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Offline Eighthman

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A Serious Question About Our Cause
« on: April 26, 2022, 01:36:51 AM »
I appreciate this site and others - as to what may be the greatest, 'holiest' cause we could pursue - free energy to free humanity.


Unfortunately, not everyone in authority agrees. Even some committed environmentalists object to the idea of energy without limit or cost.


So, are we being watched?  Worse, are we being discreetly 'steered' by helpful anonymous people away from success?  And even worse than that, are benevolent sites being used by the 'powers that be' to act as 'lightning rods' to  attract and identify people who might wreck the economic order?


I HAVE witnessed strange coincidences that make me wonder.  And how does our quest continue if my paranoia is correct?

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2022, 04:41:14 AM »

1.                            Free energy will not / cannot free humanity.
                                       All it can do is offer some choices.

2.                      We are pretty much, done fore with out free energy.
                            With free energy, there are still other choices which
                 we might make, whrein it would remain that we are done fore.

3.               And ?

4.               We are the ones we have been waiting for... or not.


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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2022, 07:48:30 AM »
We are the Ones We’ve Been Waiting For

You have been telling people that this is the Eleventh Hour, now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour. And there are things to be considered…

Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation?
Where is your water?

Know your garden.
It is time to speak your truth.
Create your community.
Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for your leader.

Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said, “This could be a good time! There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.

And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, least of all ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey come to a halt.

The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word ’struggle’ from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.

--Hopi Elders' Prophecy, June 8, 2000

    good words

Offline onepower

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2022, 11:15:04 PM »
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Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said, “This could be a good time! There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.

In scientific terms is called the "exponential growth of knowledge", it's worth our time to look at it.

It's claimed that as more people learn more things and share it our knowledge grows faster. For example, we don't collectively know twice as much as ten years ago but tens of thousands of times more. We currently learn more in one day than man did in a in a decade not long ago and the rate is increasing.

This is why technology is moving so fast because we keep learning more and more in a shorter period of time. Very soon we will hit what's called a paradigm shift and most of what we used to believe will be outdated. What this actually means or where were going I have yet to understand.

Regards
AC

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2022, 03:34:06 PM »

In scientific terms is called the "exponential growth of knowledge", it's worth our time to look at it.

It's claimed that as more people learn more things and share it our knowledge grows faster. For example, we don't collectively know twice as much as ten years ago but tens of thousands of times more. We currently learn more in one day than man did in a in a decade not long ago and the rate is increasing.

This is why technology is moving so fast because we keep learning more and more in a shorter period of time.


Yes, 100% true!!




Very soon we will hit what's called a paradigm shift and most of what we used to believe will be outdated. What this actually means or where were going I have yet to understand.

Regards
AC


Amen to the above!!


Yes, very soon...sooner that we all may think...


Regards All Canadian!!




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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2022, 03:39:21 PM »
I appreciate this site and others - as to what may be the greatest, 'holiest' cause we could pursue - free energy to free humanity.


Unfortunately, not everyone in authority agrees. Even some committed environmentalists object to the idea of energy without limit or cost.


So, are we being watched?  Worse, are we being discreetly 'steered' by helpful anonymous people away from success?  And even worse than that, are benevolent sites being used by the 'powers that be' to act as 'lightning rods' to  attract and identify people who might wreck the economic order?


I HAVE witnessed strange coincidences that make me wonder.  And how does our quest continue if my paranoia is correct?


Hello,


True, in part...



But, whenever the "TRUTH" emerges, in the hands of a non ego filled person, of a non greedy man...it will be simply unstoppable...
It would be reproduced everywhere in our Planet...and verified by many, even by the ones we call "skeptics"...


And...this is the end of an old era...the shift of a new beginning.


The Truth would be revealed sooner that anyone ever thought...




Regards






Ufopolitics

Offline h20power

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2022, 08:49:01 PM »
I find that most in forums like these don't understand the rules of the markets. It's one thing to have an idea and share it with others and quite another thing to move to start building something that actually works as intended. The assumption of a lot of people in sites like these is, "if I can do it then so can you." This is very far from the truth as most in our world are simply just trying to exist and survive day to day and don't have the know how or means to be able to build a device that would allow them to take full control of their own energy needs.


Most people are just followers that have no idea what it takes to lead let alone implement a lot of these technologies. They have no idea of the cost, the complexity, or build quality needed to get one of these devices up and running properly. Then on top of all that add in the device needs to be safe for use as blowing up your home or entire neighborhood isn't a good thing to do. A lot of people don't know much of anything about the manufacturing process when it comes to building prototypes or trying to set up an assembly line for mass production.


