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Title: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 01, 2022, 11:24:12 AM
For years I have lurked here and occasionally commented usually to call out bullshit claims. However, I have along the way had some ideas of my own which I now find myself in the position of having more free time to develop.

I recently retired from my government job as a cyber security specialist, however I am only borderline financial so can't afford to spend a lot of money developing a couple of my idea's. in other words I have more time than money.

My ideas are...
 > an inertial drive
 > permanent magnet motor (non electrical)

Its the permanent magnet motor I want to spend my time on.
So I am looking for ideas for how to raise some funding, even if its a trickle to keep things ticking over.

What I am considering at the moment is a youtube channel where I can show the process of designing and building a proof of concept and something like patreon for supporters to donate on a regular basis. however the biggest problem I have is getting a big enough following for it to work.

These systems all rely on social media, however I am not into social media and don't even have a facebook page.

So really looking for some constructive advice if any one has some experience or thoughts to share.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 02, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Hello Chris,


From my point of view a lot of the funds are going to have to come from your own pockets when starting off as I have folks have donated over $4k to my crowdfund page but I have had to spend close to $80k of my own money over the years as the cost to build things when they are one-offs are really high. Then you will run into minimum buy amounts when you go to purchase the materials you need and minimum make amounts on the things you need made that you aren't capable of making yourself. You will also have to buy, mostly with your own funds, the needed tools and equipment you need to build everything along with recording devices and programs so that you can share what it is you are doing to try and get folks to donate to the cause.
All the while you are going to have haters come in and tell people that what you are doing is foolish as it breaks the laws of physics and thus no one should support your work that you will have to learn to deal with as I have over the years. People who haven't performed a single experiment will be jumping into your social platforms putting in their own two cents of how they think things work, and/or why what you are trying to do will not work, and until you have a proof of concept model up and running you will find that in the social space their word will be as good as yours even though that is totally unfair.


I've been at this since 2006 and started asking for help back in 2015 if I remember correctly. It's a hard sell to try and get people to see your vision and the worth of the technology you are tying to bring to market. I have posted all the needed scientific proof of how the technology I'm pushing works and still someone that hasn't performed a single experiment will come in and toss a monkey wrench into the mix. Right now I am just about ready go to the next step of having a working model to show everyone as by accident I broke the little WFC I had working and thus haven't had anything to show since 2011 other than getting ever higher voltages being applied to the WFC and sharing the screen shots with everyone. But haters would then come in and tell people I was faking it and I had basically go to battle with them and take many more photos showing my work that they couldn't say was fake. And after all that they would just say I was faking it anyways and it would be up to the audience to choose to believe you or them.


I wish you the best of luck as I just posted this to let you know just what to expect as you move forwards with your vision.
Welcome to the war,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 03, 2022, 01:49:14 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
The hurdle I face and I am sure you did or do yourself is a lack of funds to do the self funding. How do you support yourself while developing the processes?
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 03, 2022, 03:19:49 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
The hurdle I face and I am sure you did or do yourself is a lack of funds to do the self funding. How do you support yourself while developing the processes?


Hello Again,


I think it's something I learned while in college about the true meaning of time from a strict professor I had that has kept me going and it goes like this, "It maters not how long something will take you to do but only when that time comes around where will you be?" What this means is we are not in control of time but only in control of what we choose to do with it. I have been working on this technology for over 16 years now and only now am I just about ready to launch the technology. You see I learned from my professor that if I had chosen to do nothing instead then nothing would have been done and I'd have never solved this technology in the 16 years it took for me to solve it. That advice he gave me a long time ago gave me a true perspective about time. Thus I was willing to save my pennies over the many years it took for me to be able to purchase all the things I needed to be able to do for self with this technology. Sure 16 years is a lot of time but now that I have done what I set out to do I am at that point in the story where I chose to do what needed to be done and not just let time pass me by and can now start to reap the benefits of completing the task I set out to do so many years ago.


