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Offline onepower

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What is overunity?
« on: June 07, 2022, 10:49:29 PM »
Overunity,
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1. Also called: perpetual motion of the first kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy. It is impossible in practice because of friction.
2. Also called: perpetual motion of the second kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that derives its energy from a source at a lower temperature. It is impossible in practice because of the second law of thermodynamics

I will break this down for clarity...
1) perpetual motion of the first kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy. It is impossible in practice because of friction.

First, what is a "mechanism", a mechanism is defined as a system or structure of moving parts that performs some function.

As such an atom is a mechanism which has moving parts and performs a vital function we call matter. Atoms also contain Electrons, Protons and Neutrons which are in perpetual motion. As well all astronomical bodies, ie. in outer space, are mechanisms having many parts which obviously perform a function we call the universe. All the atoms and astronomical bodies are known to be in perpetual motion because the space between the stuff in question is devoid of matter and has no friction.

As such one has to wonder who came up with these absurd and contradictory definitions. I mean, it is contrary to everything even our children are taught in grade school and a display of gross ignorance to all of nature in my opinion.

2)Also called: perpetual motion of the second kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that derives its energy from a source at a lower temperature. It is impossible in practice because of the second law of thermodynamics.

I call this equally nonsensical argument the "thermodynamics gambit".

This nonsensical argument also relies on ignorance versus the actual facts of a matter. For example, a fission reactor is a mechanism, it also derives it's energy from a source at a lower temperature. This is true because the energy source is the perpetual motion of the Electrons, Protons, Neutrons of the atom configured in a given geometry as an element, usually uranium. The temperature, a measure of molecular motion, is different than the atomic/kinetic energy of particles. In fact there is a growing body of evidence that fusion can be performed on any element/material. We could be fusing household garbage for energy in the future.

Here's a clue, what is the temperature of an electric or magnetic field?. Uhm, wait a minute, what?...
You see we can't measure the temperature of a Primary Field because it's not a material thing like matter but it's in perpetual motion and it's a property of matter and space directly related to energy.

Here's another clue, What is energy?. Energy is the capacity of something to perform work, work is a force causing something to move through a distance. Key word... move. All energy relates to the motion of something and since Energy/motion is always conserved it cannot be destroyed. Key word... perpetual, because it cannot be destroyed it must always remain in motion perpetually. What part of perpetual do people not understand?...

This keeps topic keeps coming up over and over and to be honest it's absurd. There is literally no valid argument against perpetual motion because the conservation of energy demands everything must be in perpetual motion... all energy is motion on some level.

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AC





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Offline h20power

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2022, 07:29:50 AM »
If you think about the big picture "Over Unity" is hydrogen as all life on this planet must have it to live as this world already runs on hydrogen. Without hydrogen there would be no life on this planet and anything alive is by definition in a state of over unity and main stream science has no idea how things are alive or what gives things life to begin with.


The reason why no one ever solved the work of Stanley Meyer like I did was due to capitalism as that system puts profit above all else. You see when they were looking to understand how plants work they saw that it produce electricity from sun light and then all their minds could think of is, "If we figure out how a plant does this we can then put electricity on the grid system and get paid." This is the main reason why they never asked the question, "How does a plant break the bonds of the water molecules?" as their minds saw a money making opportunity which narrows their focus and thus they simply never even noticed that the plant broke the bonds of the water molecules outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Even I was shocked to find out that question I had asked was an original question that no one had ever asked before let alone answered. Once I answered that question I then move to solve how Meyer's technology actually worked as the transformer is merely mimicking the earth's global electric circuit.


Most scientist call this technology a perpetual motion device but that's all due to their greed in always looking for money making opportunities and thus failing to ask the right questions as a result of the primary goal of capitalism.


"All  Molecules  can  be  separated  into  their  component atoms  by  taking  away  the  electrons  from  the  atoms that  make  up  the  molecules."


