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Author Topic: Lenz isolation device  (Read 2008 times)

Offline BorisKrabow

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Lenz isolation device
« on: July 20, 2022, 11:50:57 PM »
Hello All ! 
                 Today I present a device that can supposedly isolate Lenz in the secondary magnetic circuit.  In this case, the primary coil should work with low energy costs, since it is little affected by the secondary coil. This is achieved by adjusting the air gaps.
   Presumably, the following processes take place: Air gaps have different sizes. Therefore, Lenz overcomes the air gap of the secondary coil before he has time to influence the primary coil. Thus, the influence of the secondary coil on the primary coil is reduced.
          Apparently, it is necessary to carry out tests with the supply of various signal forms to the primary coil and also control the energy removal from the secondary coil. It is also necessary to adjust the air gaps to obtain the highest efficiency of the device.

                     Best regards Boris

Offline citfta

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2022, 02:05:49 PM »
Hi Boris,


You seem to be confusing Lenz with magnetic flux.  The air gaps will only affect how much energy gets transferred from the primary to the secondary.  In any configuration where the Lenz effect of the secondary is reduced in relation to the primary the efficiency of the transfer of energy from the primary to the secondary will also drop so you can not get as much power from the secondary as you are putting into the primary.  It appears that you don't understand what Lenz actually is.


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Carroll

Offline Xavier

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2022, 02:45:56 PM »
Alex Manzanero has good solution about lenz effect :
https://www.youtube.com/user/alexmanzanero/videos

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2022, 11:40:18 PM »
Citfa
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You seem to be confusing Lenz with magnetic flux.  The air gaps will only affect how much energy gets transferred from the primary to the secondary.  In any configuration where the Lenz effect of the secondary is reduced in relation to the primary the efficiency of the transfer of energy from the primary to the secondary will also drop so you can not get as much power from the secondary as you are putting into the primary.  It appears that you don't understand what Lenz actually is.

Many people do not seems to understand Lenz Law and the only thing Lenz actually claimed is...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law
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Lenz's law, named after the physicist Emil Lenz (pronounced /ˈlɛnts/) who formulated it in 1834, says that the direction of the electric current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes changes in the initial magnetic field.

In this respect I believe many are confusing cause and effect. More so when someone claims that "In any configuration" without knowing the countless possible variations in any possible number of configurations. I think you meant in a normal configuration just like countless people have been repeating for the last 100 years but not every possible configuration. It's semantics but words matter...

I seldom agree with Einstein conceptually but I think he nailed this quote...
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand."

Ergo, it comes down to understanding the rules well enough to know how and when they apply and when they do not. Then as Einstein implied imagining a new way of doing things in which said rules may no longer apply to our new way of thinking.

So what is it were actually looking for then?. In effect, we would want the cause to act on something and the effect should not reflect back to the cause which produced it. As Tesla implied, a transformation, in which the cause acts on something then transforms in such a way that the thing it has now become cannot act on the thing which produced it because it has transformed. In this respect cause and effect cannot be equal because the equation has changed.

Normally A produces an action on B and we could assume the fact that it has results in a reaction from B back to A, equal and opposite as Faraday implied. It is symmetrical by design however what if A on arriving at B transformed into more A?.  Now we have more A and no B, what then?... that's the question.

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AC

Offline phoneboy

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2022, 02:01:07 AM »
@ onepower, I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but screw it.  I'm going out on a limb here by assuming that this thread is in reference to mitigating the mechanical effects of inducing current in a coil (drag).  If so then I believe the way to do this has been shown to us in the Utkin paper (the only thing of real significance in that paper) from ages ago.  You simply don't allow current to flow and work off the changing difference in potential that's created in said coil. That changing difference in potential creates an changing electric field, and that electric field (non static) is due to a verifiable quantity (that can affect charges) that radiates outwardly effectively 1/r that if expressed uniformly in an area even while changing would not produce a magnetic field in that area but outside of it.  You would then use the outward area for induction and effectively bypass the mechanical effects of inducing current in your primary. It's still cause/effect. This would be one of its uses and is a really old idea that's long overdue.

Wayne.

