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Author Topic: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device  (Read 2104 times)

Offline CuriousChris

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For years I have lurked here and occasionally commented usually to call out bullshit claims. However, I have along the way had some ideas of my own which I now find myself in the position of having more free time to develop.

I recently retired from my government job as a cyber security specialist, however I am only borderline financial so can't afford to spend a lot of money developing a couple of my idea's. in other words I have more time than money.

My ideas are...
 > an inertial drive
 > permanent magnet motor (non electrical)

Its the permanent magnet motor I want to spend my time on.
So I am looking for ideas for how to raise some funding, even if its a trickle to keep things ticking over.

What I am considering at the moment is a youtube channel where I can show the process of designing and building a proof of concept and something like patreon for supporters to donate on a regular basis. however the biggest problem I have is getting a big enough following for it to work.

These systems all rely on social media, however I am not into social media and don't even have a facebook page.

So really looking for some constructive advice if any one has some experience or thoughts to share.

Offline h20power

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2022, 03:50:01 PM »
Hello Chris,


From my point of view a lot of the funds are going to have to come from your own pockets when starting off as I have folks have donated over $4k to my crowdfund page but I have had to spend close to $80k of my own money over the years as the cost to build things when they are one-offs are really high. Then you will run into minimum buy amounts when you go to purchase the materials you need and minimum make amounts on the things you need made that you aren't capable of making yourself. You will also have to buy, mostly with your own funds, the needed tools and equipment you need to build everything along with recording devices and programs so that you can share what it is you are doing to try and get folks to donate to the cause.
All the while you are going to have haters come in and tell people that what you are doing is foolish as it breaks the laws of physics and thus no one should support your work that you will have to learn to deal with as I have over the years. People who haven't performed a single experiment will be jumping into your social platforms putting in their own two cents of how they think things work, and/or why what you are trying to do will not work, and until you have a proof of concept model up and running you will find that in the social space their word will be as good as yours even though that is totally unfair.


I've been at this since 2006 and started asking for help back in 2015 if I remember correctly. It's a hard sell to try and get people to see your vision and the worth of the technology you are tying to bring to market. I have posted all the needed scientific proof of how the technology I'm pushing works and still someone that hasn't performed a single experiment will come in and toss a monkey wrench into the mix. Right now I am just about ready go to the next step of having a working model to show everyone as by accident I broke the little WFC I had working and thus haven't had anything to show since 2011 other than getting ever higher voltages being applied to the WFC and sharing the screen shots with everyone. But haters would then come in and tell people I was faking it and I had basically go to battle with them and take many more photos showing my work that they couldn't say was fake. And after all that they would just say I was faking it anyways and it would be up to the audience to choose to believe you or them.


I wish you the best of luck as I just posted this to let you know just what to expect as you move forwards with your vision.
Welcome to the war,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2022, 01:49:14 AM »
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
The hurdle I face and I am sure you did or do yourself is a lack of funds to do the self funding. How do you support yourself while developing the processes?

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2022, 03:19:49 AM »
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
The hurdle I face and I am sure you did or do yourself is a lack of funds to do the self funding. How do you support yourself while developing the processes?


Hello Again,


I think it's something I learned while in college about the true meaning of time from a strict professor I had that has kept me going and it goes like this, "It maters not how long something will take you to do but only when that time comes around where will you be?" What this means is we are not in control of time but only in control of what we choose to do with it. I have been working on this technology for over 16 years now and only now am I just about ready to launch the technology. You see I learned from my professor that if I had chosen to do nothing instead then nothing would have been done and I'd have never solved this technology in the 16 years it took for me to solve it. That advice he gave me a long time ago gave me a true perspective about time. Thus I was willing to save my pennies over the many years it took for me to be able to purchase all the things I needed to be able to do for self with this technology. Sure 16 years is a lot of time but now that I have done what I set out to do I am at that point in the story where I chose to do what needed to be done and not just let time pass me by and can now start to reap the benefits of completing the task I set out to do so many years ago.


I had to sacrifice a lot saving and planning things out was hard to do but I kept my eyes on the prize as I knew from that instructor that if I did nothing then what ever time it would have taken me to complete the task would also pass me by but I'd be in a far worse place having not chosen to invest the time in achieving my goals as time truly waits for no man. There were many times I wanted to simply throw in the towel but what the professor told me was always in the back of my mind. I think this is what kept me going all of these years as the only thing I could control about time was what I chose to do with it. Thus I saved my pennies and used them wisely to buy the needed machines and tools to be able to cut out the middle men whom make it impossible for a small business to survive and thrive as they are dream killers. I haven't went on a vacation since 2009 as I saved all of my monies to get the things I needed to move forwards with this technology. You have to make a plan and stick to it no matter what as again you are not in control of time but only in control of what you choose to do with it. I made many sacrifices in order to get to where I am today with the technology and I think I owe all of that to one professor whom taught me the true meaning of time.


