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Title: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: onepower on August 05, 2022, 01:39:39 AM
This is a thread dedicated to the working theory of the Holcomb device and others related to it.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: onepower on August 05, 2022, 02:30:11 AM
Here is the gauge by which any real theory should be debated....https://blog.dtssydney.com/richard-feynmans-principles-of-scientific-thinking
Quote
The Feynman Principles:

   "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."
    "Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty — some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain."
    "Permit us to question — to doubt — to not be sure."
    "Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"
    "There is one feature I notice that is generally missing in cargo cult science (junk science) … It's a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty."
    "If you're doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid — not only what you think is right about it."
    "Scientific knowledge is an enabling power to do either good or bad — but it does not carry instructions on how to use it."
    "If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming 'This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!' we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination."
    "We make no apologies for making these excursions into other fields, because the separation of fields, as we have emphasised, is merely a human convenience, and an unnatural thing. Nature is not interested in our separations, and many of the interesting phenomena bridge the gaps between fields."
    "Mathematics is not just a language. Mathematics is a language plus reasoning. It's like a language plus logic. Mathematics is a tool for reasoning."
    "I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something."
    "The real problem in speech is not precise language. The problem is clear language."
    "The only way to have real success in science, the field I’m familiar with, is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be."
    "And therefore when we go to investigate we shouldn’t pre-decide what it is we are trying to do except to find out more about it."
    "The exception tests the rule."
    "That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong."

AC
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: SolarLab on August 05, 2022, 04:14:48 AM
AC and Wesley,

You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development. No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either. 

Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least. 

I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic. 

Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not.  :'(   

Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo!

Take care, and have a good one...

SL



Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: kolbacict on August 05, 2022, 12:24:09 PM
Why are you upset, make double Milkovich pendulums, they promise a 12-fold increase. :D
But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Goat on August 06, 2022, 03:58:34 AM
Why are you upset, make double Milkovich pendulums, they promise a 12-fold increase. :D
But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?
After looking at https://vimeo.com/675304867 (https://vimeo.com/675304867) at 2:00 minutes they show a test tube filled with a fluid showing the spin of the magnetic field, it doesn't seem to be spinning as fast as the speed of light or beyond. 

PG
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: citfta on August 06, 2022, 12:22:47 PM

But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?


How do you propose to spin the field faster than the speed of light?  You obviously can't move a magnet faster than the speed of light.  And you can't make the electrons in a wire move faster than the speed of light so how can you move a magnetic field faster than the speed of light?  Do you even know how fast light moves?


Carroll
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: kolbacict on August 06, 2022, 02:20:47 PM
Let's say the stator (or rotor) winding is three-phase, and the phase shift between currents in adjacent phases will be 10 ns (120 degrees). In this case, we obtain the frequency of the supply current 33.333 MHz (period duration 30 ns). To obtain a superluminal speed of rotation of the field, it is necessary that the diameter of the rotor be at least 2.865 meters.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: onepower on August 09, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Did a little math on the Holcomb device...

Suppose we have three coil(s) sets and each of said coil set can operate over a given range of frequencies in order to produce X result. Let's say a frequency range of 100kHz for each coil set in large 1kHz increments and only one combination will produce the desired result. We now have 27 million possible combination and this is only if the coil windings, geometry, orientation, core material, core geometry etc... are all correct. So we could throw in maybe 100 more variables which is a major understatement and were now at only 2.7 billion possible combinations.

A person could start guessing however if we were to take one guess every minute it would take us around 85 years or a lifetime. Which may explain why most of the FE inventors who had success spent a lifetime looking for answers. This is why theory is so important to separate the wheat from the chaff and increase our odds of success.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Lunkster on August 09, 2022, 07:45:42 PM
Did a little math on the Holcomb device...

Suppose we have three coil(s) sets and each of said coil set can operate over a given range of frequencies in order to produce X result. Let's say a frequency range of 100kHz for each coil set in large 1kHz increments and only one combination will produce the desired result. We now have 27 million possible combination and this is only if the coil windings, geometry, orientation, core material, core geometry etc... are all correct. So we could throw in maybe 100 more variables which is a major understatement and were now at only 2.7 billion possible
combinations.