I had to sacrifice a lot saving and planning things out was hard to do but I kept my eyes on the prize as I knew from that instructor that if I did nothing then what ever time it would have taken me to complete the task would also pass me by but I'd be in a far worse place having not chosen to invest the time in achieving my goals as time truly waits for no man. There were many times I wanted to simply throw in the towel but what the professor told me was always in the back of my mind. I think this is what kept me going all of these years as the only thing I could control about time was what I chose to do with it. Thus I saved my pennies and used them wisely to buy the needed machines and tools to be able to cut out the middle men whom make it impossible for a small business to survive and thrive as they are dream killers. I haven't went on a vacation since 2009 as I saved all of my monies to get the things I needed to move forwards with this technology. You have to make a plan and stick to it no matter what as again you are not in control of time but only in control of what you choose to do with it. I made many sacrifices in order to get to where I am today with the technology and I think I owe all of that to one professor whom taught me the true meaning of time.


What you will find about people in these social platforms is that they want to see practically a finished product before they willing choose to donate to the cause. You will get some that will be able to see your vision but not many. Just make a good plan that you can follow living within your means and never look back as at the end the time it took for you to complete the mission is going to go by rather you choose to complete the mission or not. You see the true question is when that time comes around where will you be?


With me I am sure there are a lot of people that are praying that I don't succeed due to how they treated me in these online forums over the many years I have been at this but what they don't know is I have already succeeded as I just had to get what I needed to be able to build it correctly which took a lot of time and money as like you I am poor thus it takes more time for us to get things done. Know once you have a working model to show, people will then choose to support your cause. So, learn the ropes and stick to the plan as at the end your vision will prevail if you do just as mines is about to do now. 16 years is what it took for me to complete this mission and I know full well that I could have chosen to do nothing and have achieved nothing in all this time. But for what that professor told me was pertaining to him hearing students saying that it would take them too long to take all of the required courses not realizing that the time it would have taken them to take and complete those courses was out of their control. I just applied what he taught me about time to life in general.


I hope that helps in giving you the strength you need to keep things moving.
Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 03, 2022, 03:56:18 AM
Again Thanks.
It is true I prioritised other things. That was a conscious decision. I have had many ideas and inventions in the past and frankly wasted time working on them. So I decided the family came first. Now I am at the other end and my family is out of the nest and doing well, its time for me, within the limits my wife will accept.
I have waited long enough.

I am thinking of taking a leaf out of the new generation and live streaming while I work, see if I can pick up a few followers on the likes of tik tok and maybe twitch, then make video's as I reach certain milestones.
Good luck with your upcoming launch/revelation I'll look forward to it.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 03, 2022, 04:26:20 AM
Also I watched a video where you were showing a water capacitor, I have often wondered whether high voltage itself was enough to disassociate hydrogen atoms from oxygen atoms. it seems you have made substantial progress on that front (nicely made apparatus BTW). My thoughts were around static electricity at much higher voltages, but very similar in starting points.

I assume you are outputting browns gas, Do you have some statistics output gas volume vs input voltage and current?
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 03, 2022, 07:58:30 AM
Also I watched a video where you were showing a water capacitor, I have often wondered whether high voltage itself was enough to disassociate hydrogen atoms from oxygen atoms. it seems you have made substantial progress on that front (nicely made apparatus BTW). My thoughts were around static electricity at much higher voltages, but very similar in starting points.

I assume you are outputting browns gas, Do you have some statistics output gas volume vs input voltage and current?


Thanks.
This is not browns gas as due to the water bath being highly charged the hydrogen atoms come off as monatomic gas atoms and not molecules as seen in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0 (http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0) Sadly I broke this cell when I really got it running great as I got too excited and knocked it off the table.  With the next series of WFC's I built I was given some bad information that basically prevented the WFC's from working. It took me a while to figure that out. I think something like 9 years passed before I figure out that the information I was give was incorrect as it's harder to figure things out when trust is part of the problem. I have since corrected that mistake and should be ready to go once again when I build the newest line of transformers to be tested on the now corrected WFC.


Thus far I think I am the only one that has figured those mistakes out that is still currently working on this technology. Most have long since thrown in the towel on this technology as they followed what the man posted not knowing that if they did that bad information would make it so they would never get the technology up and running correctly. I spoke a little about this on my thread but never moved to teach much of anything as I have several people on this forum that truly hate me and the feeling is mutual so I keep things like this to myself because of that. These are the ones I spoke of that pray that I don't succeed whom are supposed to be on the same side but their actions clearly show they are on the side of those that sell energy as six of them banned me from their online forums. I hope you never have to go through what I had to go through and endure. But I did just post a video that shows that what I have been saying about this technology for several years is totally correct and true on my thread.


