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Author Topic: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device  (Read 1544 times)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2022, 12:17:40 AM »
Hello Tarsier,

I am not looking for funding, I was just sharing my experience with Chris, to see if it would help him, somehow.

On this site, Overunity.com, I have not used one single line of text, to ask for a Donation, or asked for Funding...
And I already have a Gofundme link on the Luling Magnetic Motor video, but that is for my subscribers.

There is a huge difference between "Funding" and a "Donation"...and I assume anyone here knows the difference.

On Funding you are "contracting" a "Boss" or in plural...a few Bosses...who will request from you to render results in a specific time frame...in other words, you are now "working for your Investors"...

I work completely alone, and if I ever need some work done, that I can not do it myself, I will pay myself for it, like any sub contracted job.

Recently I spent over $2000.00 in a 4 Channel Scope and a couple of Amp Probes...just to do some testing...
But it is fine, it is required to show clear readings...

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Ufopolitics
very well stated UFO. Btw looking forward to those measurements :)

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2022, 09:02:56 AM »
Chris,


In understanding the differences in funding types you will find that it's much better if you are free to stop and think without folks trying to rush you because they feel you owe them something. That is why I moved to the type of funding efforts I am currently into as I need my freedom. I think you will work far better if you don't have some folks constantly trying to tell you what to do, how to think, and calling you all kinds of names because you might have run into an unexpected problem that caused you to miss one of their deadlines they imposed on you. Trust me you don't want that kind of pressure while your trying to solve problems or think creatively. Moreover you will quickly find out that those folks that want to hold your feet to the fire most of the time don't live in a world of the real but a made up world that is outside of reality in their own minds.


So, my advice to you is choose the path that allows you to retain your freedom, think creatively, and solve problems at your own pace and not the path were you are beholden to people that most of the time just want to make money off of your brain power, creativity, and ideas. Those folks that wish to put restrictions on you by holding you to some form of the law so that they can sue you if you fail truly aren't friends of the technology but lovers of money. They want a part of you so that they can turn a profit and in the event of you failing or not keeping the time schedule they set for you so they can sue for their losses.


Yes "Funding and Donations" are quite different as one comes with many strings attached while the other allows you to be free so choose wisely.


Just like Ufopolitics, I too have spent a lot of money getting the necessary tools, measuring instruments, materials needed, and buying the many machines needed to move things further. This year alone I have spent well over $6k in acquiring some of the many things I need to build this technology correctly on my own as I moved to phase out the middle men whom were charging me so much I simply could no longer move forwards. One of them even sued me for $3k after he breached the contract and the evil judge awarded him the case even though he fully admit to breaching the contract. Talking about adding insult to injury that one hurt big time. Just like Ufopolitics stated "Funding" comes with strings attached that hold you to a specific time frame while "Donations" allow you to be free. He chose freedom and so did I as I know that sometimes it take a bit more time to work through problems you might run into. It took me several years to learn that the plate spacing I used for my WFC's based on trusting someone just because they actually held Meyer's technology in their own two hands were wrong. That took a lot of time and money to learn that lesson as I had built several new WFC's after I broke the one I actually got working and each new design had those mistakes built right into them. Had I been beholden to folks during that time more than likely they would have all sued me out of existence and True Green Solutions would be no more as they would have moved to shut the company down.


So, again choose wisely as your dreams are tied to your choices.


Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2022, 12:20:30 PM »
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2022, 04:02:47 PM »
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.




Hi Chris,


Thanks, as it seems clear the both of us wish only to help you along your journey. What you truly need is freedom to fail as failure is our greatest teacher as the scientific method is nothing more than a slow process of elimination. Thus when one fails what they have really done is learned yet another way that didn't work and those steps are very important as you figure things out by this slow process of elimination called, "The Scientific Method." You will find that most people view failure as something to be punished when money is tied into things.


