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Author Topic: Room for Free Energy and its Physics  (Read 3802 times)

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2022, 01:58:26 PM »
What Visitors Say - "It cant be that easy... but it is.."


If you want free energy - look.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2022, 01:59:14 PM »
Confirmation


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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2022, 02:02:55 PM »
Quote from Personal messages,


"Hello Wayne,Yes your drawing does help allow me more insight into what you have designed, intelligently designed I'll add. Much WORK went into it.


Interesting that no one has yet mentioned the fact that each riser/pod assembly is a dual action/direction air over hydraulic FORCE multiplier.


With two of those assemblies used, one on each end of the hydraulic teeter totter. It is a well designed system that can recycle itself when provided with proper controls, since after all it is a machine of man that can do WORK, made of inanimate "matter" that cannot think and has no ability to ACT on its own.


Nice design, and it fits into my understanding of what is required to "create" so called "energy".Energy per se is not a real thing it is a mental construct of men, and seems everyone is hooked on and hung up on something that never was mentioned as having been created as a thing that was in fact created.


Not that it cannot be created, but rather:Energy is a RESULT. PERIOD!"


Thank You - You have a great Mind!


Mr Wayne

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2022, 02:47:44 PM »
Tarsier_79

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Anyway, if anyone else would like an examination on any specific mechanism, I will be happy to oblige.

I would be interested if you can have another look at the buoyancy/gravity design I posted sometime ago and for which I've as yet not been able to find the reason why this can not work. I'll be more than willing to answer any questions as clearly as possible as to the details of the design.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2022, 07:31:38 PM »
Hi Novus.

Bump it, and I will take a look in the coming days.


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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2022, 07:56:45 PM »
This is too fun...
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Pay closer attention to Markus Video in the Video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTbIJnEOw8Y&lc=UgzZVZ2Yld1XqiS7BbB4AaABAg.9dnMD1elZwd9dnSPWu-6sX
I did. I based my first calculations on the image straight from the video. It shows input = output. You introduced a spread-sheet that didn't match Markus's image. Now we have a diagram that functions differently to Marcus's animation due to the difference in stroke lengths.

The funny thing, even though you keep moving the goal posts, gravity acts like it should and we get a 0 out at the end each time. Mathematically perfect.


I have a question. Before I do more math to show input = output, (this always happens in gravity systems), I can halve my work by your answer here:


I would like to ask why we are expecting the riser in your image on the right to sink. In cartoon land, we can assume the riser is weightless or neutrally buoyant, which means it will stay buoyant and at the top till all the air is expelled. We could assume the riser has mass, and give it a figure, like 18, which will cause it to start sinking once air moves past the top of the displacer. From your description of it sinking, I imagine we can assume the latter. Is this correct, and will 18 be a suitable figure? I am happy to use whatever figure you like.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2022, 10:00:49 PM »
Ok, lets jump forward a bit....

If the riser is "weightless", it will not drop. the buoyancy will keep it up until all the air is expelled. This means the air height isn't enough to supply the opposed riser with enough air to sustain a 36 x 3 rise. Ultimately, it will even out to an 18 x 3 equivalent. We can still do the math if you like.

If the riser weighs 18, it still ends up costing us 18 x 3 at the bottom, but now our (36-18 ) x 3 is now only equal work in vs work out.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2022, 11:53:36 PM »
Ok, lets jump forward a bit....

If the riser is "weightless", it will not drop. the buoyancy will keep it up until all the air is expelled. This means the air height isn't enough to supply the opposed riser with enough air to sustain a 36 x 3 rise. Ultimately, it will even out to an 18 x 3 equivalent. We can still do the math if you like.

If the riser weighs 18, it still ends up costing us 18 x 3 at the bottom, but now our (36-18 ) x 3 is now only equal work in vs work out.


Assuming your taking about the initial process of air transfer and the air in side B is flowing to Side A.... (or the other direction)


While the Riser does have some weight - or could be neutral - it is not the weight of the riser that causes it to sink, its the external  pressure that collapses the riser - like a balloon with an air hose to the surface - suddenly allows the air to vent - in that instance - which do you think you will see.


A. the Balloon trying to float while it vents
B. the pressure of the water collapse the balloon


Now - will the water rise up from below and crush the balloon, crush from all sides. or will the raised water sink into the void.


In fact - at the moment the higher air pressure is introduced to the lower air pressure - the VOID is collapsed - the riser Sinks.


Buoyant force, as is stated in the video, is a pressure differential.. acting upon the surface area  - venting to the atmosphere reverses the direction of the buoyant force.   