This theory is far more important than even I thought now that I understand that it's helpful in understanding how life is made to be and what keeps life going. Basically with this water for fuel technology we are tapping into the very wheelwork of life where water is not destroyed as it is only barrowed and in doing so this technology is indeed in a state of over unity and puts out more energy than it consumes. All of this is something that now needs to be put in our books of science as the theory is very far reaching as any method one can think of in getting the electrons away from their atoms will cause the molecule they have formed to be broken down, as that is how acid base reaction work, correct? and those type of reactions are responsible for how most things that I know of live. So, I guess it's a theory that explains over unity/ perpetual motion in a way. As this car here in this video is able to run due to a chemical reaction where the electrons are taken from the atoms that make up the water molecules to make another molecule that doesn't require all the hydrogen found in water. [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-uSU0O078A[/size] As again any way you can get the electrons away from their atoms will work in breaking the bonds of the water molecules and this is being done with a reaction with Aluminum and water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd157yBmNaM&ab_channel=LabTVonline But as Dr. Dingle and Meyer showed us if you ionized the atoms that make up the water molecules the atoms will release their electrons and again you get the hydrogen you need to run your vehicle. Plus Meyer showed us a way to get more energy out of the hydrogen oxygen reaction by breaking down the oxygen molecules and then striping that electrons away from the lone oxygen atoms and feeding those oxygen atoms into the combustion chamber to be reacted with hydrogen.


Most people know plants break down the water molecules (but not exactly how it does it), but they also break down carbon dioxide, and nitrogen molecules by this very same method of taking the electrons away from the atoms that make up the molecules. Even in our stomachs we have hydrochloric acid to do the same thing to break the bonds of molecules so that our bodies can get at the needed items in the food we eat. Now you can see just how important this theory I came up with actually is as it explains a lot of things we didn't know was going on behind the scenes. This is the beauty of making use of the scientific method on things we don't understand as if you do gain an understanding of what is actually taking place it just might be something profound and new to the world of science.


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Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2022, 02:49:28 PM »
Excellent Thread and excellent explanation and conclusion on your first post, AC!!


Very clear and very precise to the point...

The Conservation of Energy Law is exactly that, a Law of Motion Perpetual itself.

Contradictions we had (and still have) at their max levels!!

However, I would like to clarify by establishing the "technical" difference between the terms...Overunity and Motion Perpetual.

Overunity is a Mathematical Term, a very simple one...it is part of a "scale" or a range from only three (3) general statistics points, where the center point is "Unity" or Mathematically 1/1, (one unit dividing one unit) of whatever parameters we consider, no restrictions here.

Therefore, the other two points are very simple to understand...Under Unity and Over Unity.
Where the divider of Unity (1) is always set at the lower side or the "divided by"...

When it comes to Input-Output Systems, the Divider (lower side) is always chosen as the "Input", as Output is always on the top side.

And so, when we make the simple Mathematical dividing operation, we obtain what is called the COP term or Coefficient Of Performance, and Efficiency given in percentage by multiplying it by 100%.

So, not to complicate this simple equation, let's use "Energy" as the simplest term which could include all other parameters involved...like Voltage, Amperage, Watts, Heat, Mechanical work, etc,etc.

Say we have a Motor, which takes (Input) 5 units of Energy and produces a mechanical Output of 4 units of Energy...

Simply we do our "Unity" math...4 divided by 5 = 0.8 X 100%= 80%

So, our Motor have an Efficiency of 80% or a COP of 0.8

And so, let's say our Motor increased its performance, by adding some strong Neo Magnets, instead of previous ceramic type...which ends up generating a total of 4.8 Units of Energy...and then:

4.8 divided by 5 = 0.96 X 100%= 96%

Then our Motor increased its COP to 0.96...or a Total Efficiency to 96%

The main point about all above explanation, is to establish the real term of OVERUNITY...and where it comes from...and what it applies to...

So, it is very absurd, non sensical, an "oxymoron", stupid and then some more... to say that "Overunity does not exist"...or "Overunity can never take place"...

Overunity is a Mathematical Status, it can be applied to absolutely any System in our Universe...which as you wrote, could expand to our Planet, Galaxies, Solar Systems, and many more as our imagination could travel...and imagine.

So, basically about Motion Perpetual, you have already done an excellent job on your post, so no need to add absolutely anything...


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2022, 03:19:35 PM »
Overunity is freely and asymmetrically regauging of potentials that then do the work for you. 
The VIC regauges an electrostatic scalar potential which is not allowed to be consumed (by magnetics) when doing the free work=F * s work.