I think you will have a lot of luck with your videos as right now with prices soaring people are once again looking for solutions thus when shown new ways to escape the madness they should now move to support it.


Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 03, 2022, 09:37:45 AM

Thanks.
This is not browns gas as due to the water bath being highly charged the hydrogen atoms come off as monatomic gas atoms and not molecules as seen in this video:
Oh I am surprised. In the video I watched I didn't see any way of separating the hydrogen from the oxygen, Browns gas is what you get if you electrolyse water and don't have a membrane or method to separate the oxygen and hydrogen. That's all browns gas is is, the hydrogen gas and oxygen gas mixed. Otherwise known as HHO.

Browns gas is what all those car electrolyser kits produce.
It is also extremely dangerous as it is very volatile being in the perfect ratio for combustion and will flash back into the generator if not arrested in some, way a bubbler is the most common way.

Can I ask what the misinformation you were given was? It would be interesting to know if I have the fallen for it as well.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 03, 2022, 05:16:27 PM
Hi Chris,


Again with this technology the two gases do come together but as long as you don't take the pressure over 7.7 bar it is safe, I like to remain under 6.8 bar just to be safe for at 7.7 bar the mixture will flash. But again this is more explosive than hho as the hydrogen comes off monoatomic as that's why the water appears that it's boiling as monoatomic hydrogen takes up more space than the diatomic molecule does and if you look closely you will see some of the bubbles darting around not going straight up.


The bad information was to space the gap between the electrodes to 0.0950" in the WFC. What this does is cause the transformers to fail as I calculated the voltage needed to get the WFC working with that large space gap to be around 20-21kv. The only thing separating the positive and negative voltages in the charging choke section of the transformer is the wire's protective coating and take my word for it as it will short out well before you reach 20-21kv as most of my transformers would short out at around 11.5-12kv. Again due to the many haters I have I no longer share exactly what it is I am doing anymore.


Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 04, 2022, 01:33:43 AM
lol, I have been banned from their as well.

They complained because I pointed out some of their conspiracy theories were straight up illogical.

Bringing logic and critical thinking in to their forum is considered heresy, Pretty much what I would expect from a religious based forum.

Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 04, 2022, 05:00:22 PM
This is the type of disinformation I have to deal with as acts like this has cause many to fail at getting this technology to work properly;
Quote
A question by Kerrowman, AKA, Jules.
Options 2 is the Ed Mitchell approach to Meyer’s system. However, using full ac means that the electrodes are changing polarity with each half cycle so I’m wondering if that is an efficient use of energy. Also, the usual inclusion of a ‘blocking diode’ will surely block the negative half of the cycle anyway.

Answer by SecureSupplies, AKA, Dan Donatelli.
Options 2 is the Ed Mitchell approach to Meyer’s system. However, using full ac means that the electrodes are changing polarity with each half cycle so I’m wondering if that is an efficient use of energy. Also, the usual inclusion of a ‘blocking diode’ will surely block the negative half of the cycle anyway.  Option 2 is not making gas with ac and ac prevent gtnt being made  option 2 is a waste of study time ac as is the thinking of using  just high voltage, it is about the phase angle  so option 2 is wrong and will never make gas unless the phase angle is learnt through long study


You see this is the very type of disinformation that leads folks away from how Meyer's technology actually works. The main thing about Donatelli is I told him quite clearly that I'd block him from ever being able to make a profit off of this technology due to him constantly stealing the work of others pawning it off as his own and it's clear from his response to this other person that he is pissed at me for doing so as I basically called him a Capitalist Pig.


I may have posted the science behind how this technology works on this forum but one thing I can't fix is stupidity. The both of them think I am pushing a AC waveform to the WFC in using the voltage intensifier circuit which is impossible. Why? Because the blocking diode will simply not allow alternating current. The blocking diode ensures that one electrode is always positive and the other is always negative and I can't help folks whom don't understand the basics of diodes in electric circuits.
 
At first glance the waveform might look like an AC waveform but when one does a circuit analysis of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit that thought is quickly ruled out due to the placement of the diode in the circuit. Diodes aren't known for flowing current in two directions, unless they are known to be broken, as they are known for just the opposite as they allow current flow in only one direction, thus the waveform can't be Alternating Current, IE, an AC Waveform. The truly sad thing is, if they had actually read through the technical brief instead of just looking at the pictures they too would know that Meyer put both positive and negative voltages to the plates of the water fuel cell.