Regardless if the riser has weight or is neutrally buoyant.


Now - lets say you very slowly vent the air - you have a leaking buoyant object... and water flows from the higher elevation to below and appears to fills from below (but you know that would require a cavity to appear below the system - that just an illusion).


With our design, number of stroke results in power density - we want to allow the pressure drop - and fast.. We use the that method.


And ps... Thanks for your legitimate thinking - this was an early we eliminated by physical testing concern.


By the way - we did not know what would happen - so we built and tested.. and honestly - were shocked to see the near instant sink of the riser it literally slams down - if the air flow path is large enough.


Key Knowledge - THE LIMITER OF SPEED WAS THE OUT PUT CAPTURE - which is why we oversized the high-pressure plumbing...


The MAX speed of the riser is related to the speed at which water falls.


Another point in regards to the weight of the riser - we leave enough air in to maintain close to neutrality - its just a volume and design consideration. Meaning we over size the system to account for it - so we achieve the power out we want.
 

Mr. Wayne


 
« Last Edit: August 07, 2022, 02:23:52 AM by mrwayne »

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2022, 12:27:05 AM »
This is too fun...I did. I based my first calculations on the image straight from the video. It shows input = output. You introduced a spread-sheet that didn't match Markus's image. Now we have a diagram that functions differently to Marcus's animation due to the difference in stroke lengths.

The funny thing, even though you keep moving the goal posts, gravity acts like it should and we get a 0 out at the end each time. Mathematically perfect.


I have a question. Before I do more math to show input = output, (this always happens in gravity systems), I can halve my work by your answer here:


I would like to ask why we are expecting the riser in your image on the right to sink. In cartoon land, we can assume the riser is weightless or neutrally buoyant, which means it will stay buoyant and at the top till all the air is expelled. We could assume the riser has mass, and give it a figure, like 18, which will cause it to start sinking once air moves past the top of the displacer. From your description of it sinking, I imagine we can assume the latter. Is this correct, and will 18 be a suitable figure? I am happy to use whatever figure you like.






Now you make a true statement - all week long you have been saying "0" now you say "before I do the math " that's fraud buddy... and you accuse me...sic




I have never moved the post - you keep trying to force your unsuccessful notions into my system, do your homework or you will continue to fail this class.


Mr Wayne

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2022, 02:12:20 PM »
Ok, lets jump forward a bit....



Hello Kaine,


Learning new things is a process, its the bigger person who says he/she can.


We will not mock or ridicule you, I understand and have seen great minds come to grips with the realization that their world just changed.


We work hard and remain calm because I know you will get it, and I trust that deep in your heart you want mankind to benefit as well.


That is why we both work so hard - in may case - its been my purpose, mission, and vision to solve the riddle of gravity - I only celebrate what this means for the human race. 


Let me know when you solve it also.


Mr. Wayne

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2022, 09:04:07 PM »
Mr Wayne.

I have not learnt anything from being here. I do not believe your design produces excess energy. With the limited differential height between your risers while you are still trying to use the power stroke at its maximum potential, I really don't see how you can vent the air quick enough to the other side to make use of the principle you describe. If you vent the air outside, you might get this movement, but then you will have to input more energy later.

From your diagrams you claim that the free energy comes from the displaced volume. I see no free energy. All I see is force x distance in = force x distance out.

I believe the lossy system you use for recovery is counter-intuitive. It can easily be improved, but without an over-unity transaction to begin with, there is no point in doing so. IMO, the only advantage these hydraulic pistons give is a potential way to fraudulently hide energy input into the real world system.

There is a relatively easy physical way to prove your mechanism works without the hydraulics attached. Your setup is not difficult to mimic and force inputs and outputs are not difficult to measure. If I thought there was an inkling of potential here, I would perform this test. At the moment, as I do not, I have better ways to spend my time and energy in pursuit of free energy.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2022, 11:34:44 PM »
Mr Wayne.

I have not learnt anything from being here. I do not believe your design produces excess energy.  All I see is force x distance in = force x distance out.



Well, You said it better than I could..


If that's all you can see, I am sorry, you missed it all.






Mr. Wayne




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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2022, 12:07:31 AM »
Ok for all of you who can see: 


"I can't see" is not a surprise - It took nearly 40 designs to get all four fundamentals to operate in the right order - so it is simple now.


Yet, the COTI System is Brilliant.


Combining a counterbalance system to eliminate wasted lifting
Orientation to eliminate the need for an air mover
Travis Effect to reduce the cost of reset below Unity
Intelligent design a looped process which repeatedly provides free energy.