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2022, 03:29:09 PM »


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1. Also called: perpetual motion of the first kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy. It is impossible in practice because of friction.

2. Also called: perpetual motion of the second kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that derives its energy from a source at a lower temperature. It is impossible in practice because of the second law of thermodynamics


1-What if We learn how to manipulate...an "Entity" which can move through dense mass metals without causing any friction, absolutely zero friction...?


2-What if that "Entity" when passing through all metals on its operation, does not generates any heat, absolutely zero heat?


Then what are we going to do with those ancient laws?


Rewrite them...?


Add "exemptions to"...?


That "Entity" is called the Magnetic Field...


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2022, 03:43:25 PM »


So far we have been enclosing, enveloping, cloistering that "Super Entity" inside steel and copper...forcing it to spin at "our" very low speeds to generate Energy...and in  some cases we have force that very Dynamic Entity to "stay static"...not to move, while we move steel and copper around it...

By forcing it to "stay still" or to be carried on steel and copper cages like if it was Handicapped...?

When that Entity can travel itself faster than Light?

When that Entity can go through all dense materials like steel and copper in a matter of nanoseconds without causing any heat?

How absurd that process have been so far?

But, finally that Entity would be released...and very free to travel, move, spin at very high speeds...


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2022, 06:36:13 PM »
Ufopolitics
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Overunity is a Mathematical Term, a very simple one...it is part of a "scale" or a range from only three (3) general statistics points, where the center point is "Unity" or Mathematically 1/1, (one unit dividing one unit) of whatever parameters we consider, no restrictions here.

Therefore, the other two points are very simple to understand...Under Unity and Over Unity.
Where the divider of Unity (1) is always set at the lower side or the "divided by"...

The term Unity and overunity also goes much deeper into ancient cultures and technology.

In fact Nikola Tesla and many other inventors were obsessed with the number 3 relating to the "Trinity of Unity" dating back to Sumerian cultures. The trinity of unity relates to the three conditions surrounding the concept of unity, to be born from zero and to die in zero.
That is  +1<<<0>>>-1
and      +1>>>0<<<-1
Or in philosophy any two opposite conditions (male/female, pressure/suction, positive/negative, North/South) generated from something which appears to have neither condition or zero. The zero condition is always found in the center between the two opposite conditions. Like a magnet N<<<0>>>S, or a capacitor/dielectric (+)<<<0>>>(-).

Today we generally call it generation/dissipation of a condition. For example, Protons(+) and electrons(-) close together negate/cancel there external field to become zero, +1>>>0<<<-1. However if we separate the same charges we can produce two distinct positive/negative conditions, +1<<<0>>>-1. Energy is generated from the source +1<<<0>>>-1, then moves towards the the point of dissipation +1>>>0<<<-1. Energy is born from zero and then dies in zero, which is Unity.

In essence this relates to what your talking about with efficiency and COP...
We generate an energy source by separating the zero state into two different conditions having a difference in potential, +1<<<0>>>-1.
We dissipate an energy source by reuniting two different conditions having a difference in potential to become zero, +1>>>0<<<-1.

If we dissipate more energy than we generate it is COP<1 or less than 100%, under unity.
If we generate more energy that we dissipate it is COP>1 or more than 100%, over unity.
If generation equals dissipation COP=1 or 100% efficiency, unity.

So you are correct that Unity (under<<<0>>>over) is a mathematical construct but it was developed by cultures tens of thousands of years ago. It can become a bit of a rabbit hole but the philosophy of the number three and the trinity of unity starts in ancient Sumeria then spreads to ancient Greece, Egypt(Hermes Trismegistus) and India(Vedic, Sanskrit text).

It's actually kind of funny that almost nobody could figure out why Tesla and countless other scientists and inventors were obsessed with the number three. They were all studying the science and technology of these ancient cultures. Throughout the history of mankind these themes keep popping up... the number 3, Unity, the Trinity of Unity.

Now we know the rest of the story and it's really fascinating stuff...

Regards
AC




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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2022, 07:05:10 PM »
How is this electric motor arranged?
Used in VCRs.
So far no one has been able to answer. ;)

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2022, 07:49:27 PM »
How is this electric motor arranged?
Used in VCRs.
So far no one has been able to answer. ;)


That is a typical brush motor...and have a servo-speed sensor built inside (a Black-White marked Disk with a photo cell reader)
It was the old ways that they kept speed regulated...


