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Title: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 27, 2022, 05:43:58 PM
Hello,

Please don't forget the title of the game, electrons Captor from earth ground and/or air, water grounding ?

Try this basic setup and see if any result or not?

Polar capacitor 400 volts DC and 300 micro farads
Using full bridge rectifier ?

Sorry for the schematic, I can't upload a video for the moment.

Rgrds
Vortex 22
You can power the circuit from any source
Like battery+ inverter or from solar panels...
The mains is not need for this!!

Be careful please
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 27, 2022, 06:22:25 PM
I just can't upload a video.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 27, 2022, 06:41:22 PM
What size diodes would you suggest? I have no idea of the earth/water current.

Well,
Any diodes with voltage rating that can support the Capacitor charging!!

If your polar capacitor are rated 400 volts DC
Use 600 volts for the diodes
We are not using amps, so high current diodes lts not needed!!

Be careful
Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 12:19:16 PM
Hello

I don't see any progress here? Just wondering..
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
Hello to All,

I want to delete my account at OU
after nix85 exposed my whatsapp number to public and he refused to erase it

I just don't know how to do it, please help me
Thank you
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: ramset on May 28, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
That is not good
( doxing?)


Will make sure to notify today !
This is definitely terms of service violation





Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: pix on May 28, 2022, 02:06:27 PM
That is not good
( doxing?)


Will make sure to notify today !
This is definitely terms of service violation


Definitely.
Mr. nix85 brought discussin on this forum to the next level.
Down.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
@ramset

Exactly, he doesn't want to help but to confuse and distract, like you say,
spamming with redundant nonsense, trying to take over the thread,
clearly in violation of TOS.

Stefan has been notified, further actions will be taken as needed.

@wlw

Your story is full of holes, but i don't care. I just don't want my
thread infested with filth.

Success stories are always welcome when they are shared with some
minimum degree of decency and clarity, but when it is but a
self exalting patronizing pile of drivel, then we got a problem.

As for charge cap with voltage only (from the ground), what are you
parroting about, that idea is as old as Tesla's radiant energy patent
that is the basic premise of all we are talking about, how many videos
i shared doing exactly that (not just hot air like you two).


Here is one again, 1100W straight from the ground, load is insulated
by the transformers, there is no possibility of closing the circuit
(bypassing the meter), just radiant energy. Wall voltage is only
a source of information, nothing more. As guy says in Russian,
it is a different kind of energy, high frequency, white light...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dc-5tPc90

If YOU can't see the value in THAT, yo have no business being here discussing FE/OU.

As for kindness, FIRST RULE of kindness is NOT to have a condescending,
arrogant attitude you two (or one) had since the beginning.
Jesus Christ
You admit it !!! The idea of charging the Capacitor from what ever ground... Works perfect !!! My God help me
But you don't want to discuss it?
You prefer to hear it from a YouTube Russian guy? Is that you or just a friend!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: ramset on May 28, 2022, 05:43:14 PM
Mr . Vortex
Please respond to pm I sent ,will be trying to speak with Stefan about this shortly


And also clarify your wishes ( seems you still are interacting with…?




Respectfully
Chet
Edit
I did not see original ….do to link not opening on my phone
However on computer it does ( I never use computer here)


Sorry it would have been removed much sooner !


Have forwarded to admin ,will keep trying until I get result ( removal of offense


EDIT
Yes Stefan is working in field ATM ( away from computer)
He will remedy later tonight
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Ok
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on May 28, 2022, 09:35:26 PM
Hello

I don't see any progress here? Just wondering..

I've ordered the parts but the way the mail is now it will be a couple of weeks at least before arrives.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 28, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
Unbelievable hypocrisy, he FIRST shared my private message to him CLEARLY
A VIOLATION OF TOS and now (badly) acts as a victim. And that assuming
that is real info, do you really think this guy is from Mauritania/Senegal. Ccc

And as for accusation by pix that i brought "discussin on this forum to the next level.
Down." Ironic, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact i dismantled his theory.
If vortex' content is his idea of bringing discussion up, eh, what to say but what
has this forum come to, no wonder many good knowledgable people have long gone.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 11:13:32 PM
If you want to share something useful about free energy/ Over unity
I am all ears!!!

Your bla bla... And low talk is not needed here.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: hartiberlin on May 28, 2022, 11:23:25 PM
I have deleted now the private Whatsapp number post.
Regards, Stefan. (Admin)
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 28, 2022, 11:25:25 PM
 ;D Oh the irony, all you posted so far has been "bla bla low talk" spam...

I see you even posted a photo of a plastic water bottle with cable in it : )

LET'S SEE YOUR CAPACITOR CHARGING FROM THE GROUND/WATER
WITH NO CURRENT.....

You claim it, you supposedly want to "help", why the secrecy, let's see it,
you clearly have a camera...

Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 28, 2022, 11:36:11 PM
I have deleted now the private Whatsapp number post.
Regards, Stefan. (Admin)
Thank you Sir
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 12:29:10 AM
I can upload a video now!