For free energy, this an extremely intelligently designed system which causes a remainder - each and every Stroke - if it was simple to imagine or conceive - then we would have had it many years ago.


Like Kaine explained, its just "looks" like a equal system; but that is the mere illusion that kept it's secret.


If it were two Banks - that had a different value for a dollar - anyone could design a process to make money continuously - deposit your dollar in the bank that has the lower value, transfer your funds to the higher value, and take that and deposit into the first bank again - and repeat... your deposits will increase by the difference of the value of the banks continually.


1. The Travis Effect needs less input volume to create lift greater than its volume - due to the pod or displacer


2. The Sink only has the resistance of the lowered volume


3. Greater lift than the volume - sink at the cost of the actual volume


There is your 10lift-5sink=5remainder (Available)


If I plugged the machine in to pay for the sink  - it would look like this; 10/5=2 or 200%


So those of you who do see - congratulations! you are on a new frontier of science. But get ready - some people can't deal with the cheese being moved..


Here is a scale size of a 50KW model, the taller tube on top is because in our commercial models - we do the output, input, and Air transfer all through the top of the machine. 


Mr Wayne
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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2022, 04:21:07 PM »
Besides an artist rendition has this 50kW been installed anywhere. If not when will it be operating at a third party under production circumstances? It's strange that little progress has been made to commercialize this in ten years seeing how "simple" the device is.

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Re: Room for Free Energy and its Physics
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2022, 02:06:54 AM »
Besides an artist rendition has this 50kW been installed anywhere. If not when will it be operating at a third party under production circumstances? It's strange that little progress has been made to commercialize this in ten years seeing how "simple" the device is.


There is a term, rolling on the floor laughing - ROFL... yes it is simple now - like designing flying airplanes is now easy, and controlling drones is now easy and calling internationally is now easy... because someone took all the time and money to make it easy... over 250 "someone" working non stop over 10 years...


One of my engineers Quipped "I would have been finished by now if I was in charge... I said really - and I pulled out 8 years of research and development which led the version which is economically viable, reliable, controlled, high power density, and environmentally safe.... and I asked - which one of these could you have unlocked faster?


He said "I see your point, every step was required to come to the completed system, and no one could have done it faster..... no one else would have stuck with it through all that work..I would not have" 


Ten years ago, a troll stated - "if I cant buy it at Walmart, or if the inventor isn't powering his house -then its not real" These are idiots....


These comments come from people who never dealt with new science in their lives and have no practical understanding of the length, breadth, and cost of researching and developing new science.


Now add to that doing that work while defending the world against the oppression by the FBI and the State - for 7 years.


In Theory - you have to solve problems and recognize problems that don't exist


In design - you create things to test your theory and see if you can bend the outcome or the result - and to see if any new observation is created or new knowledge is discovered (and restart the theory process)


In development - and you think you may be onto something - you fabricate, build, and alpha tests every individual function and functional aspect of the specific part of the process you are trying to control - or gain reliability of outcome. FOR EVERYTHING - when a OU person says - "I don't think it will work" this is a someone who does not "think" its laziness; either show why it does or does not work - or go eat popcorn and watch.


In testing, you have to know how to value the outcome, and verify the results - now when you are in new science - like UNDER UNITY operations - there is no expert to ask for help, there is not book, you tube, and no Google search which gives results - you have to think on your own - determine facts - not opinions - you have to become the expert.


Third Party - now this is a real joke - who in this group has experience with real energy generation, who has tested positive real free energy (besides my team), and beside the ones who have congratulated me privately - and so who is qualified to do third party testing? The ones who are qualified - already did!


When Some one calls and says - "I have 22 years in testing failed buoyancy or gravity systems" .... Well, that SUCKS DOESNT IT - that's all they got.


In my teams case - science unlocked, engineering unlocked, additional LAWS of physics, design unlocked, economic viability surpassed, proofs of concepts built and tested...


I made it simple for you - its a new frontier in science, it was not simple to get too - in fact - it was hard.


I have "hard systems" for every aspect (including a dozen new discoveries not in this model).

WalMart will never have one to sell - I may never hook one to my house - I may install them to generate free hydrogen and provide fuel, or a hundred other uses for a lot of free power.


My home utility is $200 bucks a month - my 100KW model makes over $7,000 worth of electricity every month - does that make since at all?


We will be installing them where they are needed, where energy is consumed at high volumes - its economics - I would be stupid to install one where I could only use 3% of it...

Your welcome.


Mr Wayne