This post was made 21 months ago so this person, whomever they may be, has now been lead away from the truth of how this technology actually works by the owner of Securesupplies. Acts like this is why in a world of some 7.96 billion people I am the only one to have solved just how this technology actually works as there are folks out there that actively lead people away from the truth and with this technology one has to be willing to ask and answer their own questions quite a bit. Unlike most I willing chose to make use of the scientific method and I think it is that that has set me apart from everyone else.


I am sure you are going to run into these kinds of people as you move forwards with the technology you care about just as I did with the one I care about.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 05, 2022, 01:38:46 AM
My initial glance told me that the waveform was pulsed DC. its pretty obvious to any one with an electrical background.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 05, 2022, 07:48:44 PM
For years I have lurked here and occasionally commented usually to call out bullshit claims. However, I have along the way had some ideas of my own which I now find myself in the position of having more free time to develop.

I recently retired from my government job as a cyber security specialist, however I am only borderline financial so can't afford to spend a lot of money developing a couple of my idea's. in other words I have more time than money.

My ideas are...
 > an inertial drive
 > permanent magnet motor (non electrical)

Its the permanent magnet motor I want to spend my time on.
So I am looking for ideas for how to raise some funding, even if its a trickle to keep things ticking over.

What I am considering at the moment is a youtube channel where I can show the process of designing and building a proof of concept and something like patreon for supporters to donate on a regular basis. however the biggest problem I have is getting a big enough following for it to work.

These systems all rely on social media, however I am not into social media and don't even have a facebook page.

So really looking for some constructive advice if any one has some experience or thoughts to share.

Hello Chris,

I could give you some advice from my end, my own experience...since we have some common goals, as is a Permanent Magnet Motor.

First, in order to gain audience, just a process of design (CAD's all Art work including 3D Animations) will not work, you will need to build a real model, or prototype, which at least shows some movement.
You have to consider the huge amount of FAKE PM Motors that are out there, and specifically on YouTube.

So, unfortunately (not trying to disappoint you at all) but you need to show that your idea is real and that it works.

I have a YT Channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/ufopolitics?app=desktop) since early's 2000, around 7.25K Subscribers...However, related to "raising funds" is not really a reliable source of income.

I have built and shown a working Magnetic Motor based on Lüling principle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM) (assisted by Pneumatics), where I have a Donation link...
Well, I have not reached the $500.00 so far on donations...and it has like 18.7K views so far...
I also have a Patreon Channel...

So, "Math" like number of subscribers or number of views, really do not guarantee raising Funds, so it could pay for all your equipment and tools requirements...

So, IMHO, You will need to raise your own funds first, at least to build a small real prototype, which works...then go from there into all your design details, etc,etc.

You have something precious and very valuable on your side, which is "Time" my friend...not everyone have it...

There are ways to build money fast, legally and in high levels of earnings...for example taking a short course on Investments on NYSE, basically dealing with Options (Not Stock's, not ETF's)...You could make thousands in hours...or in a week max. And it will not take too much money to open a Trading Account.

It is just an example...my two pennies...hope it will help you.

Good luck on all your goals!!

Sincerely

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Tarsier_79 on August 05, 2022, 09:49:48 PM
Hi UFO.

What experiments, modifications and improvements will you do if you get funding?

Chris.

I have seen many people try to use back EMF.

In most motor controllers and motor drivers (including PWM drivers), there is a diode placed backwards across the coil. This diode is not just there to protect the circuitry.

As the field tries to collapse, it induces current in the coil, creating a reverse voltage spike. The current, funnily enough is in the same direction it was originally going. An inductor resists a change in current. The diode then comes into play, closing the circuit so the current can continue to flow in the closed loop, coil to diode to coil etc. This back emf is directly captured here. The additional power from the back EMF is supplied to the rotor, giving the motor more power.

So, capture the back EMF: you will reduce the energy given to the motor, but you will recycle (less efficiently) the lost power back into your battery. I have not seen a setup with a free ride based on back EMF.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 06, 2022, 12:09:50 AM
Hi UFO.

What experiments, modifications and improvements will you do if you get funding?

