fake.   


And thanks Chet for making calls and working on getting this validated or checked to see if it is just a fake.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: seychelles on September 15, 2022, 07:20:28 AM
SO WHERE DOES HE RESIDE? PAKISTAN, INDIA OR TIMBUCKTOO.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: floodrod on September 15, 2022, 04:04:25 PM

floodrod,  Those are some good suggestions regarding checking the RPM's.   From the video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4w_fH4hgg

It sounded to me somewhat like the RPM's slowed under heavier loads and then sounded like it sped back up some when the load was off.   While he shows no wires coming in from the floor I do believe there are still possible ways this could be faked.   But it certainly looks to be done better than most if it is fake.   

I see what you are saying..  The video is indeed long enough to notice slow-down if it was happening.  It wouldn't have sped back up when load was taken off if it was under-unity.

But as you and others have pointed out-  the questions are "is it faked" and where is the energy coming from. 
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: floodrod on September 15, 2022, 04:22:26 PM
Perhaps it is something interesting..  Here is a video with some calculations and a simple setup showing that any rotor with mass is actually overunity..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYw6tScZ7t8

The kinetic energy being stored is producing more mechanical work than the input power calculates to. The problem comes when trying to convert that mechanical energy back to electrical energy because of good ole Lenz..

Maybe flywheel kinetic storage and Lenz back EMF are not linked..  Meaning it may be possible to gain more from a huge flywheel than what back EMF takes away.  Something to definitely experiment with!

I have parts for a simple setup to experiment with..  2 identical PM motors with a heavy flywheel between.. 
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: partzman on September 15, 2022, 05:57:40 PM
Perhaps it is something interesting..  Here is a video with some calculations and a simple setup showing that any rotor with mass is actually overunity..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYw6tScZ7t8

The kinetic energy being stored is producing more mechanical work than the input power calculates to. The problem comes when trying to convert that mechanical energy back to electrical energy because of good ole Lenz..

Maybe flywheel kinetic storage and Lenz back EMF are not linked..  Meaning it may be possible to gain more from a huge flywheel than what back EMF takes away.  Something to definitely experiment with!

I have parts for a simple setup to experiment with..  2 identical PM motors with a heavy flywheel between..

I find this video very interesting as I'm working on a solution to nearly eliminate the Lenz effect in a PM generator and still produce an energy output.  The stored energy in a flywheel is a perfect solution in this case.  More later on this.

Reqards,
Pm
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: Void on September 15, 2022, 08:35:42 PM
The problem I see with these heavy flywheel electric motor type devices is they typically don't
let them run long enough in the videos. A really heavy flywheel will store up a lot of energy
when it is really wound up to speed, and it can take a relatively long time for the energy
stored up in the heavy flywheel to be fully dissipated. A short video demonstration (aside from other
possible trickery) typically does not allow enough time to be sure the energy stored up in the
flywheel has enough time to dissipate. At any rate, any video demo can easily be using tricks of
various types, so videos are just not reliable. If this man really has a working free energy device, bringing a
smaller model device to a reputable university and letting them fully observe and test it would be a reasonable thing to do.
Someone posting videos on their webpage or on Youtube tells you nothing about whether the device
might really work or not. You always need reputable third party testing. That's my point of view, anyway.  :)

Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: floodrod on September 15, 2022, 10:04:37 PM
I made my 1st crude test rig..  No overunity to report yet :-\ :-\ :-\

I also played with different size gear ratios..  Granted this is not the most elegant design- but the flywheel should be heavy enough for these motors..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxDK8qD_6mg
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: kolbacict on September 16, 2022, 08:00:10 AM
We tried done this. Turned out nothing.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: indigo22 on September 16, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
Rewire the 3 phase motor collect back emf  ;D
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: partzman on September 16, 2022, 04:45:17 PM
The flywheel alone is not the solution as Lenz is present in both the motor and especially the generator.  To utilize the stored energy in the rotating mass of the flywheel, the Lenz effect in the generator must be reduced or eliminated and at the same time, output energy must be produced.  In any given simple two winding transformer, the Lenz effect on the primary from the secondary can be nearly reduced to zero with a constant current or constant voltage load on the secondary.

