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Author Topic: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked  (Read 6406 times)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2022, 12:09:07 AM »

Thank You Jim,


Markus did a great job, he is amazing! His modeling of the travis effect was a mistake - here is a link to the original video by Tom.


Travis Effect 5


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW0LKPM0Tvk


Thats my channel if you want to watch all five Videos Tom made.


Wayne
id already found them thanks. Subscribed to the old channel and the fresh one :)

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2022, 12:10:59 AM »
id already found them thanks. Subscribed to the old channel and the fresh one :)


I wish I could find the old channel lol


Wayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2022, 12:28:49 AM »

I wish I could find the old channel lol


Wayne
I thought it was this one. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgcpOIwaOtRf37y9hBwuefg

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2022, 12:50:40 AM »
I thought it was this one. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgcpOIwaOtRf37y9hBwuefg


Thats It! Thanks
 
I will see if I can reset my password... Thanks again!


Wayne

Offline Tarsier_79

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2022, 12:01:33 PM »
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I am sorry if this sounds rough - but it does matter - if the inner and outer are connected - its your demonstrated lack of experience with buoyancy that is confusing you - try to be a bit more patient, you are learning new things.

(slaps hand to forehead). Buoyancy is determined by total volume and total weight. The weight on the left is the same as the weight on the right. Buoyancy doesn't care that the weight on the right is not fully submerged. Due to the fact that the outer container is fixed at this time to the inner container, buoyancy only cares about the total mass and the total volume. The difference between the left and right is only the difference of volume in the outer container. So in magical cartoon world with 0 frictions, the lifting weight cancels the falling weight, regardless of what that is.

The only thing I am learning is just how little you understand your own design.

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So for those of you who have been following - a couple of critics here just revealed why my system has a work difference - Now they don't get it yet - but they will.
When the one side is being pulled down - its buoyancy is "the actual air volume" value of buoyancy - and this is the input cost (sinking a buoyant object a distance).
Now this sinking action positions the other side in the Initial Travis Effect position - and as everyone should d know by now - the Travis effect is special for the fact that the buoyancy work exceeds the air volume required.

Work = Force x distance.

firstly, I would like to admit my mistake. No-one picked me up on it, but a self sanity check did. So here is the sanity check: eyeballling the setup, we have approx half the volume pulled down twice the distance, compared to an "effective" twice volume moving over half the distance. So in cartoon land, we have something like a unity transaction, if you look at this single image (cartoon1) It appears like the output looks slightly OU....but when you examine the movement of the air transfer, it is soon apparent the power stroke is less than the calculated 21 x 20. This can be seen in the "cartoon3" image where the air is not pumped as low down in the container due to container positioning at the start. This increases through the movement.

The upshot is my original calculated 76% is incorrect. my mistake was using a buoyancy pulldown of 21 in stead of 14.  In cartoon land, the actual work in vs work out = unity.









Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2022, 12:32:43 PM »

Thanks for trying again, you get closer each time.


Let me first say the "ideal" set up is in the spread sheet - which is near 200%


The cartoon depiction you are referencing is [size=78%]147%[/size]


The outer container - of the Travis effect is called a Riser - it does in fact travel twice the distance of the Inner displacer called a Pod.


Important helpful note - half of the riser movement is caused by the air transferring due to air seeking its lower pressure.  It was paid for with the same cost of lowering the pod and riser.


A bit more knowledge for you:

Buoyancy is a "result" of "pressure differential times the Surface area" which is not a new understanding - but until the Travis Effect discovery - volume was sufficient to determine lift.


Once it was discovered that the volume was not always predictive of lift in every scenario and design - a more in depth (pun) understanding and method of prediction is required.


Notice how difficult it has been for you to grasp the function - as you tried to stick with volume. one of the reasons this simple energy generation was not discovered sooner.


What you will discover, if you study the process closer, is that When a liquid is displaced, four potentials are created - not just buoyancy:
 
Compressed air
Raised Water
and lift potential
Downward force on the tank
   
Add clever design,
such as the pod switching from being a weight to being neutrally buoyant
Moving air as a secondary reaction to another work (which means unpaid for)
Adding complexion a systems to "increase efficiency" as the free moving air proves.



All of these aspects are important, as they are simple reactions which when controlled in such a manner to create an asymmetrical work process proves free energy, or caused energy is completely and simple possible.


Thank you all.