You can see, the charging process is slow!!!
We using 220 v 50 Hz only.

But it's for learning purpose only, later we can speed up much faster?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 12:59:41 AM
Funny. So we see a small cap charging at a rate around 1V per minute.

You would literally get more energy with a smartphone sized solar panel.

This cannot even be compared to powering a real load of 1100W from
the ground with 9W input.

Or even with Avramenko plug like this, powering a CFL light, probably
13 to 15 watts connected between one terminal of the coil and the CASE
of the cap, there is no closed circuit here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy1_J7ZjP7M
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:10:00 AM
This is not Don Smith tabletop device output 28.8 kw

This is the first baby step after that can walk and run !!!

If the effect is real we can maximize it

Do you remember, the first plane is not jumbo plane?

Your solar panels don't work in most times and in all places in the world?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:17:32 AM
Funny. So we see a small cap charging at a rate around 1V per minute.


I admit it it's very slow process but it's good to show the ''anomaly''
Do you remember that Don Smith in most his devices
Using NST 9000 volts and 35.1 kHz? For the input

To add...

I want people to play with low voltage and low frequency first
Warning
Don't ever play with high voltage if you are not trained person in high voltage
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 01:24:12 AM
Don't get so defensive, all i said is that power you're getting is miniscule
comparable to a tiny solar panel, and it's not "my solar panels", never used
them, never plan to, apart for powering a calculator i totally dislike them.

I was already getting sparks when shorting my secondary comparable to those of
car battery, big thick sparks with no increase on the power input, in fact power went
DOWN a little. Just have to perfect the tuning and few other details.

In fact Don used around 30-35KHz but only around 3-4kV, clearly his primary
caps were limited to 4kV, on the secondary he had 8kV and 0.047uF through
diodes into 2uF bank.

And his metglas trans which allegedly outputted 10kW worked at 55KHz.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:35:01 AM
Let's  replicate this ''anomaly'' first


Then I will show you the next move!!!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:40:06 AM
[quote author=nix85 link=topic=19129.msg567512#msg567512 date=

In fact Don used around 30-35KHz but only around 3-4kV, clearly his primary
caps were limited to 4kV, on the secondary he had 8kV and 0.047uF through
diodes into 2uF bank.
[/quote]
It's clair to me you don't understand Don.

At least you should play with this simple circuit?

Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 01:44:17 AM
HA, get off your imaginary horse, you are very very little in this world, you got nothing.

So quiet yourself and LEARN from MASTERS.

800W out LOOPED (no power input).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vGP5-qacAY&ab_channel=GREENWAVE

Values i gave you for Don's tabletop and metglas device are exact,

It's even clearer to me you don't even know the basic stuff about Don, let alone understand him, you are a delusional clown.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:48:10 AM
HA, get off your imaginary horse, you are very very little in this world, you got nothing.

So quiet yourself and LEARN from MASTERS.

800W out LOOPED (no power input).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vGP5-qacAY&ab_channel=GREENWAVE
Sorry I am here to share
Not for fishing ideas!!!

And your negative talk don't affect me? For your knowledge
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 01:52:09 AM
Sorry I am here to share
Not for fishing ideas!!!

And your negative talk don't affect me? For your knowledge

Negative talk is all yours. I just gave you CORRECT values for two Don's devices

and you responded with "It's clair to me you don't understand Don."

You truly are a clown, and it's spelled "clear".

You don't even know basic basic stuff about Don. You have no knowledge or understanding.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 02:00:06 AM
First I am not your student and you are not my teacher!!!

Second
Show me just a little result based on your assumption about Don Smith tabletop device? And please don't blame Don if you don't have the desired outcome

Regards
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 02:20:36 AM
As someone who knows incomparably less than me
you are naturally my student, like it or not.

Now you're grabbing onto results card, and where is your results,
1V per MINUTE into a small cap, HA. Could not power a calculator with that.

I  clearly said above i was getting extra big sparks from shorting the secondary
while the power input went DOWN a little. Of course i need to fine
tune it and some other details, it's work in progress.... And where is YOUR
DS replica, you got nothing, ohhh, you got it but "can't show it", ofc.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 04:00:09 AM
This thread dedicated to Don Smith tech / Tesla
Period.
It's not about me or you or anyone else. Sorry

To add
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

- Arthur Schopenhauer

Now I can see that you are on the first stage !!

With your experience and knowledge
You can try this simple circuit!!! If you really want to help humanity? By real work
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 04:13:04 AM
Don Smith tabletop device
From many stages.

The last stage for power output

But remember
Do not count the chicken before the eggs hatch

We need the power in the output
Not in the input side!! Free yourself from mainstream thinking !!!
The output power is not equal to the input power
Hell it's much more 13333 times the input
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 04:40:57 AM
 ;D Why am i not surprized that you only come up with more poor excuses and
ad-hominems, like i said you got nothing. You have NOT EVEN BEGAN to
replicate Don, you are at stage 0. It is YOU who is "ridiculing the truth".