What I have found totally frustrating is folks will move to listen to those that don't actually do anything as they are too afraid to fail. This fear of failure is a shared experience that will draw a lot of people in as they too are totally afraid of failure. If one never allows themselves to learn from their mistakes doesn't that stop them from being able to move forwards? Just think of it as a baby learning to walk. Now if the parent punishes the baby so harshly for failing the baby will simply stop trying and thus never learn to walk as that parent will have taught the baby that one isn't allowed to learn from their mistakes which of course is false. I find that people that are afraid to fail are on the dangerous side as they move to solve a technology by pure thought alone as they totally deny themselves the opportunity to learn from their mistakes due to their fear of failure which someone instilled in them at some point in their lives. However what makes them dangerous is they think they are right when they are arrogant and believe in their own lies. I have seen some of these people tell folks to do some really messed up things. Example; One person I'm thinking about told people to take the highly ionized gases that come out of the Gas Processor where the atoms at in a truly unstable state as they are now missing electrons to take that highly unstable gas mixture and bubble it through a water bath which is teaming with electrons which will allow those unstable atoms to stabilize and render everything that was done by the Gas Processor meaningless. I pointed this out to the group and for doing so I was banned out of that group. This person that is so afraid to fail that they never move to perform a single real world experiment has now taken over that group and totally leading the members of that group in the wrong direction all because of his object fears of failing at something. You see that man can't walk as he is too afraid to get back up and try again. And these are the people those folks in that group have chosen to listen too and as the old saying goes, "If the blind lead the blind then both shall fall into a ditch."


This fear people have of failing is something that was learned by folks punishing them when they failed and if they don't get over their fears of failing they can never learn to walk. This is why I chose to take a path of funding that allows me the freedom to fail without being persecuted for my many failures I already knew I was going to make as I learned the correct way to get this technology to work properly making use of the scientific method. Without that freedom I would have been stopped a long time ago for as you pointed out, the technology would have been allowed to simply die if I was beholden to people who love to punish folks when they fail.

Watch this video and you will see the power of investors to take a man down if that man doesn't yield to their demands, which in this case they basically wanted to kick Meyer out of his own party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdaYehC1Hg&ab_channel=GlimpseOfHistory


Shabbat Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2022, 07:02:31 PM »
@Ufopolitics
I watched the Luling video with fascination. It is a type of magnet motor I would have not considered before myself. watching it run was a pleasure.

Thanks Chris, yes, me too, when I saw it for the first time, running so strongly...
I will tell you (secretly) a story of how it started...
I was setting all air components and had everything ready to go, but, I had to leave it alone to attend a call...away from the area...so when I returned, I heard this slow bumping sound, repeatedly and with consistency...and to my surprise it was running by itself, because I left the air valve a slightly open and whenever it filled the piston it fall into a looping rotation, very slowly...imagined how I felt.

@Ufopolitics and @h20power
I appreciate the input from both of you. particularly the difference between Donations and Funding. It is a very important point I will keep in mind, you have reminded me of stories I have heard where investors have derailed a promising technology by trying to take over a project.

As a bit of a teaser my motor has no external inputs and no electrical components, it is purely mechanical and magnetic. It is almost purely theoretical at this point my initial tests were positive and I can sincerely echo your statements in the video where you say adjustment is critical. My first test was done using 3d printed parts and the flex in the parts prevented the ultimate goal. I am in the process of redesigning the parts such that I can adjust any flex out of the design.
I need to make some metal parts and that at the moment is my biggest issue not being able to fabricate metal components with any level of accuracy.

I have looked at as many designs for magnetic motors that I can find (have been looking for years) and none replicate my design, so either my design is so stupid no-one has had the folly to try it or my design is so unique that no one has thought of it and written about it publicly.

Basically, no one will ever "Fund You" without first having you sign an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement)...then you are done...no more freely sharing or disclosing any of your designs or builds, ever...not worthy it man!!

And yes, what I like about Lüling is that He first set ALL his Magnets in a "NEUTRALIZATION State" in order that you could freely spin rotor with one finger without any sticking, any cogging, zero (like He does on his original 1966 video)...then by simply OFFSETTING that Neutralization, whether on Attract or Repulse...Rotor will start a spin...and so, before reaching a sticky or cogg point, Neutralization will turn On again...freely passing by...that is his Main Design Concept.

Problems with Magnets is that whenever they are freely set on Stator and Rotor...they will always seek for "their own Neutralization" or Stabilization point...but, we will not have any control trying to switch that one On and Off...

Here you can see the LÜLING ORIGINAL 4K UHD VIDEO...Thanks to Semi colaboration on getting the original 35 mm footage from 1966...enjoy it.

