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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2022, 08:38:13 PM »
I am not yet qualified to comment on (non-super) electrical conduction / induction devices.
While there are countless claims to overunity, the math is generally unfavorable by material choice.


That is not to say that creating emf disturbances cannot lead to a (net) energy from our perspective.
Just that i do not have successful experience enough to speak on these issues outside the theoretical.


I do feel it should be at least accounted for in this discussion, given the number of electromagnetic devices in progress.




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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2022, 08:50:00 PM »
stivep

Unity is COP=1, the input or cause is always equal and opposite to the output or effect. COP1 is the natural order of things for obvious reasons otherwise any natural system could grow or gain energy exponentially and chaos would ensue.

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That sounds a lot like the commonly accepted theories of universal expansion.
I, myself cannot accept these theories as they stand, afterall expansion posits that we are at the center of expansion, while big-bang from which it is inherited posits this location very far away.
Making it contradictory to itself.


That with the number of observable galaxies moving towards us, its pretty much garbage to assume the universe is infinitely ‘growing’
Rather that it expands and contracts in specific regions plottable in a mathematical formula.
Giving it the shape of a quadrapole electromagnet. Folds in on itself in 4 places.
But thats neither here nor there, pardon the pun.


The point is, (atoms and molecules withstanding) if the natural order of things were COP=1,
i dont think any of us would be here.
I believe that natural order of things ranges from:
 COP=0   A completely destructive system
to COP = infinity.      A completely constructive system


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2022, 04:55:23 AM »
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Perpetual Motion is NOT, however, the same as “Overunity”.

Overunity implies that the system is NOT in a state of motile equilibrium,
but rather constantly providing energy to outside systems.

Many think that the laws of science are rigid but in fact there are many grey areas and misunderstandings.

For example, the COE demands that any cause should produce an equal and opposite effect and this is true. Otherwise were left with the notion that something can be created from nothing which is illogical. It took a long time to figure out this quagmire but in the end I found OU is valid and the laws of science and the COE are as well.

You see the problem is not science but the kind of logic and reason most use to justify a position. Many use the appeal to purity or authority fallacy supposing that many know better than them and there logic is infallible. Many also rely on the bandwagon fallacy supposing that just because more people believe something longer it is more justified. However we have irrefutable proof none of this is true because our knowledge and beliefs are always changing and were always making progress. Ergo, nothing is static and everything changes eventually.

As it were I found the impossible problem of overunity fairly straightforward. Logically, if unity means cause and effect must always be equal and opposite then overunity means there must be a secondary mechanism present which prevents unity from occurring. So your line of reason is much better than most and not far off the mark.

In fact, many FE inventors claimed the system they devised was based on the premise that it was perpetually seeking an equilibrium it was never allowed to find. Ergo, a secondary force or effect was present which prevented unity/equilibrium from occurring. In which case these inventors quite literally told us exactly what they were trying to do... prevent equilibrium.

This is the procedure...
1)We should educate ourselves and seek an intimate understanding of exactly what happens in our devices and why.
2)We should seek ways and means to prevent what we don't want to happen and action to promote what we do.
3)Keep trying until something works.

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AC

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2022, 05:58:36 AM »
I will add to that Onepower in that we need to constantly look at nature and learn how it does things as that moves us to understand a lot of said "Grey Areas we have in science." When it comes to nature generally speaking it does things in the most efficient ways possible as the survival of the fittest demands it!


I remember well when regoing over photosynthesis many told me I was just wasting my time as it's all said and done. But I didn't listen to them as I had questions that needed answers that main stream science wasn't able to answer. Simple questions like, "How does a plant break the bonds of the water molecules?" When going over photosynthesis very carefully I found the answer to my question. That answer lead to a whole new theory of how nature goes about breaking the bonds of molecules as water isn't the only molecule that is broken down by taking the electrons away from the atoms that make up the molecules.
I find that right now at this very moment folks don't see this new theory as important and treat it as a waste of words as they simply haven't tried to apply the theory to unknowns experimentally as of yet. I find that folks that just cling to the laws of thermal dynamics as the holy grail that can not be broken simply are not open minded to the fact we don't know everything there is to know about the world around us and beyond. These people act as we know all there is to know and thus really will have no more scientific discovery in our world with the way they act towards any new claim. They fail to realize that those laws of thermal dynamics fail to answer how it is we are alive.