I have already built the device, and this setup is result of months of hard work
making different coils, spark gaps and all the rest, measuring, experimenting...
and i already had that interesting result with secondary shorting as noted and am ​working on tuning and calibrating it, constantly improving it.

You probably never wound a coil in your life, you don't even know the basics
about Don, about resonant induction, about anything. What a joke you are.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 04:52:31 AM
Only
Talk from you....

Bla bla.... Is not needed here

Show work, circuit
Even your tuning... Good luck anyway
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 05:02:41 AM
Who discovered the magnetic induction?

Faraday's name is forever tied to capacity....should have been a hint...but no one caught on.... The coulomb and its relation to current....should have been a hint but no one caught on there either....
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 05:07:46 AM
For your knowledge
I'm trying my best to explain the underline working principles
For free energy generator !!!

If no one replicate this simple circuit,
I will show how to speed up this process.

Also
Je veux pas répondre sans voir ton travail.
Bon travail.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 12:00:31 PM
1v per minute into small cap, are you kidding. YOU are nothing but bla bla bla.

I actually BUILT the Zila Smith device and am in advanced stages of tuning.

I might film my device in action altho not finished yet so you see what

ACTUAL work is, not your little mockery.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:09:13 PM
1v per minute into small cap, are you kidding. YOU are nothing but bla bla bla.

This is the basic idea, it's not the final product!!! The first step
If you can do that?

You are trying to confuses new ppl in this field?
Or even you are trying to confuse me in person?

Genius, All Smith devices based on capacitor bank 28.8 kw range and higher? You know how to fully charge a capacitor bank? It's not about resonance anyway !

Good luck with your tuning...
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 01:31:13 PM
Hell,
I can charge the polar Capacitor to it's voltage breakdown!!!
But
First you must replicate this '' little '' circuit?

I am in no hurry to share anything with you. You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway. I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture. The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations( if any), and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, themore one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: whitelightningwizard on May 29, 2022, 02:21:50 PM
nixy,

already been thru this, but wot Vortex says to do WORKS. have done it myself, and am DIFFERENT PERSON.

if u in fact try it, u will see. I’m sure u have the parts lying around to do simple test.

why r u here? but to battle Vortex? u have ur own DS thread... go there and share ur build. and ur pics of UFO's...  :P

this is place for Capacitor electrons captor replication builds.  ;D

wlw
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: am1ll3r on May 29, 2022, 02:25:06 PM
I can upload a video now!

You can see, the charging process is slow!!!
We using 220 v 50 Hz only.

But it's for learning purpose only, later we can speed up much faster?
Thanks for the video.
I have some caps and diodes on the way so I will replicate and upload a video when I can.
What is the source of your blue wire?
Cheers!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Thanks for the video.
I have some caps and diodes on the way so I will replicate and upload a video when I can.
What is the source of your blue wire?
Cheers!
From any source 220v / 50 Hz :
mains
Battery+inverter
Solar panels...

Be careful please
Regards
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: ramset on May 29, 2022, 02:49:07 PM
Yes it would be a good idea to keep cross topic fighting to …..
Nil …zilch …nada !


Also
There are many builders who could be invited here to replicate
It has been my experience that fighting and arguing
Work against the goal !
Nobody wants or needs the extra noise !


Some revel in the noise (fight) , others ( more serious)
Are more interested in signal


Post a schematic with components and values


And expected results!


They will come (as you see already starting)
Please remember our hosts vision ..and why we are here !
Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on May 29, 2022, 03:06:21 PM
Hello Vortex.

Did you get my PM today?
Like I already said to you, I tried the experiment one week ago or so, and the results are similar to yours, but I think the power comes from the mains due to some tiny capacitance to the ground.
Did you try it with a battery and an inverter also? Does it work the same?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 03:33:22 PM
Hello Vortex.

Did you get my PM today?
Like I already said to you, I tried the experiment one week ago or so, and the results are similar to yours, but I think the power comes from the mains due to some tiny capacitance to the ground.
Did you try it with a battery and an inverter also? Does it work the same?
In my experiment
Same result with battery+ inverter...

Yes for the pm but I am in downtown...
Will réponse later, sorry

Thank you for the report!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 03:40:34 PM
Bla bla bla, fact is the power you're getting is next to zero.
I invite everyone to replicate your experiment and try to scale it up.
Let's see it produce some REAL power, not miliwatts.
Will we ever see that?

Like i said i already built a full scale Don replica. It's delicate but well
worth the effort. You built nothing similar, i doubt you even know how to
wind a bifilar.

"All Smith devices based on capacitor bank 28.8 kw range and higher"

"Genius", Don's metglas transformer he said produced 10kW used no
caps at all (55KHz device), Don's alleged matchbox device did not even use
coils according to him, do you have no shame at all. Also Zila said "caps
have only diminished my power output"...