Btw, I am also working on making it fully mechanical...and simply it is just done by replacing the reciprocating air piston mechanisms...by a fully mechanical, self toggling mechanism...actuated by a smooth triggering system...

You could visit my Thread related to Lüling Magnet Motor

And if you are interested, you are welcomed to open your own Topic there, for Your Magnet Motor Build process, design, etc,etc...and I will be Moderating it, avoiding any noises...I have there like three Members disclosing their designs, all related to Magnet Motors.

Regards

Ufopolitics

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2022, 07:51:51 PM »
@H2O Power, and sorry Chris, for deviating a bit from your original issue here!!

Hello Edward,

Please, I always had this curiosity about the invention (or discovery) from Stanley Meyer...related to his Hydrogen separation from the Oxygen molecule in water...
I have seen almost all videos related to his demonstrations, from his Dune Buggy to his Conferences...his plans, his Patents, his circuits, etc,etc.

And so, I believe if there is someone qualified here to respond it is you...since I have read most of your articles and posts here.

There is a pretty short video where he demonstrates making the Hydrolysis on one small clear plexiglass tank with a gauge and a valve on top, attached to a small torch...We can see he haD one of those analog, old Signal Generators with the old electrical gauges (V.U)...where He slightly turns its knob and it starts the process...bubbles start and pressure gauge starts moving fast to max...

My question is pretty simple:

The whole "secret" of Stan Meyer would not be that He actually found the "perfect" Harmonic frequency?, which could be in a short range of the last 4 or 5 digits in a huge number?

In my opinion, (and you are free to correct me at any time) He was able to do this fission of H2O, without "much effort", without huge voltages, without such huge frequencies or high amperage...just the right number...actually taking place just like a "cold fusion" takes place?

Maybe since I am a fan of the movie "Chain Reaction"...where Keanu Reeves by accident finds the perfect "tune" or the perfect harmonic frequency number...where the whole process starts to go much faster and very stable...that was coming from his Lathe cutting some metal...hahaha

Regards and thanks for all you do, Sir!!

Ufopolitics




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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2022, 08:20:07 PM »
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2022, 09:25:17 PM »
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.
If We all think like that...then building a huge EMP Generator, out from some smaller power... could also be used as a weapon...right?
Right... :D

Offline CuriousChris

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2022, 04:59:40 AM »
All living things, including humans, are made up of water.
If there were some magical frequencies, it would be possible to create a universal
weapon that could kill all living things. by way using immediately dissociation of  water. Think about it.
Everything has a harmonic frequency. Even water. The common microwave heats food primarily by causing water molecules to vibrate at around 2.4Ghz.


The lowest resonant frequency of H20 is ~22.235 GHz. But I do believe, and I could be wrong that the energy would just be re-radiated, I don't think it would cause a disassociation.

There appears to be quite a bit of scientific research around controlling the vibration modes of H2O in an effort to improve catalytic dissociation. Could be worth reading up on. for example here is one article.
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-molecular-vibrations-hydrogen.html

 

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2022, 06:21:32 AM »
Funding is a important topic, there are many sides on the topic of a new energy technology.


The first issue is - Investment firms - most investments are made using other peoples money. No educated investment professional will invest their clients money on technology that has a Near ZERO success rate. The certainly will not invest in research.


Second issue is business education - Second to market has less risk, less cost, having less overhead - and business students are taught to basically look for start ups to take over - not fund the development.


This Issue is the Person - All investments are a risk, and that means the "person" is being invested in - and their is no magical formula - its an "emotional" decision - not a business decision - all investment are decided on emotion - it is not a logical decision - its a gut feeling.


Part B of the Person - there are 9 points the investor considers - and what the technology is at the end of the decision - so your life, your business plan, your finances, your character, your attitude, your commitment, your hard work, your friends, your posts online, your credit rating, your attitude - are all used to determine the 3 C's = Competency, Consistency, and Character. 


Grants are a stepping stone, but seek a grant on research, not a free energy company. a Good Approach "I want to study the relationship of Such and Such - which could possibly help solve Such and Such ([size=78%]Most states have departments or Grant support groups).[/size]
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Being the "BEST" Experts in their field have a seemingly natural ability to attract support - if you are the best at you scientific method, most dedicated, you will move to the top - assuming you have the 3 Cs.


Know this - almost no corporation does any real research and development - that's not how it works - they buy others research (or just take it - second to market)  and what they call research is usually product development.