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2022, 09:20:57 AM »
It turns out, we heat two completely identical bimetallic plates,
one is free, the second moves some kind of load, in short it does work.
The amount of heat will be different spent to heat up to one
temperature?
If two identical springs are lowered into a salt solution and a multimeter is connected, then there will be no current. But if one spring is compressed (or stretched) - a current will flow through the external circuit.
Is that really true ??


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2022, 04:21:13 PM »
Hi Edward, 
I was thinking that they know exactly how the bond of water is broken by plant life, namely through the photoelectric effect by EM radiation (sun rays), 4(?) electrons are knocked off per 2H2O. 
Is there a missing piece to this knowledge? 
Ok maybe I see where you're going, nothing else than EM energy is breaking the bonds by only removing 4 covalent electrons, it even creates an electric current by releasing electrons (which is inhibited by the amp consuming device to prevent making the water conductive?). 
aka "the electric polarization process." how Meyer named it ? 


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2022, 07:17:42 PM »
Hi Edward, 
I was thinking that they know exactly how the bond of water is broken by plant life, namely through the photoelectric effect by EM radiation (sun rays), 4(?) electrons are knocked off per 2H2O. 
Is there a missing piece to this knowledge? 
Ok maybe I see where you're going, nothing else than EM energy is breaking the bonds by only removing 4 covalent electrons, it even creates an electric current by releasing electrons (which is inhibited by the amp consuming device to prevent making the water conductive?). 
aka "the electric polarization process." how Meyer named it ? 


regards


Hi Alan,


No, they missed this for if they had figured this out no one would have questions what Meyer and others like him had done. Not even Meyer himself knew about this connection for if he did his water injectors would have been designed differently. Again the question was, "How does a plant break the bonds of the water molecules?" Now in the photo you can see just how a plant does this but note they didn't understand that the very act of taking away the electron from the atoms that make up the water molecules is what broke the bonds of those molecules as knowing that leads to another question with a whole new line of test to be performed. This question that arises from knowing this is, "How many different ways do we know of in getting the electrons away from their atoms?" With this question more testing or observations of things must be done. One thing we need to be looking for with water is the generation of hydrogen and oxygen gases, and the creation of an electrical charge.


I found out that all the ways that we know of in how to get the electrons away from their atoms will work at breaking the bonds of the water molecules when I ran a lot of my searches now having something to look for. My first search was from something I read a long time ago about the devices they use to smash or collide atoms. They used water as their dielectric and the intense magnetic fields would cause the water molecules to break down. Over time the electric charge created would gain enough energy to over come the gases resistance to current flow and create a spark where the gases had pooled up in machine and cause an explosion which put water all over their expensive equipment. For them this was a problem and they solved it by carefully redesigning their machines so the magnetic field stayed below that threshold to get break down the water molecules. Again what I was looking for was three things, the evolution of gases and the creation of an electric charge.
Then I turned my attention to the Nuclear reactors of Fukushima and my explanation fits far better than theirs on why those reactors blew up. You see there was no power going to the buildings as the title wave took everything out. Their explanation says the it was the heat that broke the bonds of the water molecules and those gases then got trapped and a pressure of 7.7 bar cause the explosions. But those buildings weren't sealed up like that in that they would be able to contain the gases effectively as the buildings did have air conditioning. My explanation of what caused those buildings to blow up is by way of bombardment the radiation was intense enough to knock off the atoms electrons, which broke down the water molecules and created a charge as the electrons remained in the water bath. Those gases collected in the celling of the building but not at the pressures they are stating. Once the charge had enough energy to overcome the air's resistance to current flow it created a spark in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen and the rest is history.