"It's not about resonance"

You may deceive the weak minded but all intelligent here know just from this
claim you are an ignorant clown (or intentionally misleading?).

It IS all about RESONANCE. One can get some weak effects without it like
your little toy or just plugging a cap into the ground you will get few volts......

....but if one wants to unplug from the grid, if one wants to produce KILOWATTS
instead of milliwatts then one definitely wants to use resonance, Tesla,
Keely, Don and others were all about RESONANCE for a good reason, it is the KEY.
Practically all high power output OU devices are based on RESONANCE (LC, ferro,
acoustic, or combination of).

Ask yoursef, "genius", if it's not about resonance, how does stepping of soldiers
in sync DISINTEGRATE A BRIDGE, do you have any idea what kind of energy
is needed to do that and how incomparably small is the actual energy input
from their steps....

Ask yourself, "genius", how does a moderate wind shatter the bridge into dust
if it happens to match it's resonant frequency or opera singer a glass or how
Tesla almost took his hotel down by his vibrating pump...

You have no idea that resonance is all there is, that all is oscillating on all
scales at it's natural frequency. As great Gennady Ignatyev said every point
of space-time can be seen as an LC tank. Resonance is everything. Matter
itself is just standing waves.

I am delightfully laughing at your endless ignorance and delusion of grandeur.
You are completely lost holding onto crumbs totally unaware of
the great PRINCIPLE which makes one wonder is it by accident or.

But hey, you got yourself a thread, lead your sheep away from resonance.

Good luck with that

Nix
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on May 29, 2022, 03:58:00 PM
wlwy,

Great, i am glad it does, let's see it power a real load so we don't have to
bother with coils and tuning, we'll just plug our homes between ground
and a water bottle x )

And what do you have against UFOs, do you feel threatened by them :P

May this place be what it is, i wish him many successful replications
and scaling up to kilowatt range. Let's see how it goes : )
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on May 29, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
OK Vortex, I just tried the experiment from a small UPS and it charges a 470uF cap at a rate of about 0.2V per minute.
What's next?

Edit:
Sorry but my time is up for today, will check later in about 5 hours...
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 05:47:17 PM
OK Vortex, I just tried the experiment from a small UPS and it charges a 470uF cap at a rate of about 0.2V per minute.
What's next?

Edit:
Sorry but my time is up for today, will check later in about 5 hours...
Ok

The goal is to charge a capacitor bank rated 10 kW from open source?

But are pulling any current from your input?
Charging capacitor using voltage only?

For now
We are not interested in circuit quantities!!!
Interested in qualities only !!

Nom it's time to try to understand Don Smith formula for capacitor? And manipulate it

 according to Don formula
How can we speed up the charging Cap process?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 06:09:43 PM
Don Smith :

'' Capacitors and inductors store electrons temporarily. ( For free / open source )

Capacitor formula: W = 0.5 x C x E x Cycles per second where:

W = energy in Joules (Watt Seconds )
C = capacitance in farads
E = applied potential in volts squared.


Inductor (Coil) formula: W = 0.5 x L x I x Cycles per second where:
W = energy in Joules (Watt Seconds )
L = inductance in henrys
I = current in amperes squared

Both one henry, and one farad, equal one volt. The higher the cycles per second, including the squaring of
the flux lines, cause a large increase in the amount of energy being produced. ''

How can we speed up the charging Cap ? According to this Don formula?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 07:12:52 PM
First Cap electrons captor feeding second capacitor electrons Captor!!!

First Cap captor is powered by
9000 volts/ 35.1 kHz

Second Cap captor is powered by the first Captor + higher voltage and frequency !!! To charge capacitor bank high power ?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 29, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
In Don Smith tabletop device
The first capacitor electrons Captor rated at 4000 volts DC and 0.1 micro farads using two Caps ( are they connected in series or in parallel? In series
I think ...  I would prefer much smaller polar capacitor That's makes sense to me!!.... Do you think?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on May 29, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
Here ya go:
https://i.postimg.cc/c4XFnVXY/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg

 (https://i.postimg.cc/c4XFnVXY/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg)See you tomorrow in about 23 hours.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 30, 2022, 03:24:51 AM
Here ya go:
https://i.postimg.cc/c4XFnVXY/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg

 (https://i.postimg.cc/c4XFnVXY/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg)See you tomorrow in about 23 hours.
Hello,
Are you referring to Don tabletop device photo?
Pulse cap and coil? That's not open circuit? If not then you know the reality of induction magnetic loses?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 30, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Hi,
I have try the same setup but using two different input ( open circuit) and guess what?...
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on May 30, 2022, 10:26:24 PM
Hi, I posted that photo because you were guessing if caps were in series or in parallel. Well, there is no guess work needed it is obvious from the photos ( I'm posting previous photo again - had to remove it from that link):

https://i.postimg.cc/2yhQFdVL/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zB9wg2X1/don1.jpg

...but it is also true that Don said that this is not a working device and was put together just to see how the components would fit on the board.