See the attached paper for the solution with the former.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: floodrod on September 16, 2022, 07:59:19 PM
The flywheel alone is not the solution as Lenz is present in both the motor and especially the generator.  To utilize the stored energy in the rotating mass of the flywheel, the Lenz effect in the generator must be reduced or eliminated and at the same time, output energy must be produced.  In any given simple two winding transformer, the Lenz effect on the primary from the secondary can be nearly reduced to zero with a constant current or constant voltage load on the secondary.

See the attached paper for the solution with the former.

Nice paper....  I am trying to simulate how this would be configured on a magnet generator.

I made a little video of a crappy transformer and a signal generator..  Is this the idea?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlkxNxj8wnw

As for configuration- the pic below shows what I kinda did.  But the rotor was a signal generator.  A random resistor seemed to work well.  If this is correct, perhaps just a potentiometer hooked up to the secondary so it can be easily tuned to get the most out without advanced calculations?

OR it is entirely possible I got it all messed up..  Hence why I am asking..  if so- (please excuse my ignorance) ;)
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: e2matrix on September 16, 2022, 08:23:20 PM
It may be worth noting that he is selling a 'modified motor' and a 'modified generator' on his website.  If this flywheel generator is overunity I suspect the modified motor and generator are part of why it does work.
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: ramset on September 16, 2022, 08:35:57 PM
Just a note
Still trying to connect with inventor about allowing
on-site independent investigation of running unit under loads. !( at his place or ?)


Sometimes these things take a bit of time !
I expect this coming week to have an answer one way or the other !



Respectfully
Chet k
Title: Re: 12 Kilowatt Free Energy motor generator for sale $4500
Post by: partzman on September 16, 2022, 09:13:10 PM
Nice paper....  I am trying to simulate how this would be configured on a magnet generator.

I made a little video of a crappy transformer and a signal generator..  Is this the idea?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlkxNxj8wnw

As for configuration- the pic below shows what I kinda did.  But the rotor was a signal generator.  A random resistor seemed to work well.  If this is correct, perhaps just a potentiometer hooked up to the secondary so it can be easily tuned to get the most out without advanced calculations?

OR it is entirely possible I got it all messed up..  Hence why I am asking..  if so- (please excuse my ignorance) ;)

Thanks.  The concept may take some time to fully understand so below I've included a copy of a post I made on OUR below in answer to a question about how to produce power from a constant current load.  I hope it helps.  The key is to see "why" a constant current load or IOW, a load in which the current does not materially change, reduces the Lenz effect.  In the example I gave in the paper, the constant current load was an inductor which over a short period of time [relative to the inductance] will appear as a constant current source or sink.

"The attached scope pix is a demo of a simple circuit that includes a rectangular flat air coil L1 with an inductance of 43uH connected in series with a cored inductor Lcc having 24.7mH of inductance.  There is a bias constant current through this network that equals 102.6ma.  I then have passed the north pole face of a rectangular ferrite PM across 1/2 of L1 the air coil to produce the current waveform seen.  This could be considered somewhat equivalent to Holcomb's planar design except the air coil or stator has no core.

When I physically moved the PM in this case, I did not have adequate control to freeze the current or induced H-field at the peak.  However, with electronic control, this would be possible.  If so, then we can take a look at the energy levels of this simple circuit.

For simplicity we will ignore the energy in L1 as it averages only 260nJ.  Therefore, the starting energy in Lcc is ULcc_start = (.1026^2)*.0247 = 130uJ and the theoretical ending energy in Lcc is
ULcc_end = (.1214^2)*.0247 = 182uJ.  This is an apparent gain of 182/130 = 1.4 .

The point of this is that we have replaced the transformer primary induction source with a moving PM source which we will finally replace with a moving electromagnetic source with hopefully the same results!

Pm "

In my first attempt to realize this concept, I will use a U8 Pro 3-phase drone motor as the generator driven by a standard 30w PM motor without a flywheel.  The U8 will have a switched large value inductor to act as the cc load and will be repetitively charged by the U8 and discharged into a DC supply.  The hope is to see a gain even without the flywheel.  If this works, the gains seen with a flywheel should be quite large.

Pm