I then looked at TWA flight 800 the plane that blew up shortly after takeoff on the east coast of America. I found that it flew into an active thunderstorm which the thunder we can hear and feel on the ground is caused by a hydrogen/oxygen explosion taking place in the clouds. The water is broken down by the storm system at the bottom of the clouds and then floats up to the top of the cloud were it is ignited by the tiny sparks there. My explanation is the plane intercepted a large pocket of hydrogen gases and it's engines ignited the mixture blowing the plane to Kingdome come. In my search I found several planes that went down this way so, that's not an isolated incident. I had already figured out that lightening and thunder were two different things so it was just a question of finding planes that flew into active thunderstorm and blowing up or getting severely damaged from doing so.


In my own experiments I had observed the gases coming out of the resonant cavities were mostly large bubbles and didn't look like typical electrolysis at all with those fine bubbles. Then it dawned on me that monoatomic hydrogen occupies more space that diatomic hydrogen does which would explain the larger bubble sizes I was observing. Plus listening to Dr. Czysz talk about what he observed that water appeared to be boiling clued me in on this as boiling water looks very different than electrolysis does and I am pretty sure he knew what boiling water looks like. He talks about this in this video: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjpVcsRQLc[/size][size=78%] [/size]


Dr. Czysz eye witness account of this technology in operation really help me to solve this technology. That and my asking many different questions and then answering those questions. As when a plant breaks the bonds of the water molecules like this an electric charge is created as that's how this type of water separations works. As you can see in the drawing a plant has an electron acceptor molecule and the light from the sun simply pushes the electrons into higher orbits about the atoms and when those electrons get out too far that molecules catches them and the water molecules they formed are no more. The scientist were only looking for how a plant generated electricity and if they figure out how it did that they could then supply electricity to the power grid and get paid. They completely missed that the plant broke the bonds of the water molecules by simply taking away the electrons from the atoms that made up the water molecules. If they had known this they wouldn't have stated that Meyer's technology was breaking the laws of thermal dynamics as the technology is breaking the bonds of the water molecules just like a thunderstorm does but then most people don't know that about thunderstorms either as they think lighting breaks the bonds of the water molecules. Lighting is a result of a run away reaction taking place by the decomposition of the water molecules as the electron remains in the water. It is the voltage potential that breaks the bonds of the water molecules in thunderstorms as it's been observed that at the bottom of the cloud the air under a thunderstorm is very humid and ionized hydrogen atoms split apart from water vapor contribute red to the glow so that ionized humid air glows violet.


Hydrogen isn't typically found in nature all by itself as it's normally attached to other atoms but it's found ionized in thunderstorms by the light it creates as it goes from a higher energy state to a lower one which gives off a red glow as the atoms move to stabilize themselves with other hydrogen atoms to form stable diatomic hydrogen molecules. From all of this I was able to figure out a brand new theory for the books of science as a plant also breaks the bonds of carbon dioxide by taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the carbon dioxide molecules. It has no use for the oxygen and lets it go but it keeps the carbon so that it can create the things it needs to grow, live, and thrive with the hydrogen atoms it got from the water molecules. Now hopefully you can see why I just don't give this technology away as this took a lot of work, experimenting, and observing the results to figure out. For me I was taught good observations is good science and I am naturally a very observant person. Meyer would always say, "One has to ask the right questions," and I proved that I was the man for the job in asking and answered those very different questions. It took me many years of study to learn all of this and once done I did as promised and shared the science behind this technology but just the science as someone has to implement this technology by way of mass production and that information I don't share as our system of governance 'capitalism' doesn't allow that.


This is not an easy technology to get working correctly as even Meyer was stuck on trying to get the injectors to work at the time when he passed away. He never got the chance to figure out why the injectors didn't work but I did only because I was allowed to live longer. Now when I looked at how a plant broke the bonds of the water molecules I did so in a step by step fashion looking over photosynthesis very carefully to see if they missed anything and I found what they glossed over in their quest to figure out how a plant created electricity so that they could eventually build solar cells to put power on the nation's energy grid system and get paid.