About speeding up the charging, common sense tells me to up the voltage and frequency until managable limit, building one stage after another is also an option.

You would prefer smaller polar caps? What kind of polar caps - what voltage and uF, I think there is a reason Don made it the way it is.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: am1ll3r on May 31, 2022, 12:29:06 AM
Simple experiment complete. Similar results.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 31, 2022, 02:20:06 AM
Hi, I posted that photo because you were guessing if caps were in series or in parallel. Well, there is no guess work needed it is obvious from the photos ( I'm posting previous photo again - had to remove it from that link):

https://i.postimg.cc/2yhQFdVL/Primarycapsdiodes.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zB9wg2X1/don1.jpg

...but it is also true that Don said that this is not a working device and was put together just to see how the components would fit on the board.

About speeding up the charging, common sense tells me to up the voltage and frequency until managable limit, building one stage after another is also an option.

You would prefer smaller polar caps? What kind of polar caps - what voltage and uF, I think there is a reason Don made it the way it is.
Ok
Well, the basic idea is to charge a Cap from ground ( not from battery) and discharge it into one turn of primary coils ( Tesla coils)
On the secondary Coil the voltage and frequency is up to charge a capacitor bank?

Take care
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on May 31, 2022, 02:21:50 AM
Simple experiment complete. Similar results.
Cheers!
Nice
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on May 31, 2022, 01:22:13 PM
If the caps are in parallel then the energy is 2843100 joules. That's 2.843100 MW if you can produce that many joules per second.
If the caps are in series the energy is 71077 joules. If that can be produced every second why do we need any more?



Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on May 31, 2022, 11:31:09 PM
Hi tomd.

How did you get those wild numbers? From what I calculated it is about 112000 joules per second (I used double 35kHZ neon sign transformer output frequency, not taking into account LC Tank resonant frequency), but the power is al reactive in that stage - LC resonant tank - If you try to use it you drain the LC tank resonance and kill it.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 01, 2022, 12:01:52 AM
Hello,

You can do anything you want.

I don't care about resonance
Should build two stages of capacitor electrons Captor!!!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 01, 2022, 12:15:48 AM
Ok
Well, the basic idea is to charge a Cap from ground ( not from battery) and discharge it into one turn of primary coils ( Tesla coils)
On the secondary Coil the voltage and frequency is up to charge a capacitor bank?

Take care

Hi Vortex. Are you asking us questions? Aren't you supposed to be the one that knows this?
Anyway, what would you suggest as the next experiment?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 01, 2022, 01:38:04 AM
Hi,

Honestly I never replicate Don Smith tabletop device
But gained a lot of knowledge from Don Smith materials !!!

I do know that coil electrons Captor must exist?
But I am playing a lot with capacitor electrons Captor
DC capacitor Captor
AC capacitor Captor


Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 01, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
Hi tomd.

How did you get those wild numbers? From what I calculated it is about 112000 joules per second (I used double 35kHZ neon sign transformer output frequency, not taking into account LC Tank resonant frequency), but the power is al reactive in that stage - LC resonant tank - If you try to use it you drain the LC tank resonance and kill it.

½C*V²*f
Parallel: ½*0.0000002*9000²*35100=2,843,100 joules
Series : ½*0.00000005*9000²*35100=71,077 joules

Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: r2fpl on June 01, 2022, 10:59:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INPIfDGfMGs&t=3643s

Don Smith is cheating! I do not have such an option in this schematic that the frequency is 60 Hz!
The frequency would need to be in (30-37) Khz or as a DC.

This is FAKE ! No device has been proven to work by itself by DonS.
But nobody cares and pretends not to see it.


Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: seychelles on June 01, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
YEAP JUST A LOT OF FURFIES OR JACK AND JILL WENT UP THE HILL STORIES.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 01, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
Just an observation. A polar capacitor can't be part of a tank circuit.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 01, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
½C*V²*f
Parallel: ½*0.0000002*9000²*35100=2,843,100 joules
Series : ½*0.00000005*9000²*35100=71,077 joules
Wow that's a lot of energy !!!

''  This is one of most beautiful things ever produced in the way of apparatus: I take a generator of any
kind. With the generator I charge a condenser. Then I discharge the condenser under conditions
which result in the production of vibrations''

''  The condenser is the most wonderful instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive. '

Nikola Tesla
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 01, 2022, 06:23:44 PM
½C*V²*f
Parallel: ½*0.0000002*9000²*35100=2,843,100 joules
Series : ½*0.00000005*9000²*35100=71,077 joules

Correction:- assuming the given voltage is RMS the peak voltage will be 12,728V. A full bridge rectifier will result in double the frequency so 70,200 Hz.

Parallel: ½*0.0000002*12728²*70200=1,137,254 joules
Series : ½*0.00000005*12728²*70200=284,313 joules
No matter weather the 9,000 volts quoted is peak or RMS the resulting energy is more than enough.