A person could start guessing however if we were to take one guess every minute it would take us around 85 years or a lifetime. Which may explain why most of the FE inventors who had success spent a lifetime looking for answers. This is why theory is so important to separate the wheat from the chaff and increase our odds of success.

Regards
AC

In the aerospace industry, the flight envelope has an infinite flight conditions for the operation
of the products.  We would test a limited set of parameters for the qualification tests that
would cover the most critical parts of the flight envelope.

When you look up parameters of electrical devises, the parameters are displayed
usually in lines that are generated from a few data points compared to all the
possible data points for that parameter.

So, development of FE devices should be tested the same way.
Test the parameters that could cause the most changes in the devices output first.
From the graph, move to the best operating point for that parameter and then go to the next parameter.

Now this is why it is important to create as much adjustability in the physical components
in the prototype so that you do not need so many different prototype builds.

Now with that being said,  Most of the best FE concepts have taken several years to get
to a manufacturable design.  Even then a lot of them are never seen again for different reasons.

Now as you go through the prototype build, it is good to think about how you can
use as many off the shelf components as you can in the design for the final prototype.

In larger companies you have several groups working together to bring products
to the customers.

How can FE people work together to speed up the process of OU devices.
FE development the way it currently is has a lot of disadvantages to it.

How can it be improved?

Lunkster

Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 10, 2022, 02:39:48 PM
AC and Wesley,

You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development. No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either. 

Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least. 

I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic. 

Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not.  :'(   

Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo!

Take care, and have a good one...

SL
Don't believe that and don't give up. Holcomb is very similar to what Figuera invented, Figuera describes the purpose of the moving field: to emulate relative MOVEMENT without movement so back-mmf from load current has no back-torque effect since it's solid state (his own explanation). The one who came up with speed of light rotation talked bogus. 

When you move a wire through an even magnetic field, nothing varies but location and charges in the wire do separate which can be defined as an EMF that has the potential to pump a current. No abstraction of changing flux through enclosed surface area, in Holcomb the flux moves, rotates, but  the rate of change of the number of  flux-lines seems cancelled because of the symmetry of the magnets.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2022, 03:27:50 PM
Lunkster
How can it be improved ?


One independently verified true anomalous gain mechanism will
Move the open source community from chaos to coordination!


There are plenty of pots on the fire ( which is good if people share good or bad
Results)
Transparent Empirical testing of claims is our strength..
And the only way to move forward ( instead of looping failures .
Verifiable replication!
That is the open source communities  Gatekeeper !


Respectfully
Chet K
PS to Alan above
You write as if you have an understanding which
You have not shown?
And make accusations as if there is some purposeful
Hindrance?
Here a builder can grab a bench ( topic board)
And be his own gatekeeper!


The floor is yours for proving ( verifiable bench tests
 No one will stop you !
And if it’s a verifiable result ( here there are thousands who would bring that focus the lunkster
Says we are lacking!
A win win for humanity!!
PPS
Why do you also bring old posts up past recent good events?
Member JimBoot is building Solarlabs claims
AND
Is now moderator of Holcomb topic here ?
See post 1341


https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569873/#new (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569873/#new)


You have some confusing narrative of division?















Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 10, 2022, 03:57:40 PM
My main point was the comparability of HES to Figuera which Marathonman has succesfully replicated, because he was convinced by someone that it is all fake.