With Meyer's technology it's the waveform that prevents amp flow through the water bath not the resistance in the wires. Due to the function of the blocking diode the capacitor is polarized where one side will always be positive and the other will always be negative and when that happens the total energy must be summed. When you take the sum all that is left over will pass through the water bath but it really isn't up to the task of performing electrolysis as it's not enough energy to do so. This is why the water never heats, (as stated by Dr. Czysz's eye witness accounts of this technology), up as the waveform cancels out the current when properly balanced to have equal positive and negative voltages. This technology is very complicated and as such we can't expect people to recreated it even given a full set of plans as it simply cost too much to make "One Offs." It must go into mass production to bring the cost down as again that's just how capitalism works. Plus one has to have the skill and tools necessary to implement this technology. It took me many years to get the equipment I needed to build and test this technology correctly and I am finding myself still needing to buy more. People just wanting to jump into this technology will be totally shocked at the entry level cost to get things up and running. Plus I had to go to college to learn a lot and be trained as a mechanic to know how to deal with engines. All of this takes time as it took many years to learn what I know now as I didn't just wake up one day and all of this knowledge was in my head ready to be used.


I've been working on this technology since March of 2006 and some things I have learned new about this technology I only did so in the past few months. So, for me more than 16 years have passed and now I am finally ready to put this technology on the marketplace right when this world appears to need this technology the most to deal with rising fuel prices that are pushing many out of their homes. That time doesn't include me going to college or learning how to be an effective mechanic that was good at troubleshooting problems. This is why I feel am the right person for the task at hand as I put in my time on figuring out this technology and have the drive to see this through.


Shalom Everyone,
Edward Mitchell
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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2022, 07:17:45 PM »
Photosynthesis (like many complex areas of science) is convoluted by the education system.
The knowledge we seek is separated across 3 distinct fields and their knowledge is not shared.
This was planned this way intentionally by the accreditation board to stagnate technological progress.


The first field is of course biology. More specifically biology of plantlife.
Here we learn how water is drawn up by the plant, and how sunlight is used to produce energy and growth.


The second field is electrochemistry.
Here we learn how photons enter the magnesium crystal inside the chloroplasts, and catalyze the reaction.


The 3rd field is organic chemistry. Here we learn how the water molecule is broken down and reformed into new compounds and molecules.


Together, all of the knowledge is attainable, however, educationally no one person is exposed to all 3 fields with sufficient advancement to gain a full comprehension.


It is not that we don’t know. It is that we segregate the knowledge to prevent the knowing.

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2022, 08:46:28 PM »
Photosynthesis (like many complex areas of science) is convoluted by the education system.
The knowledge we seek is separated across 3 distinct fields and their knowledge is not shared.
This was planned this way intentionally by the accreditation board to stagnate technological progress.


The first field is of course biology. More specifically biology of plantlife.
Here we learn how water is drawn up by the plant, and how sunlight is used to produce energy and growth.


The second field is electrochemistry.
Here we learn how photons enter the magnesium crystal inside the chloroplasts, and catalyze the reaction.


The 3rd field is organic chemistry. Here we learn how the water molecule is broken down and reformed into new compounds and molecules.


Together, all of the knowledge is attainable, however, educationally no one person is exposed to all 3 fields with sufficient advancement to gain a full comprehension.


It is not that we don’t know. It is that we segregate the knowledge to prevent the knowing.


I think you are correct sm0ky2 as due to my field of study being the Army wanted me to do one thing and I wanted to do another I was exposed to two out of the three you mentioned. Once I started asking and answering my own questions as I made use of the scientific method I was able to see just what a plant actually did to break the bonds of the molecules it broke down. That lead me to learning about the earth's global electric circuit as it was there that I figured out that lightening and thunder were not created by the same forces. Plus I was able to make a direct comparison between the earth's global electric circuit to Meyer's voltage intensifier circuit and saw that they matched up perfectly. That blocking diode ensures the current goes in the same direction as the earth's global electric circuit.


