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SolarLab

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2023, 05:58:23 PM »
Hi Julian,
There was interest but lack of understanding why you ignore my simple request. I assumed you had done the test and realized true result. So again, please do the following test. Thanks in advance.
bi
Do your own tests - that is, if you can figure out how to do that...


JulesP

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2023, 06:03:45 PM »
I will look into it if it fits with my current program of work and developments. I think at the time it didn't.

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2023, 06:35:05 PM »
I will look into it if it fits with my current program of work and developments. I think at the time it didn't.

Thanks for the reply. Please seriously consider it. You have the apparatus and it would only take a few hours. And doesn't require undivided attention.
bi

JulesP

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2023, 07:51:55 PM »
I already have data that shows the CoP<1 for the battery with my current setup. I will post some tomorrow. Also bear in mind that in deriving the total CoP you have to include the rotor (if you have one) and any extraction system as well. The cap dump output would be part of the battery result.

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bistander

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2023, 08:22:31 PM »
I already have data that shows the CoP<1 for the battery with my current setup. I will post some tomorrow. ...

J

That's news to me. I was under the impression that you interpreted your testing and theory that you had overunity, meaning more real output energy than input or somehow able to capture and use "free" energy to do useful work, ie. COP > 1. If you are now saying that it was not, then no need for the test. It would only reinforce what we know.
Thanks. bi

JulesP

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2023, 08:24:19 PM »
It’s a bit more complicated than that. I will give more info tomorrow

JulesP

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2023, 10:19:09 AM »
SUMMARY UPDATE


Hi all,

What follows is a summary of some of the data and developments from recent months to give a general picture regarding power performance. By that I mean seeing what happens under load (but without any additional external load) rather than with just voltages, as used in all my earlier CoP tests.

Looking at the first graphic (Fig 1), the setup here is with HV pulses going directly to the receiving battery and the supply and receiving battery being automatically swapped every 10mins. The battery being monitored by the CBA is battery 2.

The top section of the graphic shows battery 2 being charged initially for 10mins before then becoming the supply battery. The swap cycle was repeated three times and then the device turned off. As annotated, when battery 2 becomes the supply, with each cycle, its voltage drops a little lower under load, and also when being pulse charged, it does not quite reach back up to where it was on the previous swap cycle. However, when switched off and allow to recover, the battery ends up at the original starting voltage.

This suggests that there is some ‘compensating’ influx to offset the inevitable losses in the circuit.

The lower half of this graphic shows what happens when the same process and cycles are used, but during the charging phases, the pulses are turned off. So battery 2 being monitored is showing the supply stages, as before, but this time there are no pulses being received to provide charging. This then is like a control experiment and the resulting overall small voltage drop suggests that the pulses do in fact make a difference.

The second graphic (Fig 2) brings together two plots and shows a similar outcome. The red line is with the HV pulses being applied and the green line with no pulses during the charging phases. My interpretation of this is that, since the red plot shows the resulting voltage drop after testing is zero, then it is reasonable to conclude that any energy influx occurring during the charging phases is enough to offset the power draw during the supply stages, calculated to be 9.5W.

So this for me is good evidence that something is happening but it is not a strong enough effect yet to match the projected outcomes of Bedini and others regarding charging voltages in particular.

When it comes to using a cap dump circuit, the results are less positive.

Fig 3 shows six swap cycles of 3min each using 53mF storage caps producing discharges at a frequency of 0.468Hz. As you can see there is a gradual reduction in the voltage of battery 2 in that it does not receive enough input during its charging phase to offset its output during its supply stage.

So this I see as evidence that no ‘radiant’ effects overall are occurring when using the cap dump circuit, accepting the fact that the CD circuit’s role is to convert ‘cold’ electricity into ‘hot’ electricity. So here any energy influx that might be occurring in and around the coil is not sufficient to translate to the storage capacitor and then on to the battery.

So I would say the evidence is mixed but indicates promise. Also, we must bear in mind that JB did not advocate battery swapping and that once a battery had been exposed to radiant energy, then its use as a supply source would damage components. And yet Babcock uses a 3min swapping process with his system, keeping his two batteries in what he refers to as an ‘entropy free’ state, and he then extracts useful energy from his rotor (250W he claims).

The fact that my swapping does not destroy any components might be seen as additional evidence that radiant energy effects, while being hinted at, are not strongly present at the moment.

Since I came to this research from a different direction than many have and never built an original SG or SSG device, I am going to make some reversible adaptations to my setup to test the original JB design to try and observe some ‘radiant’ effects. I can then work back up toward my current setup. This should allow me to determine the crucial factors for radiant charging and what blocks or limits it.

Furthermore, I am going to try a low-sided cap dump unit instead of the high-sided one I designed (required because of the swapping arrangement I used) as well as allow for various wiring configurations to be used and compared. My setup has always been a ‘common ground’ setup but I have observed an 80% reduction in supply current when using the ‘classic SG’ configuration. The various configurations are shown in Fig 4.

Other developments have included the use of pulse combining where a capacitor discharge is accompanied by a short burst of HV pulses (Fig 5). This requires a dedicated relay system but the results so far are only marginally better than with discharges only. However, once clear radiant effects are observed, then this may make a much bigger contribution. Additionally, I am starting to use up to 4.5kV pulses with the IXYH30N450HV (IGBT) to see how that changes things and also developing an induction-based rotor extraction system to feed some rotor energy back into the receiving battery (Fig 6).

Another point of interest is that those who have observed radiant charging report that the receiving battery will easily reach voltages topping out at about 16.5V. The fact that mine never go above about 13V suggests that I’m not ‘fishing in the deep pool’ yet. The prospect of reaching these higher voltages suggests that using the Faraday constant alone, in determining the standard voltage of a lead acid cell (2.05V), is fundamentally wrong and needs to include other factors in the context of vacuum energy input (or from wherever).

My recent work with other parties that have indeed been ‘deep sea fishing’ for years now, gives me hope that I will get to that stage in the near future. I will chart the journey and, as with the first manual I completed in February, I will update it with material making it possible for others to achieve the same, while at the same time not infringing on their specific intellectual property for their patented applications.

The other document I will soon prepare is one describing how to measure the various outputs from a device, that is from the receiving battery, any rotor and energy extraction system, and the cap dump unit, as mentioned in an earlier post. The SG-2 book addressed it built I feel more detail is required, and with examples.

So there you have a catch-up summary, but which I am not getting into too much debate about it here. The reason I post on the other forum more is that there is actual replication going on of my earlier work based on the manual I released.

I quite understand why others will want to wait until there are clear positive results. There is no need for everyone to go through all the ‘failure’ stages too. As a scientist who will be feeding into the mainstream peer review process, that is important for me to be able to experience what works, what doesn’t, and why, but others have no need to.

With that in mind then, it's a game of patience and perseverance. I have spent five years on this so far and I fully expect to spend another couple of years; but the pace at which I am approaching the stage of ‘success’, that so many are also waiting for, is actually accelerating, so I am increasingly optimistic!

It is quite significant that the reports I have put up on ResearchGate, the international networking site for scientists and researchers, have reached a combined 300 reads. Clearly, there are others in the wider arena who are interested or curious.

Julian

PS Please excuse the large graphics - I'm used the size required on a different site :)

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Re: An energy harvesting project
« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2023, 03:21:10 PM »
Hi Julian,

Thanks very much for that detailed summary of progress. Wish you well with taking that forward and will watch with keen interest.

After your earlier reply I went over and spent a couple of hours reading the long form of all that on the other site and will watch there also. As you say, more activity in replicating your work there so the pooled activity will hopefully bear fruit.

All the best,
D2