This is almost the same as HES, he also closes the loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNBP7-QbI0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNBP7-QbI0)
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CLEMENTE FIGUERA PATENT (1902) No. 30375 (SPAIN) NEW PROCEDURE FOR OBTAINING ELECTRICAL CURRENTS IN GENERAL AND APPLICABLE TO INDUSTRIAL USES DESCRIPTION All systems adopted, until the present, to produce electric currents, are based on the well known principle that, when a core of soft iron which approach or moves away from a magnet is magnetized and demagnetized do appear induced current in any copper wire which is coiled in said core. This is the fundamental principle of the Clarke machine, of the company "The Alliance", and the current dynamos, which, like all others, are machines to transform mechanical force into electricity. In all of them, the magnetizations and successive demagnetizations of the core or cores is achieved approaching and moving away these permanent magnets or electromagnets, called excitatory. Those who sign, have devised a new method or process for producing magnetic changes in the core, and this procedure consists of making intermittent or alternating the current which drives the excitatory electromagnets, in which case neither the nuclei, nor the induced circuit need to be moved at all. The whole question comes down to change the state of magnetization of the cores, so that electrical currents could appear in the induced wire. Until now, this result is achieved by making the core or cores approaching or moving from the magnetic centers created by the excitatory electromagnets. We, through an intermittent or alternating electric current achieve a variation in the magnetic state of the cores of the excitatory electromagnets, and also changing, the magnetic state of the cores on which the induced circuit is coiled, where electric currents appear ready to be industrially exploited. As the soft iron core of a dynamo becomes a real magnet from the time when current flow along the wire of the induced circuit, we think that this core must be formed or constituted by a group of real electromagnets, properly built to develop the highest possible attractive force, and without taking into account the conditions to be fitted in the induced circuit, which is completely independent of the core. The procedure is thus reduced to establish an independent induced circuit, within the sphere of action or magnetic atmosphere formed between the magnetic pole faces, of opposite name, of two electromagnets, or series of electromagnets driven by intermittent or alternating currents. In the current dynamos, the coils of the induced circuit cut the force lines which go from the faces of the excitatory electromagnets to the core; in our procedure, the same lines of force, which are born and die cross through the coils on the induced. The novelty of our procedure is as follows:
1. In that, you do not need to use any driving force, since the machines built according to these principles will not act as transformers of work into electricity.2. In that, until the present, none has tried to change, at industrial scale, from zero, the magnetic power of the excitatory magnets or electromagnets of a running machine. Note: for which the patent is filed: Procedure to achieve electric currents, establishing a motionless and independent induced circuit, within the sphere of action or magnetic atmosphere formed between the magnetic pole faces of two excitatory electromagnets, or series of motionless electromagnets, powered by intermittent or alternate currents. Madrid, the 2nd of September, 1902. Signed: Clemente Figuera.


PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns, while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one. Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as when, this circuit being still and motionless, the magnetic field is increased and reduced in intensity; since any variation , occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical induced current .It was considered the possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the electrical current which produces it.


Normal generators and dynamos convert mechanical energy into electrical energy, motionless generators like this manifest electrical energy.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2022, 04:31:19 PM
Pierre had no independent replication of his “closes the loop”


In this forum are 10’s of thousands of hours
Of combined efforts to replicate!
None successful!
EDIT

AND FOR CLARITY
Persons were in contact working with Pierre !!

—///—//:::

I know marathonman was trying for many years,
Now you have written he succeeded?
Here is my Email Chetkremens@gmail.com
Send it to him !


I might have his contact somewhere ,it has been a long time
and I know his heart is in the right place !
Or it’s just another unreplicated claim which may or
May not be measurement error !


Independent replication/verification is the only
Path forward for the open source community!


Too many false claims abound !
And the price we pay while others play children’s games ??











Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 10, 2022, 04:36:44 PM
Pierre himself did close the loop. :) 
Part 2/4 to 4/4: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvSe4GOz0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvSe4GOz0A) 
Closing the loop: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp2VJkT76E&t=573s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp2VJkT76E&t=573s)   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968Pwkmy-bo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968Pwkmy-bo) 

Marathonman's forum: 
https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/board/5/clemente-figuera-board (https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/board/5/clemente-figuera-board)
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2022, 04:47:33 PM
This pmgripphone is here somewhere at open source
Forums
I noticed he recently joined Peter’s open source forum!( Overunityresearch.com)


Alan
Thanks I will try to reach out to Marathon man


Chet
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 10, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: kolbacict on August 10, 2022, 05:11:16 PM
Which may explain why most of the FE inventors who had success spent a lifetime looking for answers.
And finally we go to the grave, without finding the answer.  :D
Quote
Жизнь как рояль,клавиша черная,клавиша белая. потом крышка(dead).
 Михаил Жванецкий.(outstanding Soviet humorist.)
Quote
Жизнь как зебра,полоса белая,полоса черная.А дальше?
А дальше жопа.(anecdote)
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2022, 05:12:03 PM
Alan
I am contacting Pierre replicators or associates
Whom last I heard were not successful!