But this is off topic friend.

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2022, 08:11:09 PM »

That "Entity" is called the Magnetic Field...
The magnetic field does not pass through ferromagnets.Isn't it ?

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2022, 08:18:46 PM »
Ufopolitics
The term Unity and overunity also goes much deeper into ancient cultures and technology.

In fact Nikola Tesla and many other inventors were obsessed with the number 3 relating to the "Trinity of Unity" dating back to Sumerian cultures. The trinity of unity relates to the three conditions surrounding the concept of unity, to be born from zero and to die in zero.
That is  +1<<<0>>>-1
and      +1>>>0<<<-1
Or in philosophy any two opposite conditions (male/female, pressure/suction, positive/negative, North/South) generated from something which appears to have neither condition or zero. The zero condition is always found in the center between the two opposite conditions. Like a magnet N<<<0>>>S, or a capacitor/dielectric (+)<<<0>>>(-).

Today we generally call it generation/dissipation of a condition. For example, Protons(+) and electrons(-) close together negate/cancel there external field to become zero, +1>>>0<<<-1. However if we separate the same charges we can produce two distinct positive/negative conditions, +1<<<0>>>-1. Energy is generated from the source +1<<<0>>>-1, then moves towards the the point of dissipation +1>>>0<<<-1. Energy is born from zero and then dies in zero, which is Unity.

In essence this relates to what your talking about with efficiency and COP...
We generate an energy source by separating the zero state into two different conditions having a difference in potential, +1<<<0>>>-1.
We dissipate an energy source by reuniting two different conditions having a difference in potential to become zero, +1>>>0<<<-1.

If we dissipate more energy than we generate it is COP<1 or less than 100%, under unity.
If we generate more energy that we dissipate it is COP>1 or more than 100%, over unity.
If generation equals dissipation COP=1 or 100% efficiency, unity.

So you are correct that Unity (under<<<0>>>over) is a mathematical construct but it was developed by cultures tens of thousands of years ago. It can become a bit of a rabbit hole but the philosophy of the number three and the trinity of unity starts in ancient Sumeria then spreads to ancient Greece, Egypt(Hermes Trismegistus) and India(Vedic, Sanskrit text).

It's actually kind of funny that almost nobody could figure out why Tesla and countless other scientists and inventors were obsessed with the number three. They were all studying the science and technology of these ancient cultures. Throughout the history of mankind these themes keep popping up... the number 3, Unity, the Trinity of Unity.

Now we know the rest of the story and it's really fascinating stuff...

Regards
AC


Yes, very interesting...and I know...however, "0"...that is the center of it all...and in order just to vary the other two parameters in between we have hundred of years that has been done wrong...and still we do not learn at least how to find the equilibrium...or "unity"...

There is still a lot to learn AC,...to even reach said equilibrium.


...to even talk about reaching overunity...unfortunately

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2022, 01:53:42 PM »
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Conclusion:
Overunity is a nonsense
- masturbating  one's brain by changing priority and flip

Free Energy exists and there is nothing special about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ldus3AQSpE&t=771s
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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2022, 05:57:02 PM »
stivep
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Conclusion:
Overunity is a nonsense
- masturbating  one's brain by changing priority and flip
Free Energy exists and there is nothing special about it.

I used to think overunity was nonsense but I changed my mind. In fact one sign of intelligence is being able to learn new things and adapt to survive or make progress. Not being able to change our mind and trying to hold to popular beliefs is not the way forward in my opinion.

Unity is COP=1, the input or cause is always equal and opposite to the output or effect. COP1 is the natural order of things for obvious reasons otherwise any natural system could grow or gain energy exponentially and chaos would ensue. Ergo, the concept in question must be un-natural or seldom found in nature or hidden from us... it must be a special case.

Which may be the reason only a very small number of people on this planet have been able to understand the FE process well enough to design and build something that actually works.