 

Hello Tarsier,

I am not looking for funding, I was just sharing my experience with Chris, to see if it would help him, somehow.

On this site, Overunity.com, I have not used one single line of text, to ask for a Donation, or asked for Funding...
And I already have a Gofundme link on the Luling Magnetic Motor video, but that is for my subscribers.

There is a huge difference between "Funding" and a "Donation"...and I assume anyone here knows the difference.

On Funding you are "contracting" a "Boss" or in plural...a few Bosses...who will request from you to render results in a specific time frame...in other words, you are now "working for your Investors"...

I work completely alone, and if I ever need some work done, that I can not do it myself, I will pay myself for it, like any sub contracted job.

Recently I spent over $2000.00 in a 4 Channel Scope and a couple of Amp Probes...just to do some testing...
But it is fine, it is required to show clear readings...

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Jimboot on August 06, 2022, 12:17:40 AM
Hello Tarsier,

I am not looking for funding, I was just sharing my experience with Chris, to see if it would help him, somehow.

On this site, Overunity.com, I have not used one single line of text, to ask for a Donation, or asked for Funding...
And I already have a Gofundme link on the Luling Magnetic Motor video, but that is for my subscribers.

There is a huge difference between "Funding" and a "Donation"...and I assume anyone here knows the difference.

On Funding you are "contracting" a "Boss" or in plural...a few Bosses...who will request from you to render results in a specific time frame...in other words, you are now "working for your Investors"...

I work completely alone, and if I ever need some work done, that I can not do it myself, I will pay myself for it, like any sub contracted job.

Recently I spent over $2000.00 in a 4 Channel Scope and a couple of Amp Probes...just to do some testing...
But it is fine, it is required to show clear readings...

Regards

Ufopolitics
very well stated UFO. Btw looking forward to those measurements :)
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 06, 2022, 09:02:56 AM
Chris,


In understanding the differences in funding types you will find that it's much better if you are free to stop and think without folks trying to rush you because they feel you owe them something. That is why I moved to the type of funding efforts I am currently into as I need my freedom. I think you will work far better if you don't have some folks constantly trying to tell you what to do, how to think, and calling you all kinds of names because you might have run into an unexpected problem that caused you to miss one of their deadlines they imposed on you. Trust me you don't want that kind of pressure while your trying to solve problems or think creatively. Moreover you will quickly find out that those folks that want to hold your feet to the fire most of the time don't live in a world of the real but a made up world that is outside of reality in their own minds.


So, my advice to you is choose the path that allows you to retain your freedom, think creatively, and solve problems at your own pace and not the path were you are beholden to people that most of the time just want to make money off of your brain power, creativity, and ideas. Those folks that wish to put restrictions on you by holding you to some form of the law so that they can sue you if you fail truly aren't friends of the technology but lovers of money. They want a part of you so that they can turn a profit and in the event of you failing or not keeping the time schedule they set for you so they can sue for their losses.


Yes "Funding and Donations" are quite different as one comes with many strings attached while the other allows you to be free so choose wisely.


Just like Ufopolitics, I too have spent a lot of money getting the necessary tools, measuring instruments, materials needed, and buying the many machines needed to move things further. This year alone I have spent well over $6k in acquiring some of the many things I need to build this technology correctly on my own as I moved to phase out the middle men whom were charging me so much I simply could no longer move forwards. One of them even sued me for $3k after he breached the contract and the evil judge awarded him the case even though he fully admit to breaching the contract. Talking about adding insult to injury that one hurt big time. Just like Ufopolitics stated "Funding" comes with strings attached that hold you to a specific time frame while "Donations" allow you to be free. He chose freedom and so did I as I know that sometimes it take a bit more time to work through problems you might run into. It took me several years to learn that the plate spacing I used for my WFC's based on trusting someone just because they actually held Meyer's technology in their own two hands were wrong. That took a lot of time and money to learn that lesson as I had built several new WFC's after I broke the one I actually got working and each new design had those mistakes built right into them. Had I been beholden to folks during that time more than likely they would have all sued me out of existence and True Green Solutions would be no more as they would have moved to shut the company down.


So, again choose wisely as your dreams are tied to your choices.


Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 06, 2022, 12:20:30 PM
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 06, 2022, 04:02:47 PM
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.