Offline floodrod

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2022, 03:43:07 AM »
@ onepower, I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but screw it.  I'm going out on a limb here by assuming that this thread is in reference to mitigating the mechanical effects of inducing current in a coil (drag).  If so then I believe the way to do this has been shown to us in the Utkin paper (the only thing of real significance in that paper) from ages ago.  You simply don't allow current to flow and work off the changing difference in potential that's created in said coil. That changing difference in potential creates an changing electric field, and that electric field (non static) is due to a verifiable quantity (that can affect charges) that radiates outwardly effectively 1/r that if expressed uniformly in an area even while changing would not produce a magnetic field in that area but outside of it.  You would then use the outward area for induction and effectively bypass the mechanical effects of inducing current in your primary. It's still cause/effect. This would be one of its uses and is a really old idea that's long overdue.

Wayne.

Wayne,

Can you post some more info and links regarding this? I am quite interested to hear more about this.

Thanks

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2022, 02:05:23 PM »
this has been shown to us in the Utkin paper
This?

Offline norman6538

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2022, 04:26:53 PM »
We test the Lenz counter to motion principle by using a magnet and coil on a pendulum. And if you short the coil there will be less swings because the flux generated causes a repel on approach and an attraction as the coil leaves dead center where there is no current produced because the flux is evenly/balanced  pushed into the coil.

Come back with your swings count. I hope it works.

Norman

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2022, 07:04:18 PM »
...
Normally A produces an action on B and we could assume the fact that it has results in a reaction from B back to A, equal and opposite as Faraday implied. It is symmetrical by design however what if A on arriving at B transformed into more A?.  Now we have more A and no B, what then?... that's the question.

Regards
AC

A Black Hole.
We should avoid those.
bi

Offline floodrod

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2022, 11:29:23 PM »
We test the Lenz counter to motion principle by using a magnet and coil on a pendulum. And if you short the coil there will be less swings because the flux generated causes a repel on approach and an attraction as the coil leaves dead center where there is no current produced because the flux is evenly/balanced  pushed into the coil.

Come back with your swings count. I hope it works.

Norman

That's one way. And easier way is to hook your coil to a power supply and spin your rotor the way the magnetism pulls it. If your amperage goes down, lenz drag is affecting your coil. But if your amperage goes up, then you have something special

Offline norman6538

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2022, 01:58:58 AM »
I prefer not to use instruments in proof of concept because they can always be debated. I prefer SEEING so disbelief is not possible.

Norman

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2022, 02:00:59 AM »
We test the Lenz counter to motion principle by using a magnet and coil on a pendulum. And if you short the coil there will be less swings because the flux generated causes a repel on approach and an attraction as the coil leaves dead center where there is no current produced because the flux is evenly/balanced  pushed into the coil.

Come back with your swings count. I hope it works.

Norman
     Hello Norman ,  you have an outdated design  :) . An update is needed.
             https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569030/#msg569030
     in the Holcomb Energy Systems topic, a few of my posts.
  to read the description and get a link to the Reverse Lenz technology, you had to go up a few posts above.
       
         respectfully

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2022, 03:09:50 AM »
Hello All , 
               The device at the beginning of the topic was invented as a basis for testing different ideas.
It can be used as a transformer, but it has much more potential than it seems at first glance.
               The secondary coil with a magnetic circuit prone to shorting tends to parametric resonance.
               Removal of energy from the secondary coil by pulses of various shapes and duty cycles can lead to interesting results .
Well, as usual, different types of impulses to the primary coil, parallel resonance of the secondary and series resonance between both coils, and so on.
               And of course, with a short pulse of energy removal or a short pulse of energy supply (with connected secondary coil), isolation of the magnetic field of the secondary coil in the secondary magnetic circuit is expected. The primary magnetic circuit is not closed, and the secondary has a tendency to close the magnetic field.  It should look something like this: first, the secondary magnetic circuit is filled to some extent with a magnetic field of the same sign, but at the same time increasing or decreasing. At this moment, the load is connected and the current of the secondary winding begins to accumulate a magnetic field with opposite magnetic poles near the air gap of the magnetic circuit.since opposite poles are attracted through the air gap, then at some field value, a significant part of it will overcome the air gap  turning into magnetic flux.  What will actually happen, of course, tests will show, but the effects are expected to be interesting  :)  .
               Best regards Boris

Offline BorisKrabow

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Re: Lenz isolation device
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2022, 12:09:35 PM »
Hello !
                     There is a small update. Between the coils, you can install a material with a slightly lower magnetic permeability.
                     Perhaps this will reduce the influence of the secondary coil on the primary.

                                                                                                           Interesting effects expected  ;D .



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