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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 08:05:28 PM »
Great topic


First i must point out about the cosmos:


Cosmological systems are not in a state of perpetual motion.
They are more akin to a radioactive isotope, in that they are
in a state of orbital decay. (either positive or negative but never stable)


Whereas a stable isotope CAN be considered to be an a perpetual state of
motile equilibrium.


That is to say that the forces and counter forces perfectly balance each other,
such that the system remains in constant motion.


Why the distinction? Because in the 2 prior cases, we can calculate when the system will stop.
The space between the nucleus of a stable isotope and its’ electrons can effectively be considered “void”. And for all intensive purposes, perpetual.


However, in space and between the nucleus and electrons of a decaying atom:
there is matter and energy in a state of flux. Which causes friction and other forces at play.
and in almost every observable case, the system itself in changing over time.
Eventually even our earth would fall into the sun, were the Sun not destined to destroy itself before this time.




There are 2 major problems with perpetual motion:
First and foremost - it is the job of science to define the source of energy, and once known,
the system is classified as a known system. Thus redefined as NOT perpetual.
After all, the stable atom itself might be tapping into an unknown zero-point energy, to maintain its’ existence. Explorations are still needed in this field.


The second problem is this:


Once we have this perpetual system, adding or taking energy can disrupt its’ balance of forces.
It the simplest form, lowering the energy state of a Hydrogen atom in its’ (S1) ground state causes the electron orbit to collapse. The electron undergoes infinite acceleration and is ejected leaving the hydrogen as a (low-energy) positive ion. Electron capture from a nearby source restores the atom to its’ stable state by raising the energy level.
Conversely: raising the energy of the same atom enough to eject the electron by force creates a
(high energy) positive ion, this energy releases via lasing and radiation emission during electron capture from a nearby source.


How does this occur?


1) in the low-energy case: the electron is accelerating slowly, encountering a resistive force.
this exchange adds energy to the nucleus until it reaches the point of stability. (S1)
2) in the high-energy case: the electron is accelerating very quickly, the force it encounters aids acceleration, this exchange takes energy from the nucleus until it reaches the last point of stability.
(in all but Quantum rarity of a double capture, this is the 7s orbit. double capture results in a quasi-stable 8s heavy hydrogen w 2 electrons, and almost identical mass to Deuterium), then a subsequent lasing event as it transitions back down to the ground state.


Why is this knowledge important to our topic?
I will try to explain.


If we are to model our system after the known perpetual system of a stable nucleus, we must understand these mechanisms.
For instance, if we are to use our perpetual system to generate electricity or actuate a mechanism.
The system requires a mechanism to restore the state of perpetuity after the exchange event.


If the exchange adds energy to our perpetual system, the internal mechanism must dissipate it until the point of motile equilibrium.
Conversely, if the exchange subtracts energy from our perpetual system, the internal mechanism must draw energy in until the point of motile equilibrium.


(drinking bird?)


If we can call the drinking bird a ‘solar powered’ device, or a balance between heat from the sun and the water molecule’s affinity for heat…
then we can call the atom an ‘electron powered device’.
Then we define an electron as a discrete energy source.


The mechanism is still the same.


I hereby define this type of system as a perpetual motion device of the First Kind.
A system in a state of motile equilibrium with a mechanism to bring a single source of energy in and out to self-restore motile equilibrium.


A perpetual motion device of the Second Kind is hereby defined as a device in a state of motile equilibrium, having mechanisms to bring multiple sources of energy in and out to restore motile equilibrium.


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Re: What is overunity?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2022, 08:31:10 PM »
Perpetual Motion is NOT, however, the same as “Overunity”.


Overunity implies that the system is NOT in a state of motile equilibrium,
but rather constantly providing energy to outside systems.


In one perspective, this could be defined as a system in an (countably infinite) higher energy state than its’ surroundings.
From our perspective, geothermal energy qualifies as such a system.
As does a system drawing from magnetic interactions alone.
Or the sun itself. (although we technically can count its’ fuel)


Other types of systems that meet this qualification may include:
Gravity/Buoyancy systems
Molecular Phase-Change systems
Spacetime pressure inversion systems (>2Mev(-)/cm^3)
super conductivity/super inductivity/super restivity/super reluctivity
electrostatic/electric charge propulsion
certain hydraulic/hydrodynamic configurations
Dynamic-momentum systems
certain electrochemical systems
life