Would be incredibly happy to update a success


Also
Marathon man forum?
Spent many attempts to register just now
No user name would go through ?
Seems a problem with service provider ( his “anti bot “ vetting machine)
Please send him my email

Thanks

Chetkremens@gmail.com
EDIT
for comment below
I tried dozens of renderings
I will try again
Redid process and it worked ( no spaces)
Thanks
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 10, 2022, 05:21:34 PM
Try a usename without spaces.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2022, 05:36:46 PM
Pierre himself did close the loop. :) 
Part 2/4 to 4/4: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvSe4GOz0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvSe4GOz0A) 
Closing the loop: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp2VJkT76E&t=573s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp2VJkT76E&t=573s)   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968Pwkmy-bo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968Pwkmy-bo) 

Marathonman's forum: 
https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/board/5/clemente-figuera-board (https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/board/5/clemente-figuera-board)


A repost for perspective on above exchange ( sorry for not including in my above post)


Chet K
Edit
Alan are you able to post link to self running marathon man Device ?
I presumed it would be top of page at Forum you linked to ?
Sorry as I am unable to find it !
Thanks 👍
EDIT #2 (I see screaming fisherman machine gun posting below ??)
Anyhow!
*Alan
Also the above you tube vids are reposts of Pierre’s work
Without his permission??
And still no Replication (I am told !)
Yes there are comments how Holcomb resembles Pierre build ?

Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: onepower on August 10, 2022, 07:13:10 PM
alan
Quote
Pierre himself did close the loop. :)
Part 2/4 to 4/4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvSe4GOz0A
Closing the loop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp2VJkT76E&t=573s   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968Pwkmy-bo 

That's an interesting setup similar to the Holcomb device and seems to have the right design elements.

For example, generally all of our circuits are based on lumped sums and uniformity. It is habitual behavior based on what we were taught and the science we know. So when we go to build a motor or generator we lump all the coils together then connect them to a common circuit in series or parallel. We tend to lump everything together and make it uniform because that's what science did and the people who created the science, ergo habitual behavior.

In fact, I'm always catching myself at the bench asking "what am I doing?", I'm simply repeating what others do without even thinking about it or questioning why. I know what I'm doing doesn't have a hope in hell of working because everyone else is doing it yet there I am repeating it.

I like these videos because most people would tell him he's doing everything wrong and wasting his time yet there he is apparently closing the loop. There may be something to this because I also got much better results by doing everything wrong...

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: seychelles on August 10, 2022, 08:46:34 PM
STUFF CAN MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT. OTHER WISE WE COULD NOT GET AN ATOMIC BOMB.
E= MC SQUARE.  TWO STUFFS COLLIDING INTO EACH OTHER EACH TRAVELING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS EQUAL
C SQUARE. SO THE INNER CORE OF THE HOLCOMB AND THE OUTER CORE ARE THE MODULATOR AND THE CORE IN
BETWEEN THE TWO IS THE OUTPUT CURE. LET US SAY THAT TH INNER MODULATOR CORE MAGNETIC FIELD IS ROTATING
CLOCKWISE AND THE OUTER CORE IS ANTICLOCKWISE THEN SHAZMAM C SQUARE HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE CORE.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: seychelles on August 10, 2022, 08:47:33 PM
A LITTLE JUMPING KABOSOTER TOLD ME SO.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: seychelles on August 10, 2022, 08:52:20 PM
TO TEST THIS IDEA BUILD TWO OF AS PER THIS UTUBE. THEN
SHAZAM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po-yib77vgA&t=192s
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: seychelles on August 10, 2022, 09:06:10 PM
FOR ANY PERMANENT MAGNET OR ELECTROMAGNET TO EXHIBIT  ELECTROMAGNETISM, MOST OF THE SPINNING ELECTRONS AND THE REST OF THE CORE OF THE MAGNET IS IN RESONANCE WITH ETHER. HENCE THE ETHER IS INDUCED INTO A VORTEX SPIN OF NORTH AND SOUTH SPINNING AT OPPOSING SPEED OF LIGHT WHICH EQUAL TO TWICE THE SPEED OF LIGHT AROUND THE MAGNET OR ELECTROMAGNET. A MAGNET IS ACTUALLY AN ETHER LENS. IT FOCUS
THE ETHER INTO A VORTEX WHICH WE CLASSIFIED AS MAGNETISM.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 11, 2022, 01:08:43 AM
alan
That's an interesting setup similar to the Holcomb device and seems to have the right design elements.

