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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory  (Read 3968 times)

Offline onepower

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Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« on: August 05, 2022, 01:39:39 AM »
This is a thread dedicated to the working theory of the Holcomb device and others related to it.

Regards
AC

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2022, 02:30:11 AM »
Here is the gauge by which any real theory should be debated....https://blog.dtssydney.com/richard-feynmans-principles-of-scientific-thinking
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The Feynman Principles:

   "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."
    "Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty — some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain."
    "Permit us to question — to doubt — to not be sure."
    "Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"
    "There is one feature I notice that is generally missing in cargo cult science (junk science) … It's a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty."
    "If you're doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid — not only what you think is right about it."
    "Scientific knowledge is an enabling power to do either good or bad — but it does not carry instructions on how to use it."
    "If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming 'This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!' we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination."
    "We make no apologies for making these excursions into other fields, because the separation of fields, as we have emphasised, is merely a human convenience, and an unnatural thing. Nature is not interested in our separations, and many of the interesting phenomena bridge the gaps between fields."
    "Mathematics is not just a language. Mathematics is a language plus reasoning. It's like a language plus logic. Mathematics is a tool for reasoning."
    "I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something."
    "The real problem in speech is not precise language. The problem is clear language."
    "The only way to have real success in science, the field I’m familiar with, is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be."
    "And therefore when we go to investigate we shouldn’t pre-decide what it is we are trying to do except to find out more about it."
    "The exception tests the rule."
    "That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong."

AC

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 04:14:48 AM »
AC and Wesley,

You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development. No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either. 

Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least. 

I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic. 

Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not.  :'(   

Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo!

Take care, and have a good one...

SL




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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 12:24:09 PM »
Why are you upset, make double Milkovich pendulums, they promise a 12-fold increase. :D
But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?

Offline Goat

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2022, 03:58:34 AM »
Why are you upset, make double Milkovich pendulums, they promise a 12-fold increase. :D
But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?
After looking at https://vimeo.com/675304867 at 2:00 minutes they show a test tube filled with a fluid showing the spin of the magnetic field, it doesn't seem to be spinning as fast as the speed of light or beyond. 

PG

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2022, 12:22:47 PM »

But seriously, I have not yet voiced all my proposals on this topic.
One of them was, if you still spin the field faster than the speed of light, can a long-awaited miracle will be able happened ?


How do you propose to spin the field faster than the speed of light?  You obviously can't move a magnet faster than the speed of light.  And you can't make the electrons in a wire move faster than the speed of light so how can you move a magnetic field faster than the speed of light?  Do you even know how fast light moves?


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Offline kolbacict

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2022, 02:20:47 PM »
Let's say the stator (or rotor) winding is three-phase, and the phase shift between currents in adjacent phases will be 10 ns (120 degrees). In this case, we obtain the frequency of the supply current 33.333 MHz (period duration 30 ns). To obtain a superluminal speed of rotation of the field, it is necessary that the diameter of the rotor be at least 2.865 meters.

Offline onepower

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2022, 07:06:48 PM »
Did a little math on the Holcomb device...

Suppose we have three coil(s) sets and each of said coil set can operate over a given range of frequencies in order to produce X result. Let's say a frequency range of 100kHz for each coil set in large 1kHz increments and only one combination will produce the desired result. We now have 27 million possible combination and this is only if the coil windings, geometry, orientation, core material, core geometry etc... are all correct. So we could throw in maybe 100 more variables which is a major understatement and were now at only 2.7 billion possible combinations.

A person could start guessing however if we were to take one guess every minute it would take us around 85 years or a lifetime. Which may explain why most of the FE inventors who had success spent a lifetime looking for answers. This is why theory is so important to separate the wheat from the chaff and increase our odds of success.

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AC

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2022, 07:45:42 PM »
Did a little math on the Holcomb device...

Suppose we have three coil(s) sets and each of said coil set can operate over a given range of frequencies in order to produce X result. Let's say a frequency range of 100kHz for each coil set in large 1kHz increments and only one combination will produce the desired result. We now have 27 million possible combination and this is only if the coil windings, geometry, orientation, core material, core geometry etc... are all correct. So we could throw in maybe 100 more variables which is a major understatement and were now at only 2.7 billion possible
combinations.

A person could start guessing however if we were to take one guess every minute it would take us around 85 years or a lifetime. Which may explain why most of the FE inventors who had success spent a lifetime looking for answers. This is why theory is so important to separate the wheat from the chaff and increase our odds of success.

Regards
AC

In the aerospace industry, the flight envelope has an infinite flight conditions for the operation
of the products.  We would test a limited set of parameters for the qualification tests that
would cover the most critical parts of the flight envelope.

When you look up parameters of electrical devises, the parameters are displayed
usually in lines that are generated from a few data points compared to all the
possible data points for that parameter.

So, development of FE devices should be tested the same way.
Test the parameters that could cause the most changes in the devices output first.
From the graph, move to the best operating point for that parameter and then go to the next parameter.

Now this is why it is important to create as much adjustability in the physical components
in the prototype so that you do not need so many different prototype builds.

Now with that being said,  Most of the best FE concepts have taken several years to get
to a manufacturable design.  Even then a lot of them are never seen again for different reasons.

Now as you go through the prototype build, it is good to think about how you can
use as many off the shelf components as you can in the design for the final prototype.

In larger companies you have several groups working together to bring products
to the customers.

How can FE people work together to speed up the process of OU devices.
FE development the way it currently is has a lot of disadvantages to it.

How can it be improved?

Lunkster


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2022, 02:39:48 PM »
AC and Wesley,

You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development. No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either. 

Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least. 

I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic. 

Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not.  :'(   

Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo!

Take care, and have a good one...