I have personally ask many in forums like this to make use of the scientific method to only have someone on that forum tell me to take my scientific method and shove it as if I was the one whom invented that method. Now they don't want to follow this method as it requires one to actually get to work spending a lot of money as you move to build, test, and observe the technology as they go about making use of the scientific method. They want someone else to do all of the work and also pay for them to get one when they are done complete with shipping it to a place of their choosing, plus installing the technology for them so they can make use of it.


Then to add on top of all this we have companies that don't want the technology to come out who are extremely powerful and have been very successful in the past at putting a lot of these technology's down. The one I work with has been put down since 1968 which is longer that a lot of you have been living. These companies have put out well placed propaganda in our educational system that tells everyone that these technologies break the laws of physics and without thinking people just suck up this propaganda. This mode of thinking would have one to believe that we already know all their is to know about everything and I say to that, "Then why do we still need to build research facilities?" I mean if we know everything there is to know already then why waste the money on trying to further ourselves with scientific study.


In my study in learning just how this new method of breaking the bonds of the water molecules actually worked I was able to come up with a whole new theory that will one day be added to the books of science. This is the power of the scientific method as all that process really is is a slow process of elimination into figuring out things we don't know and allows us to learn what makes them tick. It can take years to get at the science and in some cases an entire lifetime or more as someone else might have to come along and finish what you started.


Getting these types of technologies out to the masses requires planning and above all the public's support as governments aren't going to back any of these technologies as they are brought and paid for by those that sell and profit off of energy for a living. I for one know it's not going to be an easy task to phase out the use of fossil fuels especially with all the propaganda floating around that tells people that what you are presenting to save humanity violates the laws of physics. In my one and only thread on this site: https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/750/ I showed just how voltage is doing work with this water for fuel technology, and I also showed why the water doesn't heat up as it does with electrolysis which is consistent with eye witness reports of Meyer's technology up and running when they examined it first hand. Something I should have mentioned but didn't is to consider the red in the graph exothermic and the blue to be endothermic as that better tells the story of why the water bath doesn't heat up. With electrolysis current does the job of breaking the bonds of the water molecules but it is energy intensive and not very efficient but what folks don't know it there is another way to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules and that way is to get the voltage to do the work of ionizing the atoms that make up the water molecules. With the water molecules if the electrons are taken out the molecules simply fall apart as it was the job of those electrons to hold the water molecules together. As the atoms undergo ionization they start ejecting their electrons and it is that act that breaks the bonds of the water molecules. So, now all of you reading this know just how the water for fuel technology goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules scientifically.


Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me
« Last Edit: April 29, 2022, 05:18:30 AM by h20power »

Offline Wicaksono

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2022, 04:51:12 PM »
I appreciate this site and others - as to what may be the greatest, 'holiest' cause we could pursue - free energy to free humanity.


Unfortunately, not everyone in authority agrees. Even some committed environmentalists object to the idea of energy without limit or cost.


So, are we being watched?  Worse, are we being discreetly 'steered' by helpful anonymous people away from success?  And even worse than that, are benevolent sites being used by the 'powers that be' to act as 'lightning rods' to  attract and identify people who might wreck the economic order?


I HAVE witnessed strange coincidences that make me wonder.  And how does our quest continue if my paranoia is correct?


Basically this is true, because if you made the energy free it also means that you destroy the established energy business. And because the structure of economy is a pyramid scheme, then by destroying one of the money machine you will also destroy the economy.

Offline onepower

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2022, 06:55:42 PM »
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Basically this is true, because if you made the energy free it also means that you destroy the established energy business. And because the structure of economy is a pyramid scheme, then by destroying one of the money machine you will also destroy the economy.

I used to think this way but I changed my mind...

It's all backwards, did the discovery of fossil fuels collapse the economy?. No, it improved peoples lives starting an industrial revolution. Of course it had a detrimental effect on some existing businesses but it vastly improved the lives of billions of people. Free energy will do the same thing and start another revolution in energy technology.

It's also important to understand that people are the economy not businesses. People run businesses that help themselves and other people. So a business is simply a means to an end which was supposed to breed completion and progress not stifle it.

What many are not talking about is the fact that most investors including those in fossil fuels are already moving to clean energy. Most big corporations in the fossil fuel industry are abandoning ship as we speak. Even they don't believe the bullshit the fossil fuel industry is trying to peddle anymore.

I expect to see a mass exodus of jobs and investment away from fossil fuels in the near future regardless of free energy. It's not even required because clean renewable energy is already moving forward. Free energy technology is just a bonus...