Mr Wayne


 

Offline citfta

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2022, 12:52:18 PM »
(slaps hand to forehead). Buoyancy is determined by total volume and total weight. The weight on the left is the same as the weight on the right. Buoyancy doesn't care that the weight on the right is not fully submerged.


The statement I highlighted is incorrect.  Bouyancy is also determined by how much of the object is submerged.  That is the part you are missing.  Try to push a cork underwater.  As you try to push it down the bouyancy increases.  Or try to lift a neutral bouyant object.out of the water. As soon as you start to lift it out of the water you will see that it gets much heavier.


Respectfully,
Carroll

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2022, 03:48:02 PM »
Ok, Overunity,


A bit of back story - I observed the Opportunity to exploit "under Input" in 2008 - In fact every single system I built, using that method conformed to standard physics - pay less than ideal cost - subtract losses and you have a "Remainder".


p.s. I built over 40 different types - 1/3 of those models used the Travis Effect, 1/3 used the Concentration of head or mass, and 1/3 used the COTI Method (which is an admixture process where the design counter acts the Primary work and utilize the secondary).  [size=78%] [/size]


All of them had different scientific discoveries, and all of them caused a remainder. The Model I shared is the least mentally complicated of all, which is why I selected to share it. The dual System will max out at 200% but a quad system will max out at 400% and so on, a 4 pair system will max at 800% Because the cost reduction is additive.




I know it looks exactly like Over Unity, as in the end result of Under Input is the same thing as a Over unity device would have - so for the sake of avoiding an argument on the real deep physics, I will go with the Term Over unity - since to most that really just means some form of free energy.


I have spent 12 Years full time studying the science and mapping the New Laws which govern the discovery, and the new physics and i have at least 5 Nobel prize worthy - improvements to physics, all of which benefit mankind. 


But most of the world is like MemoryMan, and the other guy, who attack and slander what they don't understand, Of my 12 years working on the science, I have a total of 9 years being attacked by the US Government - FBI and State Securities, get this, they had no victims and no crime - just an outside complainer saying "EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE",


Yes, I won both cases - but the point wasn't to convict me - neither had any evidence what so ever of wrong doing... What they did was try to slander me - just to slow or to prevent progress and that worked - my first closed looped system was in 2010. Think on how much waste and time has been lost, how much benefit has been prevented..


I invited Markus, who is an engineer, and does media as a hobby, to make a few videos, his next video is on why I am patented internationally and how that allows me to authorize partnerships world wide, and how that will work. Hint its designed to empower builders around the world.


The Spread sheet is from a member of this forum, sharp man.


So - here is the way the World works - "Disinformation" I mentioned those two you tube videos Markus produced - they wont show up in any searches - unless you know Markus, but 500 phony free energy machines will, and 25 debunkers, and an uncountable number of people who call free energy Stupid.
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Now, Why I post here - the Model I showed is so simple, and is undebunkable -and part two - I am looking for some good research writer or university to share the 12 years of knowledge with - to be published. Honestly I don't care if you take credit - as long as I and my team are mentioned as contributors..


I will advise you, we already have a lot in the works - so  "Net flix" type series, three stages of funding lined out, over 500 high energy consumers, LOI s from several Unities and more designs being built.


My Email is traviseffect@protonmail.com


Sincerely,
MrWayne

« Last Edit: August 01, 2022, 08:05:35 PM by mrwayne »

Offline Tarsier_79

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2022, 09:40:41 PM »
Hi Carroll

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Bouyancy is also determined by how much of the object is submerged.   
Correct.

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Try to push a cork underwater.  As you try to push it down the bouyancy increases.  Or try to lift a neutral bouyant object.out of the water. As soon as you start to lift it out of the water you will see that it gets much heavier.
Correct

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That is the part you are missing.
I am not missing anything. Look at the diagram. The weight is essentially in a container of air, and all of the container is submerged. Its buoyancy is determined by its displacement and weight. The volume of the weight still displaces the same volume of water, even if it is in the container, and the remainder is displaced by the air.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2022, 10:09:42 PM »
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Thanks for trying again, you get closer each time.

I am already the closest to the correct answer. The answer is: in an ideal world this system is designed to be as efficient as possible, and closes in on 100%. In the real world you will experience massive frictions and losses in your moving parts + powering your actuators.

