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Author Topic: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?  (Read 2269 times)

Offline Tarsier_79

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2022, 01:34:39 AM »

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“The fat kid on the teeter totter is always on the ground”

Ha ha. I will have to use that.

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2022, 03:43:24 AM »
what is a value of wasted time vs pursuit of some larger life goal?
Why are you here?
What do you expect?
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For math, game, popular entertainment there are other places to go to.
For showing yourself smart, in math,  it is to small and to diversified  audience.
Real beauty of electromagnetic wave,- is not your domain, nor you would  dedicate to it your next 2 years of life
People wants to gain something:
- some knowledge, ideas. Practicality is appreciated too.
- the field of energy and mechanisms related.
-something is interesting, and so what?
 :)
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 Wesley
(links in descriptions) THese are my videos ... 'EM isn't me...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAJYLTFiUeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsorE1JD7HM


I haven't gotten there YET - I only just discovered that there is an alternate math; if it's not right, then the result is - for a random simulator emulating photons passing through polarizers, I just have to apply `cos( ratio)`  and there's some magical force that means for a count of things the curve is modified.  From analysis of weights at a quantized level, which is the same math for just comparting correlation of 2 obersevers with different measuring devices viewing the same event.    I realized just how simple this would be to disprove one or the other with a simple, fairly deterministic experiment... I'm building up to mine, I made a few models, but I had my phase off ... and was expecting only 3.5 degrees vs 10 degrees which would have been like 250% error and surely easy to see... the real discprepancy is only 2.47 degrees at the worst case.


I'm fine with just modifying my result for comparing the ratio of events that happen or don't happen after applying cos() to it - that matches QM exactly and nothings broken, and we go back to Aldo Costa's wheel relies on external forces.

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2022, 04:06:18 AM »
Dexor

I like math, I have done these calcs before and have been studying gravity wheels for over 20 years.

If you had done the calculations correctly, you would get 0, or very close to 0 torque for your red wheel. If there was torque, they wouldn't need a drill to drive it.

Dynamically, it will act differently to a static model. The faster you spin it, the less positive torques will exist: ie. the levers will take relatively longer to flip out or in, creating drag on the system.

The "Balancewheel" is balanced when still, and an inertial brake when moving.

ADD: The overbalance wheel in France, (Aldo Costa's) wheel works due to change in air pressure, hence the little sealed bottles.
I get it - I walked away from the idea after investigating the John Device, and working out 'oh it's the cos(angle of tilt (whichis powre in)) raises the weight by well the arc... and imparts a spin of ... that weight falling down the slope, and the output of the weight is the same as the input.


That's presuming that cos(ratio) is the proper output.  Having seen the slopes of the derivitives I'm not so sure. 


Part of the problem is the 4D spacetime.... there's really 7, 3 for velocity, 3 for spin, 1 for time. Yes you might consider the spin a linear transformation with sin and cos which certainly work in this case to move all points around an axis the same amount; but the specific angle to move them might be calculated differently.


(This is still a work in progress)
Collisions for 3D (and maybe I should start with 2D, but really should be basically the same) could be modeled instead of taking a cross product of the velocity with the differences in positions to find a spin axis and cos(angle) to transform them to, could be taken as the mass*velocity (weight) applied to a balance beam with a fulcrum of the center of mass, the point of collision a direct projection forward, the plane of the fulrums it will apply spin to is perpendicular to the velocity vector, and doesn't need any additional information to find where the axis is... then the ratio of the masses and offset from the fulcum ends up being the ratio of 0-90 spin for that object.   


One is finding a lot of information from the future (assuming you knew the angle, the cos( angle) is in the cross product) this isntead already knows the angle, and knows where the pivots are.


If I go back and revisit the math, instead applying what I know is the error in the curve, then things like Aldo's wheel makes a lot of sense.  And still VEProject is clear they cannot work - there's no tipping the scales, it's just all letting the scale settle into a balance.

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2022, 04:12:56 AM »
@dex
the angle of deflection (+ or -) is the angle of restricted motion of the lever or it’s maximum.
in the most extreme case it is 90-degrees.
-1 to +1 and 0 is in the middle.   this is sort of like 'i' is 90 degrees, 1 is 90 degrees, 2 is 180 3 the same as -1, ... if you numbered the sine wave with quaters of 0 1 2 3   you'd get 0 1 0 -1 0...


It's actually quarter turns that apply here - while the numbers from -1 to 1 are the fraction from -90 to 90  (can simply be modified)

I apologize, I may slip between the two systems - and even radians because you can just throw a pi/2 in there.


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At less than the force to overcome the levers friction this may be offset to some degree:
This is defined by the mechanics of the lever and the proportionality between the masses.
Otherwise: Anything either side of 1:1 the angle of deflection is maximum for the lever system.