SL
Don't believe that and don't give up. Holcomb is very similar to what Figuera invented, Figuera describes the purpose of the moving field: to emulate relative MOVEMENT without movement so back-mmf from load current has no back-torque effect since it's solid state (his own explanation). The one who came up with speed of light rotation talked bogus. 

When you move a wire through an even magnetic field, nothing varies but location and charges in the wire do separate which can be defined as an EMF that has the potential to pump a current. No abstraction of changing flux through enclosed surface area, in Holcomb the flux moves, rotates, but  the rate of change of the number of  flux-lines seems cancelled because of the symmetry of the magnets.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2022, 03:27:50 PM »
Lunkster
How can it be improved ?


One independently verified true anomalous gain mechanism will
Move the open source community from chaos to coordination!


There are plenty of pots on the fire ( which is good if people share good or bad
Results)
Transparent Empirical testing of claims is our strength..
And the only way to move forward ( instead of looping failures .
Verifiable replication!
That is the open source communities  Gatekeeper !


Respectfully
Chet K
PS to Alan above
You write as if you have an understanding which
You have not shown?
And make accusations as if there is some purposeful
Hindrance?
Here a builder can grab a bench ( topic board)
And be his own gatekeeper!


The floor is yours for proving ( verifiable bench tests
 No one will stop you !
And if it’s a verifiable result ( here there are thousands who would bring that focus the lunkster
Says we are lacking!
A win win for humanity!!
PPS
Why do you also bring old posts up past recent good events?
Member JimBoot is building Solarlabs claims
AND
Is now moderator of Holcomb topic here ?
See post 1341


https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569873/#new


You have some confusing narrative of division?
















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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2022, 03:57:40 PM »
My main point was the comparability of HES to Figuera which Marathonman has succesfully replicated, because he was convinced by someone that it is all fake.

This is almost the same as HES, he also closes the loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNBP7-QbI0
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CLEMENTE FIGUERA PATENT (1902) No. 30375 (SPAIN) NEW PROCEDURE FOR OBTAINING ELECTRICAL CURRENTS IN GENERAL AND APPLICABLE TO INDUSTRIAL USES DESCRIPTION All systems adopted, until the present, to produce electric currents, are based on the well known principle that, when a core of soft iron which approach or moves away from a magnet is magnetized and demagnetized do appear induced current in any copper wire which is coiled in said core. This is the fundamental principle of the Clarke machine, of the company "The Alliance", and the current dynamos, which, like all others, are machines to transform mechanical force into electricity. In all of them, the magnetizations and successive demagnetizations of the core or cores is achieved approaching and moving away these permanent magnets or electromagnets, called excitatory. Those who sign, have devised a new method or process for producing magnetic changes in the core, and this procedure consists of making intermittent or alternating the current which drives the excitatory electromagnets, in which case neither the nuclei, nor the induced circuit need to be moved at all. The whole question comes down to change the state of magnetization of the cores, so that electrical currents could appear in the induced wire. Until now, this result is achieved by making the core or cores approaching or moving from the magnetic centers created by the excitatory electromagnets. We, through an intermittent or alternating electric current achieve a variation in the magnetic state of the cores of the excitatory electromagnets, and also changing, the magnetic state of the cores on which the induced circuit is coiled, where electric currents appear ready to be industrially exploited. As the soft iron core of a dynamo becomes a real magnet from the time when current flow along the wire of the induced circuit, we think that this core must be formed or constituted by a group of real electromagnets, properly built to develop the highest possible attractive force, and without taking into account the conditions to be fitted in the induced circuit, which is completely independent of the core. The procedure is thus reduced to establish an independent induced circuit, within the sphere of action or magnetic atmosphere formed between the magnetic pole faces, of opposite name, of two electromagnets, or series of electromagnets driven by intermittent or alternating currents. In the current dynamos, the coils of the induced circuit cut the force lines which go from the faces of the excitatory electromagnets to the core; in our procedure, the same lines of force, which are born and die cross through the coils on the induced. The novelty of our procedure is as follows:
1. In that, you do not need to use any driving force, since the machines built according to these principles will not act as transformers of work into electricity.2. In that, until the present, none has tried to change, at industrial scale, from zero, the magnetic power of the excitatory magnets or electromagnets of a running machine. Note: for which the patent is filed: Procedure to achieve electric currents, establishing a motionless and independent induced circuit, within the sphere of action or magnetic atmosphere formed between the magnetic pole faces of two excitatory electromagnets, or series of motionless electromagnets, powered by intermittent or alternate currents. Madrid, the 2nd of September, 1902. Signed: Clemente Figuera.


PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns, while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one. Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as when, this circuit being still and motionless, the magnetic field is increased and reduced in intensity; since any variation , occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical induced current .It was considered the possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the electrical current which produces it.


Normal generators and dynamos convert mechanical energy into electrical energy, motionless generators like this manifest electrical energy.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2022, 04:31:19 PM »
Pierre had no independent replication of his “closes the loop”


In this forum are 10’s of thousands of hours
Of combined efforts to replicate!
None successful!
EDIT

AND FOR CLARITY
Persons were in contact working with Pierre !!

—///—//:::

I know marathonman was trying for many years,
Now you have written he succeeded?
Here is my Email Chetkremens@gmail.com
Send it to him !


I might have his contact somewhere ,it has been a long time
and I know his heart is in the right place !
Or it’s just another unreplicated claim which may or
May not be measurement error !


Independent replication/verification is the only
Path forward for the open source community!


Too many false claims abound !
And the price we pay while others play children’s games ??












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Offline ramset

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems Working Theory
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2022, 04:47:33 PM »
This pmgripphone is here somewhere at open source
Forums
I noticed he recently joined Peter’s open source forum!( Overunityresearch.com)


Alan
Thanks I will try to reach out to Marathon man


Chet