Hello AC Cowboy... :)

Is not just "similar" it is based exactly on the same Theory...Rotating the Magnetic Field...not as Sophisticated as HES, because using relays...and a cheap Arduino Microprocessor...however, Pierre is reusing the BEMF to refill the Ultracaps, not the cause of OU here...

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: SolarLab on August 11, 2022, 04:55:36 AM

Hope this is somewhat useful, or at least interesting; and it's in the right thread (they change around a bit).

Checked the DZ_Gen archive and found about 2.6Gb of data. Too much to post here - but there were two
"NOTES" files that are attached and some of the links appear to still work (these are likely still in the old threads).
 ------------------------------------------------------

A quote from Pierre via Luc:

 https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg518854/#msg518854 (https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg518854/#msg518854)

I received a very bad message from Pierre:

it only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage with it as there's something else I kept secret. It's like an engine with no pistons, it won't start. It's the same thing for the dz generator, the important thing is not what we see but rather what you don't see.

I have seen too many people who want to take credit in my place. So my contribution stops here. You'll have to discover the rest on your own. I can tell you it's not easy to achieve, it took me nearly 2 years to find the solution as rotation is only one aspect of the dz, it's really more complicated than that. 

At least people will be able to learn how to rotate a magnetic field but it will stop there, they won't get the result I have.
I even still have issues to fix but I think I can solve everything with my second prototype that's presently being built and will take several months. It all need to be started from the beginning, new circuit, new more powerful coils and a new sequence program that looks to be complicated.   

So I wish you the best of luck with the continuation and beware of those who try to keep the information for themselves and don't reveal anything else. I wonder why, humm
When I've applied for a patent I can show you the rest of the version 2 dz generator but not before. Thank you.

================= on or about 25 March 2018 ==========
Well, that's unfortunate to loose Pierre's trust. I knew something was up but I didn't want to alarm the group. I thought once we had this new moderated topic and Pierre could see we are serious researchers and truly want to work together with him to understand the effect and then further improve it, in time would come to understand that Erfinder's information was all a purposeful sabotage to stop the research.
I'm quite sure Pierre has lost trust in me (mentioning Patent) with all the misinformation Erfinder posted about me in the first topic which none of it was translated and if Pierre used google translate that would causes even more confusion as it does a really bad job from English to French.
What Erfinder did It's an old tactic call divide and conquer.  You must all remember how Arron did the same thing to get Eric Dollard to himself.
Anyways, what can we do other then move forward with what we have. Maybe if Pierre sees we don't give up and work together he will understand that all that was misinformation purposely done to divide us so we give up and go our separate ways.
So, the question now is will you guys let that happen?  or will we stay and work together?
Please post your truthful replies as I'm sure Pierre is reading what's going on.

Kind regards Luc

-----------------------------------------

Nice part is we can now simulate this device for varification or to discover the "not seen" "missing pistons"   ;)   

Pierre also mentioned somewhere about having only 4 poles instead of the current 6 in his second generation build - easy to test!
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: lota on August 11, 2022, 07:48:39 AM

Hello
you can't put the files on the Internet. Then you can download it.
Greeting
Lota
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 11, 2022, 02:36:41 PM
@Solar Lab

Thanks, great find!
However, most of it is on that Moderated Thread by Luc (https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/).