By multiplying by frequency aren't you effectively converting joules to joules per second or watts?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 01, 2022, 11:30:44 PM
Hi tomd
Those caps are 4000V each and the maximum allowed voltage is not the same when in parallel as when in series, hope you know the basics of electronics.

About Don Smith being fake, that could be said for any unprooven device, but that doesen't mean that it is true. No need to supress this thread, people will go the way  they want whether you like it or not. They may not succed but will definitely learn a lot, if there is a chance that this would work, why not give it a try. Those who are willing and want to go that way should do it anyway.
I know that Don Smith topic has ben beeten to death many times in the past, but reading the forums is one thing and experiencing stuff first hand is another.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 02, 2022, 01:26:45 AM
@maddan
Your right. However the source is a 9kv nst. Anyway I'll do the sums again using 4,000 volts.
Parallel: 0.5*0.0000002*4000²*70200=112,320
Series: 0.5*0.00000005*4000²*70200=28,080
Each cap in series would have 2000 volts across it. The total being 4000 volts.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 02, 2022, 06:48:36 AM
Don's small suitcase model has a 12V battery which runs a 2.5Kv RMS 12mA nst. This connects directly to a 8000uF DC capacitor rated at 480 volts. The circuit seems to be missing some diodes to convert the AC to pulsed DC. Then basically the cap connects to an isolation transformer and then the load.

How is it that a 480VDC capacitor is being charged by a 3.75Kv peak nst?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 02, 2022, 10:14:30 PM
Hi tomd.

Don's small suitcase model has a 12V battery which runs a 2.5Kv RMS 12mA nst. This connects directly to a 8000uF DC capacitor rated at 480 volts. The circuit seems to be missing some diodes to convert the AC to pulsed DC. Then basically the cap connects to an isolation transformer and then the load.

Could you please point me to the circuit - schematic of the mentioned suitcase device? Been long time since I went through all the Don Smith material - already forgot where which info is.

Quote
How is it that a 480VDC capacitor is being charged by a 3.75Kv peak nst?

Did you ever try to capture a coil's flyback spike through a diode into a cap? What was the spike peak voltage and what was the cap voltage rating? Maybe put together the circuit and see what's going on.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 02, 2022, 11:27:14 PM
Hi tomd.

Could you please point me to the circuit - schematic of the mentioned suitcase device? Been long time since I went through all the Don Smith material - already forgot where which info is.

Did you ever try to capture a coil's flyback spike through a diode into a cap? What was the spike peak voltage and what was the cap voltage rating? Maybe put together the circuit and see what's going on.

I have attached the schematic. I think the circuit needs a gdt between the cap and isolation transformer. The gdt would have a breakdown voltage less than the voltage rating of the cap (480v).

It seems to me this schematic would be easy to combine with Vortex's water ground cap charging.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 03, 2022, 12:30:22 AM
C-1 capacitor or bank of capacitor 8000 micro farads for 480 volts DC?

 Power output
480 volts at 60 amps

My guess
It's a polar capacitor electrons Captor? Ok
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 03, 2022, 04:26:19 AM
C-1 capacitor or bank of capacitor 8000 micro farads for 480 volts DC?

 Power output
480 volts at 60 amps

My guess
It's a polar capacitor electrons Captor? Ok

Yes. But how can a nst with a peak voltage of 3.75kv charge it without destroying it?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 03, 2022, 09:01:19 AM
What's probably happening here. The capacitor time constant is much larger than the time required to reach maximum voltage.
The time constant is 8000uf*R. Let's say R is 10 ohms. So one time constant is 0.08s and it takes 5 time constants to charge a cap. After one time constant it will be 66% fully charged. At a frequency of 25KHz the maximum voltage of 3750 volts will occur after 0.00001 seconds. That's no where near enough time to build up enough charge to exceed the capacitor voltage rating.
 
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 03, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
This is capacitor electrons Captor
An open circuit vs the standard closed circuit



Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 03, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
This is capacitor electrons Captor
An open circuit vs the standard closed circuit

So on your capacitor electrons captor where one leg originates from a bottle of water it's ok if the live wire exceeds the voltage rating of the cap?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 03, 2022, 10:01:29 PM
Hi tomd, thanks for the pictures.
The GDT may not be needed since there is resistor R-1 that maintains the cap voltage and varistor V-1 limits te voltage through ground G-2. But what bothers me is ground G-1 of the neon sign transformer - in my opinion it should be internally connected to the center tap of the module's HV side, but from the pictures I don't see a third center tap wire from that or any similar module:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg

 (https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg)...so are we gonna build something? Where do we get the right neon sign transformer and the output isolation transformer? Will a MOT do for testing?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 03, 2022, 11:09:19 PM
Just to be clear. This is what we are dealing with and Vortex has been adamant about.
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator11_201905
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator21_201905
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 03, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
Hi tomd, thanks for the pictures.
The GDT may not be needed since there is resistor R-1 that maintains the cap voltage and varistor V-1 limits te voltage through ground G-2. But what bothers me is ground G-1 of the neon sign transformer - in my opinion it should be internally connected to the center tap of the module's HV side, but from the pictures I don't see a third center tap wire from that or any similar module:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg

 (https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg)...so are we gonna build something? Where do we get the right neon sign transformer and the output isolation transformer? Will a MOT do for testing?