Hi Chris,


Thanks, as it seems clear the both of us wish only to help you along your journey. What you truly need is freedom to fail as failure is our greatest teacher as the scientific method is nothing more than a slow process of elimination. Thus when one fails what they have really done is learned yet another way that didn't work and those steps are very important as you figure things out by this slow process of elimination called, "The Scientific Method." You will find that most people view failure as something to be punished when money is tied into things.


What I have found totally frustrating is folks will move to listen to those that don't actually do anything as they are too afraid to fail. This fear of failure is a shared experience that will draw a lot of people in as they too are totally afraid of failure. If one never allows themselves to learn from their mistakes doesn't that stop them from being able to move forwards? Just think of it as a baby learning to walk. Now if the parent punishes the baby so harshly for failing the baby will simply stop trying and thus never learn to walk as that parent will have taught the baby that one isn't allowed to learn from their mistakes which of course is false. I find that people that are afraid to fail are on the dangerous side as they move to solve a technology by pure thought alone as they totally deny themselves the opportunity to learn from their mistakes due to their fear of failure which someone instilled in them at some point in their lives. However what makes them dangerous is they think they are right when they are arrogant and believe in their own lies. I have seen some of these people tell folks to do some really messed up things. Example; One person I'm thinking about told people to take the highly ionized gases that come out of the Gas Processor where the atoms at in a truly unstable state as they are now missing electrons to take that highly unstable gas mixture and bubble it through a water bath which is teaming with electrons which will allow those unstable atoms to stabilize and render everything that was done by the Gas Processor meaningless. I pointed this out to the group and for doing so I was banned out of that group. This person that is so afraid to fail that they never move to perform a single real world experiment has now taken over that group and totally leading the members of that group in the wrong direction all because of his object fears of failing at something. You see that man can't walk as he is too afraid to get back up and try again. And these are the people those folks in that group have chosen to listen too and as the old saying goes, "If the blind lead the blind then both shall fall into a ditch."


This fear people have of failing is something that was learned by folks punishing them when they failed and if they don't get over their fears of failing they can never learn to walk. This is why I chose to take a path of funding that allows me the freedom to fail without being persecuted for my many failures I already knew I was going to make as I learned the correct way to get this technology to work properly making use of the scientific method. Without that freedom I would have been stopped a long time ago for as you pointed out, the technology would have been allowed to simply die if I was beholden to people who love to punish folks when they fail.

Watch this video and you will see the power of investors to take a man down if that man doesn't yield to their demands, which in this case they basically wanted to kick Meyer out of his own party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdaYehC1Hg&ab_channel=GlimpseOfHistory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdaYehC1Hg&ab_channel=GlimpseOfHistory)


Shabbat Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 06, 2022, 07:02:31 PM
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

Thanks Chris, yes, me too, when I saw it for the first time, running so strongly...
I will tell you (secretly) a story of how it started...
I was setting all air components and had everything ready to go, but, I had to leave it alone to attend a call...away from the area...so when I returned, I heard this slow bumping sound, repeatedly and with consistency...and to my surprise it was running by itself, because I left the air valve a slightly open and whenever it filled the piston it fall into a looping rotation, very slowly...imagined how I felt.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.

Basically, no one will ever "Fund You" without first having you sign an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement)...then you are done...no more freely sharing or disclosing any of your designs or builds, ever...not worthy it man!!

And yes, what I like about Lüling is that He first set ALL his Magnets in a "NEUTRALIZATION State" in order that you could freely spin rotor with one finger without any sticking, any cogging, zero (like He does on his original 1966 video)...then by simply OFFSETTING that Neutralization, whether on Attract or Repulse...Rotor will start a spin...and so, before reaching a sticky or cogg point, Neutralization will turn On again...freely passing by...that is his Main Design Concept.

Problems with Magnets is that whenever they are freely set on Stator and Rotor...they will always seek for "their own Neutralization" or Stabilization point...but, we will not have any control trying to switch that one On and Off...

Here you can see the LÜLING ORIGINAL 4K UHD VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0)...Thanks to Semi colaboration on getting the original 35 mm footage from 1966...enjoy it.

Btw, I am also working on making it fully mechanical...and simply it is just done by replacing the reciprocating air piston mechanisms...by a fully mechanical, self toggling mechanism...actuated by a smooth triggering system...