Also you could access all Pierre Cotnoir posts by searching Member: pedro1 All Posts (https://overunity.com/profile/pedro1.106067/area/showposts/)
It is also very interesting...

Now, my opinion about Pierre comment below on the DZ Generator:

Quote
if only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage with it as there's something else I kept secret. It's like an engine with no pistons, it won't start. It's the same thing for the dz generator, the important thing is not what we see but rather what you don't see.

False, I have no problems at all to reach higher Voltages than Input...the problem lays on boosting Amperage above Input Amps, while keeping the higher voltage. (I do have a point where I boost Amperage above Input Amps, however, Voltage drops to mV...that is the "anomaly" I was referring to before)

Related to Pierre Cotnoir (pedro1) getting ANY Patent on his Generator...It is not going to be an "easy, piece of cake"...He will have Holcomb's Patents which are already granted...and ALL relates to the exact Field of Invention...

So, All Holcomb Patents will come up in the first search any USPTO Examiner do, or even any Patent Attorney He hires, must first do a FULL SEARCH, of any other Patent which is on the similar fields...and that will automatically call for a DENIAL of Cotnoir Patent.

Also SL, and unfortunately, I do not think any simulation will reveal the so called "missing pistons" he mentions as an example, about his "not revealed secrets"...

Regards
 
Ufopolitcs


Edit 1: I do not see that "secret" example as "an engine without pistons"...but, as an engine with everything on it...except there is a "pressure leak" on the pistons compression chambers...it will not start, no matter how much you crank it...just because higher pressures will not be achieved....just a bit more "technical".
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: SolarLab on August 11, 2022, 06:08:12 PM
@Solar Lab

Thanks, great find!
However, most of it is on that Moderated Thread by Luc (https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/).

Also you could access all Pierre Cotnoir posts by searching Member: pedro1 All Posts (https://overunity.com/profile/pedro1.106067/area/showposts/)
It is also very interesting...

Now, my opinion about Pierre comment below on the DZ Generator:

False, I have no problems at all to reach higher Voltages than Input...the problem lays on boosting Amperage above Input Amps, while keeping the higher voltage. (I do have a point where I boost Amperage above Input Amps, however, Voltage drops to mV...that is the "anomaly" I was referring to before)

Related to Pierre Cotnoir (pedro1) getting ANY Patent on his Generator...It is not going to be an "easy, piece of cake"...He will have Holcomb's Patents which are already granted...and ALL relates to the exact Field of Invention...

So, All Holcomb Patents will come up in the first search any USPTO Examiner do, or even any Patent Attorney He hires, must first do a FULL SEARCH, of any other Patent which is on the similar fields...and that will automatically call for a DENIAL of Cotnoir Patent.

Also SL, and unfortunately, I do not think any simulation will reveal the so called "missing pistons" he mentions as an example, about his "not revealed secrets"...

Regards
 
Ufopolitcs


Edit 1: I do not see that "secret" example as "an engine without pistons"...but, as an engine with everything on it...except there is a "pressure leak" on the pistons compression chambers...it will not start, no matter how much you crank it...just because higher pressures will not be achieved....just a bit more "technical".


Hi Ufopolitics,

Looked at the Amps vs Voltage early on - using the "flat, so called LinGen" (4-N & 4-S) per module: modules were stacked in
series and/or parallel to to meet the various output requirements. Each module's output is independant, like battery cells; even
if the input pulses share driver sources. They are synchronized, much like paralleling ICE Inverter Generators. This is a big
advantage over the round rotating field housing. Easier to stack and fabricate as well.

Start-up (initial or after a long storage cycle) might be done using a "shaker style flashlight" technique. You need a "source" to
initially get it going (a crank so to speak). Efficient SiC or GaN MOSFET switching and Supercaps are likely needed (not tested in
the full configuration yet since SiC FETS just recently went from ~ $4.00US each to over ~ $40US). Supercaps have likely also
gone through the roof.

Simulations revealed there are "no missing pistons" as seen in the posted, very brief, LinGen analysis (unfortunately, due to
very limited forum resources, more comprehensive cartoons could not be attached). A KW+ generator is also viable.