I think it's worthwhile. Just need to get everything clear in my head first.
This is the nst Don used: https://www.ventextech.com/products/vt4015-12/
But a suitable nst with a peak voltage of around 4000 volts should be ok. The ventex model doesn't require a inverter so that's less expense I guess.

The isolation transformer is another matter. However the output is 28.8Kw (480v at 60amps).
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 04, 2022, 01:03:58 AM
―Grounding is a relative sort of thing. It's that ―there's more of something here and less of something here‖, so it's going to move between the more to the less, or something, 2001
Inventors Weekend - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&
v=W7GHqw7d1No#t=3106] Smith's capacitor ―trick‖ would appear to amount to agitating the ambient background, while ―presenting‖ to it a region of space (the ―B‖
plate of the capacitor) whose density of negative charges (electrons) is, or appears to be, lower than that of ambient. INSTANTLY, Nature moves to ―rebalance‖ the situation.
and it's that leg that's in between there that's your useful energy.

Smith's concept of ―proper ground‖ appears to have been the diametrical OPPOSITE of
―conventional‖ ―proper ground‖. His devices RELIED on ―silicone-related non-metals‖ as
generous DONORS of NEGATIVE CHARGES. Silicone is another word for SAND, which conventional ground connections quite specifically act to AVOID. But Smith was NOT seeking to ―dissipate away‖ ―excess‖ / ―stray‖ / ―transient‖ currents or other ―undesired
charges‖. That Pesky ―Little‖ Matter of ―PROPER GROUND
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 04, 2022, 01:07:32 AM
I think it's worthwhile. Just need to get everything clear in my head first.
This is the nst Don used: https://www.ventextech.com/products/vt4015-12/
But a suitable nst with a peak voltage of around 4000 volts should be ok. The ventex model doesn't require a inverter so that's less expense I guess.

The isolation transformer is another matter. However the output is 28.8Kw (480v at 60amps).
4000 volts output and 35 kHz?

Please don't earth this high voltage Input?  And you don't need a GFI
Galvanic isolation
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 04, 2022, 02:19:37 AM
@Vortex
Actually I think it's 25KHz. Just something I picked up from the Smith.pdf.
This one is 4KV peak, 30mA, 40Khz and no GFCI
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKzuNIa
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 04, 2022, 02:34:22 AM
This is an electron captor. Could it be that the capacitor voltage rating isn't exceeded as charge doesn't accumulate to a sufficient degree. It is attracted to the positive voltage pulse and then goes back to ground.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: kwag on June 04, 2022, 06:42:16 AM
Just to be clear. This is what we are dealing with and Vortex has been adamant about.
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator11_201905
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator21_201905

I'm trying to find this user's guide.
Does anyone have a link?

Thanks
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 04, 2022, 07:54:33 AM
I'm trying to find this user's guide.
Does anyone have a link?

Thanks

Not sure what user guide you mean.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 04, 2022, 07:56:24 AM
Feel free to comment. I think it may need another earth
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: pix on June 04, 2022, 12:46:56 PM
Feel free to comment. I think it may need another earth
How are you going to let L1 oscilate ?
You supply it with DC through full wave rectifier and attach another diode D2?
There is no way it will transfer any load to secondary.
That circuit is making no sense.
Cheers,
Pix
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 04, 2022, 02:43:37 PM
Hello

Assume we have
18000 volts at 50 Mega Hz?
For charging Capacitor bank at 480 volts DC? ( Captor )
I doubt that we need only one Cap 8000 micro farads !!!

If we don't have that circuit then must build it?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 04, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
Feel free to comment. I think it may need another earth
R2 is not needed
R1 maybe... Because you must discharge any Cap before handling... Also That parallel connection is not needed

It's possible to use one earth ground...
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 05, 2022, 03:46:19 AM
Hello

Assume we have
18000 volts at 50 Mega Hz?
For charging Capacitor bank at 480 volts DC? ( Captor )
I doubt that we need only one Cap 8000 micro farads !!!

If we don't have that circuit then must build it?

You need an air core step up transformer with a tank circuit driving the primary to increase the frequency.  But why 18,000 volts at 50 MHz?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 05, 2022, 08:02:55 AM
Here we go again.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 05, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
Hi everyone. I did the next step - vortex experiment with HV. Instead of mains I used a battery powered HV module from aliexpress or ebay, and instead of a jug of water I used an old flooded type lead acid battery.
The cap charges at a rate of 1V per 10 seconds.