“The fat kid on the teeter totter is always on the ground”




https://overunity.com/19139/local-hidden-variables-for-the-win-not-101st-bad-idea/msg567774/#msg567774  but I already posted a picture that's easy to see - if you have a fulcrum that's a pivot point that can't fall off the support, a 2:1 ratio is 45 degrees.  3:4 is 22.5 degrees... whatever to whatever is some degrees, and is not a critical failure.

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2022, 03:55:33 PM »
(links in descriptions) THese are my videos ... 'EM isn't me...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAJYLTFiUeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsorE1JD7HM

I haven't gotten there YET
your videos as seven and six years old.
That doesn't indicate an interest in physics of energy transfer and conversion.
Physics rules and model is just the tool used by it.
please take it, as a  friendly advice, I wish you the best.

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Supposedly you were looking for energy conversion resulting in effect electrical energy for free called also Free Energy.
here you have it.
It's so easy.
Explanation:
there are two mechanisms present here:
#1. Energy transfer from point A to point B using earth/air two dimensional interface.
#2. Energy extraction from Schumann waveguide that uses mechanism of #1 as a base.

Assuming that you have wire for free and labor is your own that would be close to zero cost of making it.
but you are interested with math I assumed at least for the last seven years.

Dr. James Corum.
I assume he knew about energy extraction from Schumann waveguide,
but this was not good for his business.
In his business energy transfer from point A to point B was the goal.
so I instead of making patents I decided to give it for free, but free is often not appreciated.
That is the unfortunate truth about human mammal.


Below I am giving you the  patents of Dr. James Corum.
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/james-f-corum

but you have no freaking idea, what you reading, what is it about, what to do with.
With all due respect you will be  like a man from the jungle, trying to read Shakespeare .Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)

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You want to test yourself?
So it takes approximately two years of school,
or two months of study for an amateur  with basic knowledge about electromagnetism.
But it takes two weeks , for talented intelligent  usually young men to be able to read and understand
these patents.

so my friend you instead of, hanky-panky, cruising around of nothing, possibly B'S-ing yourself,
can find how good you are, and we can check it out two weeks from now.

I would love to be wrong
but you're possibly going to be looking at those patents like a cow on plasma TV
.

I'm on your side I wish you the best
Wesley



ps: you like math , so look at math there in patents and pictures
and after that  go here and this mechanism is a key to A to B energy transfer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=156s

It doesn't talk about ELF ( extra low frequency used by us to get energy from Schumann Waveguide, but
it explained the entire mechanism of Zenneck wave that has many names. And is not important if we call it  plasmon or polariton
Name Zenneck Wave is reserved to ELF.
the mechanism  is simpler for ELF too. 
     

After that  you are ready to read with easiness my two other topics.

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2022, 04:32:20 PM »
your videos as seven and six years old.
That doesn't indicate an interest in physics of energy transfer and conversion.
Physics rules and model is just the tool used by it.
please take it, as a  friendly advice, I wish you the best.


Or you can take it that noone cared to try anything or confirm anything... so between public disinterest and really with no MO identified there wasn't a clear path forward.  Lots of things were very good at energy transfer- but at that time I also didn't have an external power supply I could even attempt to loop the system regardless of what the math said it should do.

But sure; I'm a dunce, they kept in in gifted and talented in elementary so I wouldn't drag the class down; they gave me independent research to study topics I found interesting and give a report because I was too dumb for what they were otherwise teaching.  I got advanced 2 years in math in 6th grade so I finished HS with Calc II amongst other Advanced placement classes.

 I can barely understand what letters are to write sentences.  WTH man.

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2022, 04:46:30 PM »
I believe that you are talented and have great potential.
Two of scientists I have employed were having a lot  of problem to understand Zenneck wave and its phenomena
too.
But it was long time ago.
It is nothing wrong with not knowing.

Wesley

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2022, 05:15:09 PM »
Ya but all these attacks on person and personality aren't attacking the math - or pointing to any specific thing that makes either more right than the other.


'You don't know me'  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCseUkehHag first 10 seconds... and further if you care it's overall short.)


This feels a lot more like having a discussion with someone with some religious faith.

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2022, 09:28:13 PM »
person and personality aren't attacking the math - or pointing to any specific thing that makes either more right than the other.
I have a very friendly approach to you.
Without responding to the questions or suggestions or concerns,
it is hard to become a respected party  in scientific, experimental,mutual conversation.-


-please take two weeks, read patents of Dr. James Corum,
 analyze  their  mathematical  equations,
 and prove how smart and talented you are.