What you will find about people in these social platforms is that they want to see practically a finished product before they willing choose to donate to the cause. You will get some that will be able to see your vision but not many. Just make a good plan that you can follow living within your means and never look back as at the end the time it took for you to complete the mission is going to go by rather you choose to complete the mission or not. You see the true question is when that time comes around where will you be?


With me I am sure there are a lot of people that are praying that I don't succeed due to how they treated me in these online forums over the many years I have been at this but what they don't know is I have already succeeded as I just had to get what I needed to be able to build it correctly which took a lot of time and money as like you I am poor thus it takes more time for us to get things done. Know once you have a working model to show, people will then choose to support your cause. So, learn the ropes and stick to the plan as at the end your vision will prevail if you do just as mines is about to do now. 16 years is what it took for me to complete this mission and I know full well that I could have chosen to do nothing and have achieved nothing in all this time. But for what that professor told me was pertaining to him hearing students saying that it would take them too long to take all of the required courses not realizing that the time it would have taken them to take and complete those courses was out of their control. I just applied what he taught me about time to life in general.


I hope that helps in giving you the strength you need to keep things moving.
Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2022, 03:56:18 AM »
Again Thanks.
It is true I prioritised other things. That was a conscious decision. I have had many ideas and inventions in the past and frankly wasted time working on them. So I decided the family came first. Now I am at the other end and my family is out of the nest and doing well, its time for me, within the limits my wife will accept.
I have waited long enough.

I am thinking of taking a leaf out of the new generation and live streaming while I work, see if I can pick up a few followers on the likes of tik tok and maybe twitch, then make video's as I reach certain milestones.
Good luck with your upcoming launch/revelation I'll look forward to it.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2022, 04:26:20 AM »
Also I watched a video where you were showing a water capacitor, I have often wondered whether high voltage itself was enough to disassociate hydrogen atoms from oxygen atoms. it seems you have made substantial progress on that front (nicely made apparatus BTW). My thoughts were around static electricity at much higher voltages, but very similar in starting points.

I assume you are outputting browns gas, Do you have some statistics output gas volume vs input voltage and current?

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2022, 07:58:30 AM »
Also I watched a video where you were showing a water capacitor, I have often wondered whether high voltage itself was enough to disassociate hydrogen atoms from oxygen atoms. it seems you have made substantial progress on that front (nicely made apparatus BTW). My thoughts were around static electricity at much higher voltages, but very similar in starting points.

I assume you are outputting browns gas, Do you have some statistics output gas volume vs input voltage and current?


Thanks.
This is not browns gas as due to the water bath being highly charged the hydrogen atoms come off as monatomic gas atoms and not molecules as seen in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0 Sadly I broke this cell when I really got it running great as I got too excited and knocked it off the table.  With the next series of WFC's I built I was given some bad information that basically prevented the WFC's from working. It took me a while to figure that out. I think something like 9 years passed before I figure out that the information I was give was incorrect as it's harder to figure things out when trust is part of the problem. I have since corrected that mistake and should be ready to go once again when I build the newest line of transformers to be tested on the now corrected WFC.


Thus far I think I am the only one that has figured those mistakes out that is still currently working on this technology. Most have long since thrown in the towel on this technology as they followed what the man posted not knowing that if they did that bad information would make it so they would never get the technology up and running correctly. I spoke a little about this on my thread but never moved to teach much of anything as I have several people on this forum that truly hate me and the feeling is mutual so I keep things like this to myself because of that. These are the ones I spoke of that pray that I don't succeed whom are supposed to be on the same side but their actions clearly show they are on the side of those that sell energy as six of them banned me from their online forums. I hope you never have to go through what I had to go through and endure. But I did just post a video that shows that what I have been saying about this technology for several years is totally correct and true on my thread.


I think you will have a lot of luck with your videos as right now with prices soaring people are once again looking for solutions thus when shown new ways to escape the madness they should now move to support it.


Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
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True Green Solutions

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2022, 09:37:45 AM »

Thanks.
This is not browns gas as due to the water bath being highly charged the hydrogen atoms come off as monatomic gas atoms and not molecules as seen in this video:
Oh I am surprised. In the video I watched I didn't see any way of separating the hydrogen from the oxygen, Browns gas is what you get if you electrolyse water and don't have a membrane or method to separate the oxygen and hydrogen. That's all browns gas is is, the hydrogen gas and oxygen gas mixed. Otherwise known as HHO.

Browns gas is what all those car electrolyser kits produce.
It is also extremely dangerous as it is very volatile being in the perfect ratio for combustion and will flash back into the generator if not arrested in some, way a bubbler is the most common way.

Can I ask what the misinformation you were given was? It would be interesting to know if I have the fallen for it as well.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2022, 05:16:27 PM »
Hi Chris,


Again with this technology the two gases do come together but as long as you don't take the pressure over 7.7 bar it is safe, I like to remain under 6.8 bar just to be safe for at 7.7 bar the mixture will flash. But again this is more explosive than hho as the hydrogen comes off monoatomic as that's why the water appears that it's boiling as monoatomic hydrogen takes up more space than the diatomic molecule does and if you look closely you will see some of the bubbles darting around not going straight up.


The bad information was to space the gap between the electrodes to 0.0950" in the WFC. What this does is cause the transformers to fail as I calculated the voltage needed to get the WFC working with that large space gap to be around 20-21kv. The only thing separating the positive and negative voltages in the charging choke section of the transformer is the wire's protective coating and take my word for it as it will short out well before you reach 20-21kv as most of my transformers would short out at around 11.5-12kv. Again due to the many haters I have I no longer share exactly what it is I am doing anymore.


Take care,
Edward Mitchell
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2022, 01:33:43 AM »
lol, I have been banned from their as well.

They complained because I pointed out some of their conspiracy theories were straight up illogical.

Bringing logic and critical thinking in to their forum is considered heresy, Pretty much what I would expect from a religious based forum.


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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2022, 05:00:22 PM »
This is the type of disinformation I have to deal with as acts like this has cause many to fail at getting this technology to work properly;
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A question by Kerrowman, AKA, Jules.
Options 2 is the Ed Mitchell approach to Meyer’s system. However, using full ac means that the electrodes are changing polarity with each half cycle so I’m wondering if that is an efficient use of energy. Also, the usual inclusion of a ‘blocking diode’ will surely block the negative half of the cycle anyway.

Answer by SecureSupplies, AKA, Dan Donatelli.
Options 2 is the Ed Mitchell approach to Meyer’s system. However, using full ac means that the electrodes are changing polarity with each half cycle so I’m wondering if that is an efficient use of energy. Also, the usual inclusion of a ‘blocking diode’ will surely block the negative half of the cycle anyway.  Option 2 is not making gas with ac and ac prevent gtnt being made  option 2 is a waste of study time ac as is the thinking of using  just high voltage, it is about the phase angle  so option 2 is wrong and will never make gas unless the phase angle is learnt through long study


You see this is the very type of disinformation that leads folks away from how Meyer's technology actually works. The main thing about Donatelli is I told him quite clearly that I'd block him from ever being able to make a profit off of this technology due to him constantly stealing the work of others pawning it off as his own and it's clear from his response to this other person that he is pissed at me for doing so as I basically called him a Capitalist Pig.


I may have posted the science behind how this technology works on this forum but one thing I can't fix is stupidity. The both of them think I am pushing a AC waveform to the WFC in using the voltage intensifier circuit which is impossible. Why? Because the blocking diode will simply not allow alternating current. The blocking diode ensures that one electrode is always positive and the other is always negative and I can't help folks whom don't understand the basics of diodes in electric circuits.
 
At first glance the waveform might look like an AC waveform but when one does a circuit analysis of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit that thought is quickly ruled out due to the placement of the diode in the circuit. Diodes aren't known for flowing current in two directions, unless they are known to be broken, as they are known for just the opposite as they allow current flow in only one direction, thus the waveform can't be Alternating Current, IE, an AC Waveform. The truly sad thing is, if they had actually read through the technical brief instead of just looking at the pictures they too would know that Meyer put both positive and negative voltages to the plates of the water fuel cell.

This post was made 21 months ago so this person, whomever they may be, has now been lead away from the truth of how this technology actually works by the owner of Securesupplies. Acts like this is why in a world of some 7.96 billion people I am the only one to have solved just how this technology actually works as there are folks out there that actively lead people away from the truth and with this technology one has to be willing to ask and answer their own questions quite a bit. Unlike most I willing chose to make use of the scientific method and I think it is that that has set me apart from everyone else.