It is your understanding that is flawed. Your spreadsheet is incorrect. Your physical design is inherently inefficient. Any device you build based on this will not produce OU. Any money investors give you will be as if they had tossed it into the wind. (Just like my time here arguing with you.)

I have given enough of my time on this stupidity. I will happily help anyone understand why your design doesn't work if they ask though.

Time will show your design for what it truly is......worthless.

What I haven't figured out yet:  if you are just unable to grasp the true physics behind your flawed design, or if you are a very skilled con artist.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2022, 10:51:09 PM »
I wanted to try to find an even simpler model what Mr. Wayne showed to us, and I think I did. Anyone please correct my calculations if it's wrong. The model comprises of 2 containers with 2 bouyant objects (volume of 1 unit each), 2 containers (volume of 2 units each), opened on the top to let the air in. Theoretical maximum dimensions are used for calculations for the bouyant object.

1. Initial state: left container in this state is considered weightless, right containers contains 0.5 unit of water
2. Right container is lifted up 1 unit with 0.5 unit of effective weight (water):
W = F x s = 0.5 x 1 = 0.5 (input work)
3. Containers are connected, water will level out, left bouyant object rises 0.5 units
with 1 unit of force
W = F x s = 1 x 0.5 = 0.5 (output work)
4. Right container falls (considered weightless), cycle starts again with the other container creating output

Right here input and output seems to be equal, but in step 3 there’s some work done by the water flow, and it can be harnessed if containers are connected while the container is lifted in step 2.
Then the weight is decreasing while the container is lifted, the function is linear, the weight goes from 0.5 → 0.0, the average is 0.25, with this W = 0.25 (input).
This is the same work when the 0.5 weight water falls down 0.5 unit. System efficiency changes to 200% excluding any losses.

This is the same figure as Mr. Wayne stated. Where is my calculation wrong? If this is not OU, then it should be a theoretical 100% excluding the losses, and not 200%.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2022, 11:32:44 PM »
I am already the closest to the correct answer. The answer is: in an ideal world this system is designed to be as efficient as possible, and closes in on 100%. In the real world you will experience massive frictions and losses in your moving parts + powering your actuators.

It is your understanding that is flawed. Your spreadsheet is incorrect. Your physical design is inherently inefficient. Any device you build based on this will not produce OU. Any money investors give you will be as if they had tossed it into the wind. (Just like my time here arguing with you.)

I have given enough of my time on this stupidity. I will happily help anyone understand why your design doesn't work if they ask though.

Time will show your design for what it truly is......worthless.

What I haven't figured out yet:  if you are just unable to grasp the true physics behind your flawed design, or if you are a very skilled con artist.


Dear Friend, the one thing you forget in all of your effort - I build and test every design. Thanks Wayne

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2022, 10:46:08 AM »
Hi Codwell

The buoyant object is weightless? Why is the water lifting to the top of it? What is the value add of the buoyant object in this case? is the buoyant object locked in place so it doesn't float on top of the water?

Just trying to understand before I look at the math.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2022, 02:12:01 PM »
I wanted to illustrate that the bouyant object is a bit smaller than the container in practice, so it can freely move inside it, it can be surrounded by water so it can be lifted up by water flowing inside the container. The work from this lift could be harnessed the same way as it's in Mr. Wayne's animation, with a hidraulic cylinder for example. In real world the object would rise above the water level (think of a balloon on water), but you can only calculate with the work easily while it's submerged in water completely. Think of it like the hidraulic cylinder stops it right there in the upper position and doesn't allow to raise out more from water.

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Re: The breakthrough in Free Energy - a system that cannot be debunked
« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2022, 03:54:11 PM »
I wanted to illustrate that the bouyant object is a bit smaller than the container in practice, so it can freely move inside it, it can be surrounded by water so it can be lifted up by water flowing inside the container. The work from this lift could be harnessed the same way as it's in Mr. Wayne's animation, with a hidraulic cylinder for example. In real world the object would rise above the water level (think of a balloon on water), but you can only calculate with the work easily while it's submerged in water completely. Think of it like the hidraulic cylinder stops it right there in the upper position and doesn't allow to raise out more from water.


If you compare 2 and 4 your whole system actually lost half a unit in total height (potential energy) so input is not equal to output work and there was an energy loss. This loss of potential energy is due to the kinetic energy gain of water flow between the containers in step 3. I don't believe this is what Wayne is saying.