I will be delighted to see your mathematically dominated dancing with physics
you ......of course you know how to dance I assume.

but till then:
 -can you tell me in what approximate percentage your understand these patents?
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/james-f-corum


This feels a lot more like having a discussion with someone with some religious faith.
I do respect every faith religion, values, and every race and sexual orientation.
Religion is not my domain.
Fate or faith is not an element of procedure related to a measurement of physical property nor is explaining Zenneck Wave
 :)
Wesley
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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2022, 10:05:55 PM »
noone cared to try anything or confirm anything...
are you a member of the group of  no-one ?
Wesley

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2022, 09:30:41 AM »
are you a member of the group of  no-one ?
Wesley
:) hmm.  If I was, I would care?  But I'm not technically?


I was reviewing https://redlightrobber.com/red/links_pdf/Isaac-Newton-Principia-English-1846.pdf 


Let me prefix with ; as a developer, when I run across a software library that doesn't behave right for the circumstances I need it for, I often just jump in and fix the library (especially those that have source, which are the sorts I tend to use anyway).  To me, Math, Physics, and things in this class of things are libraries of functions to apply and get results.   


I sort of figured maybe the 'bug' was from Newton, but there's actually nothing there specifically about a rate of turning for a ratio of weights; there is of course multiplying length to create a balance of force (lever arm length), similarly for ropes.   There is a lot about planets, which I think are mostly unbalanced scales with 0:1 sort of ratio that the scalar is 1 always; that's also the case in harmonic pendulums, the weight is all on one side of the beam from the fulcrum, and is another special case where the rotation multiplier is always 1.


So I'm not breaking physics  (at least up to and through Newtonian physics). *phew*... and it's really just an additional function that I can mostly patch on the outside.  But; I think maybe for orbital mechanics of 3 bodies, the ratios of the masses should determine which direction elements in the system go, depending on which side is 'heavier' has more attraction.


- I'll get back to you on those patents... isn't that sort of the same as just having a spool of wire on a flatbed truck parked under a power line?

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2022, 01:34:14 PM »
https://archive.org/details/cu31924012325100/page/n313/mode/1up
This image represents the magnetic vector potential and shows the hidden variable that connects current and the magnetic field, and this explains the right-hand rule, apply it and see what causes  the B-field/potential. This also shows curl A = B: right hand/corkscrew rule on the vortex, thumb points in the direction of B.

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Re: Local Hidden Variables - For the Win? Not 101st bad idea?
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2022, 11:08:12 AM »
https://archive.org/details/cu31924012325100/page/n313/mode/1up
This image represents the magnetic vector potential and shows the hidden variable that connects current and the magnetic field, and this explains the right-hand rule, apply it and see what causes  the B-field/potential. This also shows curl A = B: right hand/corkscrew rule on the vortex, thumb points in the direction of B.
Yes; this is apparently cyclic and a lot more like a harmonic oscillator.  (maybe?)


I found these natural curves in rotation space that resemble a graph of a magnetic dipole field. (attached image)
displacement test  which has a link at top to more info, which has links to other demos including What are those curves?  like what orientations do they represent?  They can be translated so any vector is the primary direction for the poles... but the controls sort of limit it to pivoting around the Y axis.  (can use various sliders to control the extents of the curves graphed; by default it graphs all angles available on that plane.

At one pole, all of the frames are aligned like forward is forward and right is right; while on the other pole the frames end up in a 2x cycle rotation like you get moving one magnet around another magnet, that it rotates 2x what you move it's position as... so it flips 360 degrees by the time it's gone just to the south pole; and 180 at 90.   

I'm finding that 'curl' as modeled by imaginary numbers may not be the best framework.  The linear motion of liquids against other cells causes unbalance and spin, but then the convergence and divergence isn't really associated with that spin, and the straight lines that matter takes as a velocity are difficult to model as polar equations from any point to any other point.   

But really; what I don't get for a connection to magnetic/static (EM/ES?) electronics sort of iis that?  Inductors/induction is a lot like a flywheel - adding energy to keep it spinning, and as long as there's a driving force it stays up; but as the force that drives it lessens, it imparts part of the stored force into the work (like a flywheel that's not being charged anymore, driving a bus or something).  That doesn't really seem to have any attribute like balance... and even just +/- charge there's really only charge and not-charge, which makes it more like a pendulum/newtonian system... 

But in resonance there are sort of balance points - where the voltage is at a maximum, and all of the force is electrostatic, just before the magnetic field is depleted and starts building in a inverted polarity and the capacitors discharge ( sort of how Kapnadaze generators are supposed to work in that range of peek voltage on a resonant coil)...  but that's just observation, and not something I can really say is true; Wesley saw a generator working - got to stand next to it and all... so much like that clip of the guy that flew to france to see Aldo Costa's thing, he was a witness; but much like the AC witness, attributes it to external forces, a hidden telsa coil in the back room, a coincidental sync with a radio or telluric current(?) as I understand?

I wonder if the hand-modified/wound generator/motor things end up working because of a imbalance in the windings that's slight enough to acquire a torque outside of their normal curve.