When I first posted this in my thread many people outright laughed in my face as they ridiculed the whole idea, but since I learned this by making use of the scientific method I just ignored them. That VIC is fairly simple so it surprises me that no one ran a current flow analysis of the circuit as that switch is either on or it's off. When the switch is ON the capacitor is allowed to discharge and when the switch is OFF the chokes are allowed to charge the capacitor(s). This part to me was very simple but it's not easy to build a high voltage transformer like this and have it last for hours on end. Some of my transformers shorted out within a minute of me turning on the switch. I think what got too me and made me mad was those that came to my thread posting an opposing view having done no form of actual experimenting on the technology and then seeing that people would choose to listen to them instead of the one that was actually performing real world experiments.


But I wonder is what you spoke of done deliberately or by those just seeking to claim their piece of the dollar pie? Money tends to makes folks act strangely as they seek to maximize profit. I really don't like capitalism but I am stuck in this system by default. To me this system will kill the planet's ability to support life as we know it as profit is put above all else.


Thanks for the insight,
Edward Mitchell
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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2022, 01:07:00 AM »
I don’t believe it could be anything other than intentional division of the knowledge.
True, it is done under the guise of preparing students for particular jobs or skill-sets,
and several decisions involve corporate influence. But it is done far too meticulously
and encompasses too many areas of study to be a mere side effect of industry.


I recommend that every student assimilate as many degree-curriculums as possible,
even if done on their own. One pass through the system will not fully educate a person
in all areas of science and knowledge. And all are necessary for the big picture.
With a Masters or even a Doctorate, you have only been exposed to but the small fraction that
pertains to your field of study.


For any one subject, there are many others that hold the clues and keys to unlocking the knowledge.
If you study electromagnetism, electronics, signal processing, etc.
You should also study music, magnetics, mechanics, and communication theory.
For example


The problem many have with their own education, is they feel the knowledge they were given is the end-all say-all for all things that are to be known. The individual does not even possess all that we do know, much less any knowledge of that which we do not know.
That won’t stop them from arguing to death about what they believe to be impossible.
The more expensive their degree, the stronger this reinforcement of the value of their knowledge becomes. Sometimes to the point of fear when new information threatens to prove it wrong.


[size=78%] Even the savants like Maxwell and Tesla never stopped learning until the day they died.[/size]
The average man can’t even comprehend the full extent of their discoveries,
 and none could come close in 4-7 short years of schooling.


The real question is not wether Overunity is possible,
But why you do not believe it to be.
The authority of your professor?
Trust in the accreditation system?
The contents of a book written 300 yrs ago?
Or do you truly believe you understand the entire universe?


Quantum Theory, is itself, a study of overunity in discrete systems.
And we as humans have barely begun to scratch the surface of this science.


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(  quote from an unruly student:   “Umm professor Johnson, my circuit appears to be Overunity and keeps burning itself up”


Professor:  “That’s illegal, here use this ferrite bead”)

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2022, 03:52:17 AM »
the problem is that this discussion can't go on forever .
      The substance has a decay time and after 10 (to the 120th degree) years,
      all the substance will disappear.
      The last Black Holes will disappear in 10 (to the 160th degree) years by their radiation.
       
         as they say "nothing lasts forever under the moon"
                 though with the moon problems will occur much earlier ......   :)

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2022, 10:53:50 PM »
the problem is that this discussion can't go on forever .
      The substance has a decay time and after 10 (to the 120th degree) years,
      all the substance will disappear.
      The last Black Holes will disappear in 10 (to the 160th degree) years by their radiation.
       
         as they say "nothing lasts forever under the moon"
                 though with the moon problems will occur much earlier ......   :)


But then of course, the last black hole had created a large star that went supernovae
Forming a new black hole…..
Or multiple new black holes may have occured as a result of the first having lived.
Which will form stars of its’ own, etc, etc.