The NOTES were included since searching through pages of "stuff" can be frustrating, if not futile!

--- Crank all you want, without a "source of power (battery or magnets...)" to initialize the system electronics/coils - it's a no go!

Regards

SL


Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 11, 2022, 06:27:52 PM
Great find indeed! 

The secret of the missing piston is in the receiver coil,  the output is regular outlet AC, so that's a hint, the output coil(s) convert RMF to AC. It's _maybe_ a partnered coil too for mutual induction forces that pump current, like a piston. Maybe it's wound like the 2 partnered pairs  of the VTA but on a single core, it outputs the same. 
EX1, external exciter coil  to regauge, exciting the inside of the coils from the side, Lenz self-induction appears vertical and each coil of a pair is the other's input coil, they mutually create EMF and pump current.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: SolarLab on August 11, 2022, 06:40:38 PM
 Guess I missed the partnered output coils and mutual induction forces in Pierre's and Holcomb's devices.
Will look again... 

But you're still going to need a power source to initialize the system electronics/coils - Pierre used the AC outlet,
Holcomb uses a battery bank in the stand alone device (see his battery bank test results) for "start-up." 

Not really that complicated; just good design technique using quality (efficient - but now very expensive) parts.



Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 11, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
Guess I missed the partnered output coils and mutual induction forces in Pierre's and Holcomb's devices.
Will look again... 

But you're still going to need a power source to initialize the system electronics/coils - Pierre used the AC outlet,
Holcomb uses a battery bank in the stand alone device (see his battery bank test results) for "start-up." 

Not really that complicated; just good design technique using quality (efficient - but now very expensive) parts.
They didn't mention it, it was my guess. The rotating field, the engine, is nothing special, maybe a Tesla like rotating field using AC signals works too, but using the N-S-N-S setup instead.  The output coils are the pistons, they generate the usable power, there must be his secret.

"it only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage with it as there's something else I kept secret. It's like an engine with no pistons, it won't start. It's the same thing for the dz generator, the important thing is not what we see but rather what you don't see."
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 11, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Great find indeed! 

The secret of the missing piston is in the receiver coil,  the output is regular outlet AC, so that's a hint, the output coil(s) convert RMF to AC. It's _maybe_ a partnered coil too for mutual induction forces that pump current, like a piston. Maybe it's wound like the 2 partnered pairs  of the VTA but on a single core, it outputs the same. 
EX1, external exciter coil  to regauge, exciting the inside of the coils from the side, Lenz self-induction appears vertical and each coil of a pair is the other's input coil, they mutually create EMF and pump current.

Hey Alan,

That -for sure- I find it very interesting!!
But, let me see if I understand you correctly...
So, It would be like a Dual Coil (like a Bifilar) on the Output single center core (based on DZ Generator structure), but connected in opposite (crossed) ends, like shown on your graphic center 4 coils output connection...that way they will be "pumping" at inverse sequencing...correct?

Wouldn't the ouput be canceled?...that is something that need to be tested in reality...

I have tried a similar approach in the past (like 6 years ago, but collapsing the field), and even though I had pretty good results...and I wound the coils in opposite directions (say one CW and the other CCW on same core)

We have to imagine the field rotation inducing in the two positions of poles (N/S) at opposite angles at same timing...then how to connect the ends to add to output, not substract.
Also, assuming wire gauge and number of turns being of identical spec's...

Edit 1: It is obvious that if we connect the 2 coils ends in parallel, we will just have a Bifilar Output coil...and in series (end of one to start of second) we will have it like Tesla's Pancake configuration...So, crossed, like you have shown...would have to be tested.

I can do it with my setup...change the connections, then see how it works....but again, I am speaking off my mind here...would have to gather all of it and make diagrams on CAD first.

Thanks for your input!!

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Cadman on August 12, 2022, 03:10:07 PM
Psssst....hey c'mere
there's a great big transformer in Pierre Cotnoir's videos... it doesn't work without it...
don't tell anyone
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Cadman on August 12, 2022, 07:10:38 PM
... never mind ... wrong hypothesis.