Passion gets funded, but never ever expect a humanitatarian fund to help - probably 99% of funds that go into perpetual supposed humanitatirina funds - were tax shelters - and the funds deposited seemingly disappear - sorry - but if Someone claims to be funding you from one of these - they are a troll giving false hope or were fooled themselves.






Now is where real funding comes from - your own hard work and money making machines you have wisely developed to free yourself from perpetual labor.... but if you are not independently wealthy - then you belter hope you are the son, daughter, husband, or what ever relation to the people who collect taxes and direct where the post expenses funds will go - like solidary.


So if you don't have a rich uncle, don't have your own wealth machine, learn to do grants.


Seeking funding has incredible risk to your family and your business... and if you do it the traditional way - because of percentages and dilution - you will be considered a great success - if you own 7% at the point you do succeed...   High risk wants high %, for tiny bits of money. And if you have investors - your hands are tightly tied - and any one of them can take your company down - at a critical time... so No shark tanks.... Corporation structures are designed to exit the innovator - or founder...


Now Book sales has been a successful way of funding research...I have been called by inventors who say that they only profit they made in all their years of research was the book sales...


Sometimes funding is miracle - you can't make a miracle happen - but they seem to happen to the same type of people - where a Inner or spiritual force draws people to help - unselfishly. The business world does not comprehend this type of funding - but it happens.


It happens to people who don't care for money, wealth, or fame. It happens to people who work earnestly, and for a purpose. It happens to people who stand against a wrong, it happens to people of faith - or brings a person to faith.


Funding happen when you knock on doors, and ask.


Bottom Line - Funding is about you, and your drive.


Now - there are companies like "GiANT" in Oklahoma, where they fund you for a share in your company - not interest or loans - its a private company - not government - but they help the little "i" face the Giants of the World, and your success and hard work pays it forward to other little "i" people.


Hope this helps - my funding was the Miracle type - blew the governments mind... because people who answer that inner call - know exactly what they are doing - and who for.


Hope that helps!
Mr Wayne
 


 


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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2022, 09:36:33 AM »
Everything has a harmonic frequency. Even water. The common microwave heats food primarily by causing water molecules to vibrate at around 2.4Ghz.


The lowest resonant frequency of H20 is ~22.235 GHz. But I do believe, and I could be wrong that the energy would just be re-radiated, I don't think it would cause a disassociation.

There appears to be quite a bit of scientific research around controlling the vibration modes of H2O in an effort to improve catalytic dissociation. Could be worth reading up on. for example here is one article.
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-molecular-vibrations-hydrogen.html


Hi Chris,


I took the conversation to my thread as to not clutter yours up with talk of hydrogen: [size=78%]https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/msg569780/topicseen/#new[/size]

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2022, 05:47:24 AM »
Thanks @MrWayne

My intention was not so much to get "angel funding" which is one of the types of investment funding you are discussing. I guess I was more looking for "enthusiast funding" Donations or kickstarter type funding that would be provided by enthusiasts and followers. In exchange I would share (after patent application) my unique approach.

Of course the majority of people would assume I was a fake. I would if I was looking from the outside as well, however my theories are extremely easy to understand and I believe completely logical. it utilises mechanics that we have used since the dawn of time, just repurposed to suit a magnetic motor and the odd clever design feature along the way.


There is no appreciable cogging or sticky points to deal with (however I expect a nominal amount). So I believe my design will get over the biggest hurdle of a magnetic motor. unfortunately while I can test individual components against my theory, the motor has to be complete to test it in full and there are a lot of moving parts (friction is my biggest enemy), accuracy is tantamount, therefore I need to be able to have parts milled with very accurate tolerances, this is not a cheap process.


It would seem however that the type of funding  I am hoping for is not going to be achievable given the experiences discussed. therefore I will need to consider my options. Time is on my side having retired recently, however I am still a few months from actually starting a serious attempt at a build.

At the moment I am completing a renovation (final touches) on our house and building a workshop to work in. So while doing that I thought I would research what I could do to ease the financial burden.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2022, 08:04:14 AM »
At the moment I am completing a renovation (final touches) on our house
Those funds spent on repairs could not be used for your dreams ?  >:( >:( >:(
p.s. There is a saying, repair cannot be completed, it can only be stopped (interrupted). :)