Regards
AC



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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2022, 08:01:14 PM »

It's all backwards, did the discovery of fossil fuels collapse the economy?. No, it improved peoples lives starting an industrial revolution. Of course it had a detrimental effect on some existing businesses but it vastly improved the lives of billions of people. Free energy will do the same thing and start another revolution in energy technology.



I am focusing in this particular part first, actually the transition from firewood to fossil fuels (coal, then oil, then natural gas) is a part of expansion of pyramid economy. To stay alive, a pyramid needs to stay expanding. In this case the discovery of fossil fuels actually give the pyramid more energy sources to stay expanding. If there is no discovery of new energy source then the pyramid will collapse since long time ago. And don't forget that industrial revolution is also has a dark side. Do you remember that industrial revolution started in Great Britain ? It makes Britain has to find more natural resources to feed their factories, and in the end transform Britain to British Empire. The darkside of industrial revolution is imperialism and colonialism. If we apply this to free energy, it is possible that the application of free energy will create something new forms of imperialism and colonialism.


Wicaksono

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2022, 05:01:02 AM »
150 Mio.sqkm landarea on Planet Earth
+- 300 Mio. human inhabitants 1500 p C. ( the extensive living IDEAL )
 8 000 Mio.  h.          i.                   2025 p. C.
10 000 Mio. h.          i.                   2050  p.C.
pnas.org  researchgate : vertical farming  in-house/indoor farming   rexresearch : electric-/magnetic agro-culture

From 2000 sqm "Weltacker" per capita

https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/2000m%C2%B2?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

to totally " 100 sqm ground-area per world capita" reduceable !
                                                             Less 95% !
10 sqm wheat   10 sqm linoil   65 sqm vegetable(incl potatos),fruits 15 sqm houseground "living cube"

The plants green-house :
likelyin costs and function
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769
Option :
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Aerophonic-System_fig1_342260487

The 15 sqm house per capita  : morphed BAUHAUS-group social PARAMETERS from 1929,CIAM-CHARTA

2050 the industrial society 4d-print structure 50% in average pricely deeper than 2021/2022 !

The FE in electricity kind in the 2 Int.$ range ,TDC (included EMDC) systems with average C.O.P. 30 NORM !

Who wants 2050 to eat meat or fish : 4d-print  cellular ' meat or fish'-mass ! Without skelett/bones .
4d print (green-)houses: fast 200 sqm/24 h construction by ≤ 100 Int.$/sqm costs !

Near Zero waste and losts social and society architecture ! Steady observed and approved .

"Garden Village"-social atmosphere not only for the Upper : for all ! Probably with 'soft Gewalt'-use need  !


Institutional R&D is for SciRe implementation !


" 100 sqm instead 2000 sqm" per capita : less speculation,less pressure !
Faster Youths from Olds independence and social  estate divorce,if needed  !


FE R&D is " fast come & go and/or binding/divorce  potential" velopment.




Sincerely
OCWL

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2022, 02:40:16 PM »
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If we apply this to free energy, it is possible that the application of free energy will create something new forms of imperialism and colonialism.
Wicaksono

Correction..

Free energy can't create new forms of imperialism and colonialism.

If that happens it will be people that do it not free energy.

Free energy is already here, the imperialists already have it. You don't.

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: A Serious Question About Our Cause
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2022, 09:27:07 PM »
I appreciate this site and others - as to what may be the greatest, 'holiest' cause we could pursue - free energy to free humanity.


Unfortunately, not everyone in authority agrees. Even some committed environmentalists object to the idea of energy without limit or cost.


So, are we being watched?  Worse, are we being discreetly 'steered' by helpful anonymous people away from success?  And even worse than that, are benevolent sites being used by the 'powers that be' to act as 'lightning rods' to  attract and identify people who might wreck the economic order?


I HAVE witnessed strange coincidences that make me wonder.  And how does our quest continue if my paranoia is correct?




You have every right to be paranoid.
Many of is choose to remain mostly anonymous,
for many reasons.
Are we ‘being watched’?
I think its safe to say the public as a whole has seamless access
to our threads via their web searches.
The military surfs the web often and has found things here and there
There are world leaders and politicians among us.


However, i do not believe this forum is being guided or steered in any way.
Anyone is free to give their opinion either in support or rebuttal of a proposed idea.
In this manner there are checks and balances on both ends of the spectrum.


My philosophy is this: don’t have secrets they have nothing to target you for.
The information spreads faster than they can stop it.