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Author Topic: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked  (Read 6359 times)

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2022, 04:44:08 PM »
Enjoy


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Offline codwell

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2022, 04:44:29 PM »
If you continue with connecting the containers in step 4, you get same energy from bouyancy as in step 3. After this you get back the exact same state as in step 1. This is actually one whole cycle with this 5th step, I should have created the figures like that. Than you end up with even more energy: 2x0.5 unit of output by bouyancy, 1x0.25 unit of input by raising the right container (water) once in 1 cycle, this is a theoretical maximum of 400% . Again, please correct me if this is wrong, but I don't see any errors in the calculation. Please note that for the sake of simplicity the left container doesn't move at all, only the right one is moved once in the cycle. I put a red helper line to show the level differences of the container bases.

Offline broli

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2022, 06:09:17 PM »
You're better off partnering with a Chinese company to produce toy desktop versions of the idea that might flip flop endlessly and cause a viral phenomena on social media rather than trying to convince the world that buoyancy has hidden features by building mega constructions to prove it. Surely after 10 years, the numerous lawsuits and FBI investigations you realize that at this point it's better to have something out than nothing at all.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2022, 06:23:10 PM »
This seems like such a gadget to me. Question is if this version is able to self run? I don't see why it wouldn't self run at least in small scale if it produces excess energy in large scale as he states.

https://youtu.be/wqbJWBtoFMQ?t=356

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2022, 07:03:05 PM »
Have you solved the first one presented on this thread?



Thanks


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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2022, 08:36:37 AM »
Hi Codwell

Lets pretend for a start you close a valve, then move your container, reopen for water movement.

Your input is the mass of the water, #1-#2, lifting 1 unit. 0.5 x 1 = 0.5

We have an output #2-#3 The water drops half a unit. 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25

We have a theoretical nil transaction #3-#4, A weightless empty container drops half a unit.

We have a second output #4-#5 Water drops half a unit 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25.

Seems like unity to me.

Lets consider the effect Wayne is trying to use in your diagram:

#2-#3  Here the buoyant object on the left of 1 unit rises 0.5 units! Remember for the effect to work, the buoyant object must be submerged at all times. So you are calculating a return of 0.5. How does the Buoyant object on the right lower, while the water drops and still stay submerged? We have to add energy to keep it displacing the water on the way down. This is the equivalent to 1 unit of buoyancy x 0.5 units of distance on the "pull down". -0.5

The same thing happens again #4-#5.

Your other suggestion interests me: Can we move the container, capture the energy of the flow, then still use the water once it settles on the other side?

Buoyancy isn't a magical thing where light things float. Buoyancy is displaced water. You move water from a depth to the surface, displacing it with a "buoyant object" The further you move the water, the more energy you have put in to do so.

Cheers

Kaine.



Offline broli

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2022, 09:07:15 AM »
Buoyancy isn't a magical thing where light things float. Buoyancy is displaced water. You move water from a depth to the surface, displacing it with a "buoyant object" The further you move the water, the more energy you have put in to do so.


I agree with that. It appears there is some sort of leverage effect going on in the old aquarium videos shown. However the Archimedes principle does not quantify this, as irregardless of the shape or depth of the air displacing the liquid the buoyant force should remain the same if the volume of air remains the same?

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2022, 09:36:17 AM »
Btw in the spirit of full disclosure the video made by Markus mentioned the lawsuit was dropped and he got an apology letter. However a quick google search shows that this is far from the truth: OSC Orders Display |Year=%|Search=|Page= (ok.gov)


The lawsuit by the Oklahoma Department of Securities is still going strong it seems and Wayne was ordered to pay up to 2million$ back to "members" that have put money into the invention.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2022, 09:49:29 AM »
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I agree with that. It appears there is some sort of leverage effect going on in the old aquarium videos shown. However the Archimedes principle does not quantify this, as irregardless of the shape or depth of the air displacing the liquid the buoyant force should remain the same if the volume of air remains the same?

Agreed. As you push it lower in the water you add energy, and you can take energy back on the way up. The amount of energy you can get is determined by how far you push it down.... Hence why you can calculate energy of displacement on graph paper.

Offline broli

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2022, 11:07:57 AM »
Agreed. As you push it lower in the water you add energy, and you can take energy back on the way up. The amount of energy you can get is determined by how far you push it down.... Hence why you can calculate energy of displacement on graph paper.