You could visit my Thread related to Lüling Magnet Motor (https://overunity.com/18946/lueling-magnet-motor-by-ufopolitics/)

And if you are interested, you are welcomed to open your own Topic there, for Your Magnet Motor Build process, design, etc,etc...and I will be Moderating it, avoiding any noises...I have there like three Members disclosing their designs, all related to Magnet Motors.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 07, 2022, 07:51:51 PM
@H2O Power, and sorry Chris, for deviating a bit from your original issue here!!

Hello Edward,

Please, I always had this curiosity about the invention (or discovery) from Stanley Meyer...related to his Hydrogen separation from the Oxygen molecule in water...
I have seen almost all videos related to his demonstrations, from his Dune Buggy to his Conferences...his plans, his Patents, his circuits, etc,etc.

And so, I believe if there is someone qualified here to respond it is you...since I have read most of your articles and posts here.

There is a pretty short video where he demonstrates making the Hydrolysis on one small clear plexiglass tank with a gauge and a valve on top, attached to a small torch...We can see he haD one of those analog, old Signal Generators with the old electrical gauges (V.U)...where He slightly turns its knob and it starts the process...bubbles start and pressure gauge starts moving fast to max...

My question is pretty simple:

The whole "secret" of Stan Meyer would not be that He actually found the "perfect" Harmonic frequency?, which could be in a short range of the last 4 or 5 digits in a huge number?

In my opinion, (and you are free to correct me at any time) He was able to do this fission of H2O, without "much effort", without huge voltages, without such huge frequencies or high amperage...just the right number...actually taking place just like a "cold fusion" takes place?

Maybe since I am a fan of the movie "Chain Reaction"...where Keanu Reeves by accident finds the perfect "tune" or the perfect harmonic frequency number...where the whole process starts to go much faster and very stable...that was coming from his Lathe cutting some metal...hahaha

Regards and thanks for all you do, Sir!!

Ufopolitics



Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: kolbacict on August 07, 2022, 08:20:07 PM
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: Ufopolitics on August 07, 2022, 09:25:17 PM
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.
If We all think like that...then building a huge EMP Generator, out from some smaller power... could also be used as a weapon...right?
Right... :D
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 08, 2022, 04:59:40 AM
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.
Everything has a harmonic frequency. Even water. The common microwave heats food primarily by causing water molecules to vibrate at around 2.4Ghz.


The lowest resonant frequency of H20 is ~22.235 GHz. But I do believe, and I could be wrong that the energy would just be re-radiated, I don't think it would cause a disassociation.

There appears to be quite a bit of scientific research around controlling the vibration modes of H2O in an effort to improve catalytic dissociation. Could be worth reading up on. for example here is one article.
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-molecular-vibrations-hydrogen.html

 
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: mrwayne on August 08, 2022, 06:21:32 AM
Funding is a important topic, there are many sides on the topic of a new energy technology.


The first issue is - Investment firms - most investments are made using other peoples money. No educated investment professional will invest their clients money on technology that has a Near ZERO success rate. The certainly will not invest in research.


Second issue is business education - Second to market has less risk, less cost, having less overhead - and business students are taught to basically look for start ups to take over - not fund the development.


This Issue is the Person - All investments are a risk, and that means the "person" is being invested in - and their is no magical formula - its an "emotional" decision - not a business decision - all investment are decided on emotion - it is not a logical decision - its a gut feeling.


Part B of the Person - there are 9 points the investor considers - and what the technology is at the end of the decision - so your life, your business plan, your finances, your character, your attitude, your commitment, your hard work, your friends, your posts online, your credit rating, your attitude - are all used to determine the 3 C's = Competency, Consistency, and Character. 


Grants are a stepping stone, but seek a grant on research, not a free energy company. a Good Approach "I want to study the relationship of Such and Such - which could possibly help solve Such and Such ([size=78%]Most states have departments or Grant support groups).[/size]
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Being the "BEST" Experts in their field have a seemingly natural ability to attract support - if you are the best at you scientific method, most dedicated, you will move to the top - assuming you have the 3 Cs.


Know this - almost no corporation does any real research and development - that's not how it works - they buy others research (or just take it - second to market)  and what they call research is usually product development.


Passion gets funded, but never ever expect a humanitatarian fund to help - probably 99% of funds that go into perpetual supposed humanitatirina funds - were tax shelters - and the funds deposited seemingly disappear - sorry - but if Someone claims to be funding you from one of these - they are a troll giving false hope or were fooled themselves.