Link to hv module and schematic:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32962520121.html
https://i.postimg.cc/9FdgP8Fc/vortex-experiment-with-HV.png

Take care and have fun.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 05, 2022, 03:57:05 PM
Here we go again.
C-1 will not charge !!! D1 serve no purpose
Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 05, 2022, 04:01:52 PM
Hi everyone. I did the next step - vortex experiment with HV. Instead of mains I used a battery powered HV module from aliexpress or ebay, and instead of a jug of water I used an old flooded type lead acid battery.
The cap charges at a rate of 1V per 10 seconds.

Link to hv module and schematic:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32962520121.html
https://i.postimg.cc/9FdgP8Fc/vortex-experiment-with-HV.png

Take care and have fun.
I can't comment because no details of your experiment?
Your voltage and frequency input? Capacitance of your capacitor?

Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 05, 2022, 04:05:40 PM
You need to study and understand this very simple circuit?
Don't change anything... You can't do that.. well you can do anything you want!! Good luck with
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 05, 2022, 04:10:44 PM
Hi everyone. I did the next step - vortex experiment with HV. Instead of mains I used a battery powered HV module from aliexpress or ebay, and instead of a jug of water I used an old flooded type lead acid battery.
The cap charges at a rate of 1V per 10 seconds.

Link to hv module and schematic:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32962520121.html
https://i.postimg.cc/9FdgP8Fc/vortex-experiment-with-HV.png

Take care and have fun.
This not my recommendation to use battery as a ground?
Also
You can post here your schematic and video in OU site?
Again
Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 05, 2022, 04:46:54 PM
Hi. The cap is 470uF as in my previous experiment. The voltage with 1mm sparkgap would be around 1KV and I don't know what the frequency is but from the sound of the sparkgap is not above 1kHz.

Is the schematic from my previous post not visible to you?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 05, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Hi. The cap is 470uF as in my previous experiment. The voltage with 1mm sparkgap would be around 1KV and I don't know what the frequency is but from the sound of the sparkgap is not above 1kHz.

Is the schematic from my previous post not visible to you?
I recommend a  smaller polar capacitor?
 Few pF at 4000 volts DC?

Schematic is not visible to me sorry?
It's not possible to upload it on OU?
Regards
Vortex 22
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 05, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
OK, I wasn't aware of that, so you also didn't see the pictures I posted in my previous posts?

Schematic:
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: kwag on June 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Not sure what user guide you mean.

Read Reply #79 above. On page 6.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 06, 2022, 07:34:58 AM
Read Reply #79 above. On page 6.

As far as I know that's all there is.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: forest on June 06, 2022, 05:11:37 PM
Why do you insist on using diode bridge ? Just curious
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 07, 2022, 02:32:17 AM
Why do you insist on using diode bridge ? Just curious

https://overunity.com/19129/capacitor-electrons-captor-from-don-smith-tesla/msg567445/#msg567445
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 07, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
OK, I did few more tests just to see if there is any difference. I repeated the tests several times to exclude human error.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 07, 2022, 10:02:49 PM
OK, I did few more tests just to see if there is any difference. I repeated the tests several times to exclude human error.
Hi

What is the purpose of spark gap before the diodes?
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 07, 2022, 10:09:47 PM
To not let the magic smoke out of the HV module.  ;D
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 08, 2022, 05:02:35 PM
Spark gap needed to discharge the Capacitor... This will kill the process! Good luck
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: forest on June 09, 2022, 03:29:12 PM
4


measure input power, replace capacitor into 1nf 20kv, spark gap then Don Smith tabletop device. you are in bussiness
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: madddann on June 09, 2022, 09:59:07 PM
Hi forest.
Well, that's easier said than done. That chinese taser HV module is my only source of HV at the moment and if I spread the sparkgap  contacts further than 10mm apart I'm sure it will die.  :D There is no need to measure the input at this stage, I'm sure it is many times the output power.
I was thinking about buying some neon sign transformers up to 5kV from aliexpress.
When dealing with HV 20kV there are certain hurdles to overcome like finding the right diodes, making a DIY capacitor (maybe I can deal with that) and so on. Can you imagine the noise of that sparkgap firing at 20kv?  ;D
I agree that Don's tabletop device is an essential part when taking this route, but I was hoping to avoid voltages above 5Kv, unless all the hard to obtain components can be avoided.


Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: Vortex 22 on June 13, 2022, 02:02:05 AM
Hi,

Also Coil electrones Captor must exist!!!

When we combine
(Capacitor+ Coil ) electrons Captor
This is Resonance in Smith terminology!!!
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: tomd on June 13, 2022, 08:46:51 AM
In Don's briefcase device he has two 4000V DC  0.1nF capacitors and a couple of diodes before the primary coil. Therefore the caps are not forming part of a tank circuit. So maybe the coil is self resonant or not.
Title: Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
Post by: nix85 on June 13, 2022, 07:16:22 PM
8 pages into the thread, we still have not seen this method (which is a banalized version of Don Smith's/Tesla electron captor method) produce a single watt of power, forget about 1W, let's see it produce 1/10 of a watt OU.

You vortex are lifetimes away from knowing the Truth. In 10 lifetimes maybe you will understand it is ALL about resonance.