So if you trade in force for distance then what is the big fuss about. I also went through the 10 year old thread here: [size=78%]Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.[/size] Which does not offer much besides countless pages of text. No one has managed to replicate or show any energy production that exceeds the input. So now 10 years later he's back with an on going 2million$ lawsuit and still no working commercial device big nor small. Are we just rolling back time and starting all over?

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2022, 12:07:31 PM »
Btw in the spirit of full disclosure the video made by Markus mentioned the lawsuit was dropped and he got an apology letter. However a quick google search shows that this is far from the truth: OSC Orders Display |Year=%|Search=|Page= (ok.gov)


The lawsuit by the Oklahoma Department of Securities is still going strong it seems and Wayne was ordered to pay up to 2million$ back to "members" that have put money into the invention.


I suggest if your going to be in the spirit of full disclosure you should get your information straight.- Markus mentioned the FBI.

The FBI in fact closed the case and Apologized.


The state, after five years, dropped all allegations, fines and penalties - took my offer to repay any of my friends and family back that wished to exit, and the judge ordered it so. DUh

And - I am paying back $269,000 in loans - and glad to do it.

In the spirit od full disclosure - it was a civil case - not criminal Thanks ...

Do you know what the original claim was?  Free Energy Machines are impossible - must be a fraud.... give that a think for a bit. Smile


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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2022, 12:55:58 PM »

I agree with that. It appears there is some sort of leverage effect going on in the old aquarium videos shown. However the Archimedes principle does not quantify this, as regardless of the shape or depth of the air displacing the liquid the buoyant force should remain the same if the volume of air remains the same?


A Buoyancy force is a result of pressure differentials and no horizontal surface areas - you can look it up on Harvard's study of Buoyancy (its in the foot notes),


Buoyancy - when not interfered with  - typically correlates to Volume not interfered with (opposing forces redirected) in those cases- the shape of the air does not matter.


But when the opposing forces are redirected - those must be accounted for - to have a clear understanding and correct buoyancy calculation.


When you use a contained volume of air to surround a submerged object - that object is not longer buoyancy - and has weight, adding weight to a buoyancy object cancels out some of the buoyancy (if they are attached).


If a contained volume of air surrounds a submerged object and that it is not attached, the objects causes an increase in the pressure - which results in increased buoyancy.


Technically - Pressure "Differences" X  non-vertical Surface areas = buoyancy (horizontal pressures are normally not differential).


So 12 inch cube has a surface area of 144 square inches, 12 inches of head in water is near .43 pounds pressure - no matter the depth - that will be the basic pressure difference. 144*.43 = about 62 pounds force or buoyancy.


Now what the Travis Effect does is three things - the internal displacer takes the place of air - and the Pressure differential requires less volume to maintain the same pressure - and when the inner displacer is externally held - its weight is does not counteract a the buoyant force.


Then, when the inner displacer is attached - its weight counteracts that portion of the buoyancy.


So the built and tested design Markus shared - is a clever way to switch between those two states to cause unequal work - and the obvious elimination of the need for an air compressor. 


Mr Wayne


 






 

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2022, 04:00:39 PM »
We have to add energy to keep it displacing the water on the way down.

Right there, yes. I introduced this as an error. Container need to be lifted higher to actually get the water to flow over if the bouyant objects afloat on top of water after unlock and energy is released. One more figure with the corrected water levels to close this sidetrack.


1. initial state
2. lift right container with water 3 units up: 0.5 x 3 = 1.5
3. transfer water to left container (left bouyant object locked), water displace releases energy: 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25
4. unlock left bouyant object, release energy: 1.0 x 0.5 = 0.5, right container falls down 3 units (weightless)
5. transfer water to right container (right bouyant object locked), water level change releases energy: 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25
6. unlock right bouyant object, release energy: 1.0 x 0.5 = 0.5, getting back to initial state

In: 1.5
Out: 0.25 + 0.5 + 0.25 + 0.5 = 1.5

In = out

Thanks for pointing out the error! Getting back to Mr. Wayne's invention, I still don't understand how it can work.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2022, 04:27:59 PM »
I will be sharing more about the discovery on the board labeled "Wayne Travis Builder Board". Thanks!


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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2022, 06:24:50 PM »
Hi Codwell

It doesn't work. The force x distance input = force x distance output. It is in Waynes financial interest to try to bamboozle everyone with fairy dust and BS.