Now is where real funding comes from - your own hard work and money making machines you have wisely developed to free yourself from perpetual labor.... but if you are not independently wealthy - then you belter hope you are the son, daughter, husband, or what ever relation to the people who collect taxes and direct where the post expenses funds will go - like solidary.


So if you don't have a rich uncle, don't have your own wealth machine, learn to do grants.


Seeking funding has incredible risk to your family and your business... and if you do it the traditional way - because of percentages and dilution - you will be considered a great success - if you own 7% at the point you do succeed...   High risk wants high %, for tiny bits of money. And if you have investors - your hands are tightly tied - and any one of them can take your company down - at a critical time... so No shark tanks.... Corporation structures are designed to exit the innovator - or founder...


Now Book sales has been a successful way of funding research...I have been called by inventors who say that they only profit they made in all their years of research was the book sales...


Sometimes funding is miracle - you can't make a miracle happen - but they seem to happen to the same type of people - where a Inner or spiritual force draws people to help - unselfishly. The business world does not comprehend this type of funding - but it happens.


It happens to people who don't care for money, wealth, or fame. It happens to people who work earnestly, and for a purpose. It happens to people who stand against a wrong, it happens to people of faith - or brings a person to faith.


Funding happen when you knock on doors, and ask.


Bottom Line - Funding is about you, and your drive.


Now - there are companies like "GiANT" in Oklahoma, where they fund you for a share in your company - not interest or loans - its a private company - not government - but they help the little "i" face the Giants of the World, and your success and hard work pays it forward to other little "i" people.


Hope this helps - my funding was the Miracle type - blew the governments mind... because people who answer that inner call - know exactly what they are doing - and who for.


Hope that helps!
Mr Wayne
 


 

Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: h20power on August 08, 2022, 09:36:33 AM
Everything has a harmonic frequency. Even water. The common microwave heats food primarily by causing water molecules to vibrate at around 2.4Ghz.


The lowest resonant frequency of H20 is ~22.235 GHz. But I do believe, and I could be wrong that the energy would just be re-radiated, I don't think it would cause a disassociation.

There appears to be quite a bit of scientific research around controlling the vibration modes of H2O in an effort to improve catalytic dissociation. Could be worth reading up on. for example here is one article.
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-molecular-vibrations-hydrogen.html (https://phys.org/news/2014-05-molecular-vibrations-hydrogen.html)


Hi Chris,


I took the conversation to my thread as to not clutter yours up with talk of hydrogen: [size=78%]https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/msg569780/topicseen/#new (https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/msg569780/topicseen/#new)[/size]
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: CuriousChris on August 09, 2022, 05:47:24 AM
Thanks @MrWayne

My intention was not so much to get "angel funding" which is one of the types of investment funding you are discussing. I guess I was more looking for "enthusiast funding" Donations or kickstarter type funding that would be provided by enthusiasts and followers. In exchange I would share (after patent application) my unique approach.

Of course the majority of people would assume I was a fake. I would if I was looking from the outside as well, however my theories are extremely easy to understand and I believe completely logical. it utilises mechanics that we have used since the dawn of time, just repurposed to suit a magnetic motor and the odd clever design feature along the way.


There is no appreciable cogging or sticky points to deal with (however I expect a nominal amount). So I believe my design will get over the biggest hurdle of a magnetic motor. unfortunately while I can test individual components against my theory, the motor has to be complete to test it in full and there are a lot of moving parts (friction is my biggest enemy), accuracy is tantamount, therefore I need to be able to have parts milled with very accurate tolerances, this is not a cheap process.


It would seem however that the type of funding  I am hoping for is not going to be achievable given the experiences discussed. therefore I will need to consider my options. Time is on my side having retired recently, however I am still a few months from actually starting a serious attempt at a build.

At the moment I am completing a renovation (final touches) on our house and building a workshop to work in. So while doing that I thought I would research what I could do to ease the financial burden.
Title: Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
Post by: kolbacict on August 09, 2022, 08:04:14 AM
At the moment I am completing a renovation (final touches) on our house
Those funds spent on repairs could not be used for your dreams ?  >:( >:( >:(
p.s. There is a saying, repair cannot be completed, it can only be stopped (interrupted). :)