But I still think that trafo is a very important part of the whole.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: kolbacict on August 13, 2022, 08:38:58 AM
TO TEST THIS IDEA BUILD TWO OF AS PER THIS UTUBE. THEN
SHAZAM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po-yib77vgA&t=192s
This is true ?  It is interesting. But it seemed to me that the ball touches the walls of the glass.
 All in accordance with Earnshaw's rule.   I need to try.
In principle, the magnet can be hung so that it does not touch anything possible in any dynamically controlled coil.
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: ramset on August 13, 2022, 09:37:30 AM
I know Luc and a few others did spend years on Pierre’s device to no avail.( working with Pierre)
And Pierre was  never able to get original device working again after some fire damage or over heat scenario??


And to my knowledge that is the case still ( been calling around)
However
Seems Holcomb debut is tickling the “what if’s” with builders who dabbled back then !


Also I am uncertain that any Holcomb product has actually gone to a customer yet!




Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Jimboot on August 14, 2022, 12:18:26 AM
I know Luc and a few others did spend years on Pierre’s device to no avail.( working with Pierre)
And Pierre was  never able to get original device working again after some fire damage or over heat scenario??


And to my knowledge that is the case still ( been calling around)
However
Seems Holcomb debut is tickling the “what if’s” with builders who dabbled back then !


Also I am uncertain that any Holcomb product has actually gone to a customer yet!




Respectfully
Chet K
a tech that threatens, fossil, wind, solar, energy storage and [size=78%]energy distribution not shipping. If the goal is to make money from the device it will never ship. It would simply be bought out to protect existing markets. Pretty easy business decision. [/size]
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Jimboot on August 17, 2022, 11:19:56 AM
I'm looking for easier ways to fabricate a rotor for an existing 1kw gennie stator. I was thinking could we use at least 2 solenoids the diameter of exisiting rotor 90deg to each other? Then we could utilise both ends of the solenoids for our 4 pulsed poles. Probably a bad idea but just a thought. I'd simulate it first if I knew how :)
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: alan on August 17, 2022, 12:24:52 PM
Rotor? Must it not be a stator that contains the coils that radiate inwards?
Title: Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 17, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
Hello to All,

I have been thinking a lot about Magnetic Fields Propagations, Projections, plus the way they react basically engage, wrap around with steel cores, So, We could go (project rotating field) from Inside-Outwards expanding our exciter rotary field towards an outer output Stator...or...We can go as Cotnoir did it...from Outside Inwards.

The advantages -that I see- to make this setup like Cotnoir, is that we get a more dense, more concentrated Field projected towards the center...with much less losses than when we project from inside outwards.
Also, since we are winding the outer core to carry the field switching coils, from the geometrical point of view, we have much more room, so, are able to build a much more concentrated, higher resolution field.

As well as building an Inner Output Stator, is way more simpler, than to make a complicated, many tooth inner rotor...which, if we are to make it a higher resolution, would need to consist -at least- of 36 tooth...to have a 10º displacement angle, resolution field.
The "ideal" structure should be of an even lesser angle, like a 5º...but then we will need at least a 72 tooth core...

Understand this simple fact...the Higher the Resolution (the smaller the displacement angle) would keep "alive" a much more stronger field -at all time- during rotation...since many more coils would be always ON during rotation/displacement of field.

And as the last advantage...We could have Two (Four Poles) or even Three (Six Poles, like Pierre Cotnoir had) full Fields spinning, which would reduce considerably the required operating rotational speed...and that, my dear friends, we could only achieve with an outer field rotating component.

My two old copper pennies here...

Regards

Ufopolitics


Edit 1: If inward-outward field projection would be so effective...then why does Holcomb would need to add a secondary Outer Rotor, if not to 'assist' and 'enhance' propagated rotational field?
Edit 2: Image attached is based on Six Poles (3 Fields) for both scenarios, Out-In and In-Out, please note the ATTRACTION FORCES established between Field Poles, on the Outward Spinning Field (left image) NOT existing on the Right Image (Inward Field to Outer)