I am sure you are going to run into these kinds of people as you move forwards with the technology you care about just as I did with the one I care about.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2022, 01:38:46 AM »
My initial glance told me that the waveform was pulsed DC. its pretty obvious to any one with an electrical background.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 07:48:44 PM »
For years I have lurked here and occasionally commented usually to call out bullshit claims. However, I have along the way had some ideas of my own which I now find myself in the position of having more free time to develop.

I recently retired from my government job as a cyber security specialist, however I am only borderline financial so can't afford to spend a lot of money developing a couple of my idea's. in other words I have more time than money.

My ideas are...
 > an inertial drive
 > permanent magnet motor (non electrical)

Its the permanent magnet motor I want to spend my time on.
So I am looking for ideas for how to raise some funding, even if its a trickle to keep things ticking over.

What I am considering at the moment is a youtube channel where I can show the process of designing and building a proof of concept and something like patreon for supporters to donate on a regular basis. however the biggest problem I have is getting a big enough following for it to work.

These systems all rely on social media, however I am not into social media and don't even have a facebook page.

So really looking for some constructive advice if any one has some experience or thoughts to share.

Hello Chris,

I could give you some advice from my end, my own experience...since we have some common goals, as is a Permanent Magnet Motor.

First, in order to gain audience, just a process of design (CAD's all Art work including 3D Animations) will not work, you will need to build a real model, or prototype, which at least shows some movement.
You have to consider the huge amount of FAKE PM Motors that are out there, and specifically on YouTube.

So, unfortunately (not trying to disappoint you at all) but you need to show that your idea is real and that it works.

I have a YT Channel since early's 2000, around 7.25K Subscribers...However, related to "raising funds" is not really a reliable source of income.

I have built and shown a working Magnetic Motor based on Lüling principle (assisted by Pneumatics), where I have a Donation link...
Well, I have not reached the $500.00 so far on donations...and it has like 18.7K views so far...
I also have a Patreon Channel...

So, "Math" like number of subscribers or number of views, really do not guarantee raising Funds, so it could pay for all your equipment and tools requirements...

So, IMHO, You will need to raise your own funds first, at least to build a small real prototype, which works...then go from there into all your design details, etc,etc.

You have something precious and very valuable on your side, which is "Time" my friend...not everyone have it...

There are ways to build money fast, legally and in high levels of earnings...for example taking a short course on Investments on NYSE, basically dealing with Options (Not Stock's, not ETF's)...You could make thousands in hours...or in a week max. And it will not take too much money to open a Trading Account.

It is just an example...my two pennies...hope it will help you.

Good luck on all your goals!!

Sincerely

Ufopolitics

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2022, 09:49:48 PM »
Hi UFO.

What experiments, modifications and improvements will you do if you get funding?

Chris.

I have seen many people try to use back EMF.

In most motor controllers and motor drivers (including PWM drivers), there is a diode placed backwards across the coil. This diode is not just there to protect the circuitry.

As the field tries to collapse, it induces current in the coil, creating a reverse voltage spike. The current, funnily enough is in the same direction it was originally going. An inductor resists a change in current. The diode then comes into play, closing the circuit so the current can continue to flow in the closed loop, coil to diode to coil etc. This back emf is directly captured here. The additional power from the back EMF is supplied to the rotor, giving the motor more power.

So, capture the back EMF: you will reduce the energy given to the motor, but you will recycle (less efficiently) the lost power back into your battery. I have not seen a setup with a free ride based on back EMF.

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Re: Serious Question, Looking for ways to fund development of a new device
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2022, 12:09:50 AM »
Hi UFO.

What experiments, modifications and improvements will you do if you get funding?

 

Hello Tarsier,

I am not looking for funding, I was just sharing my experience with Chris, to see if it would help him, somehow.

On this site, Overunity.com, I have not used one single line of text, to ask for a Donation, or asked for Funding...
And I already have a Gofundme link on the Luling Magnetic Motor video, but that is for my subscribers.

There is a huge difference between "Funding" and a "Donation"...and I assume anyone here knows the difference.

On Funding you are "contracting" a "Boss" or in plural...a few Bosses...who will request from you to render results in a specific time frame...in other words, you are now "working for your Investors"...

I work completely alone, and if I ever need some work done, that I can not do it myself, I will pay myself for it, like any sub contracted job.

Recently I spent over $2000.00 in a 4 Channel Scope and a couple of Amp Probes...just to do some testing...
But it is fine, it is required to show clear readings...

Regards

Ufopolitics