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Author Topic: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla  (Read 11377 times)

Offline tomd

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2022, 09:01:19 AM »
What's probably happening here. The capacitor time constant is much larger than the time required to reach maximum voltage.
The time constant is 8000uf*R. Let's say R is 10 ohms. So one time constant is 0.08s and it takes 5 time constants to charge a cap. After one time constant it will be 66% fully charged. At a frequency of 25KHz the maximum voltage of 3750 volts will occur after 0.00001 seconds. That's no where near enough time to build up enough charge to exceed the capacitor voltage rating.
 

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2022, 03:14:04 PM »
This is capacitor electrons Captor
An open circuit vs the standard closed circuit




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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2022, 09:41:54 PM »
This is capacitor electrons Captor
An open circuit vs the standard closed circuit

So on your capacitor electrons captor where one leg originates from a bottle of water it's ok if the live wire exceeds the voltage rating of the cap?

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2022, 10:01:29 PM »
Hi tomd, thanks for the pictures.
The GDT may not be needed since there is resistor R-1 that maintains the cap voltage and varistor V-1 limits te voltage through ground G-2. But what bothers me is ground G-1 of the neon sign transformer - in my opinion it should be internally connected to the center tap of the module's HV side, but from the pictures I don't see a third center tap wire from that or any similar module:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg

...so are we gonna build something? Where do we get the right neon sign transformer and the output isolation transformer? Will a MOT do for testing?

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2022, 11:09:19 PM »
Just to be clear. This is what we are dealing with and Vortex has been adamant about.
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator11_201905
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator21_201905

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2022, 11:37:06 PM »
Hi tomd, thanks for the pictures.
The GDT may not be needed since there is resistor R-1 that maintains the cap voltage and varistor V-1 limits te voltage through ground G-2. But what bothers me is ground G-1 of the neon sign transformer - in my opinion it should be internally connected to the center tap of the module's HV side, but from the pictures I don't see a third center tap wire from that or any similar module:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/142922305355_/BERTONEE-NPS-12D10-12VDC-Neon-Power-Supply-3KV-AC.jpg

...so are we gonna build something? Where do we get the right neon sign transformer and the output isolation transformer? Will a MOT do for testing?

I think it's worthwhile. Just need to get everything clear in my head first.
This is the nst Don used: https://www.ventextech.com/products/vt4015-12/
But a suitable nst with a peak voltage of around 4000 volts should be ok. The ventex model doesn't require a inverter so that's less expense I guess.

The isolation transformer is another matter. However the output is 28.8Kw (480v at 60amps).

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #81 on: June 04, 2022, 01:03:58 AM »
―Grounding is a relative sort of thing. It's that ―there's more of something here and less of something here‖, so it's going to move between the more to the less, or something, 2001
Inventors Weekend - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&
v=W7GHqw7d1No#t=3106] Smith's capacitor ―trick‖ would appear to amount to agitating the ambient background, while ―presenting‖ to it a region of space (the ―B‖
plate of the capacitor) whose density of negative charges (electrons) is, or appears to be, lower than that of ambient. INSTANTLY, Nature moves to ―rebalance‖ the situation.
and it's that leg that's in between there that's your useful energy.

Smith's concept of ―proper ground‖ appears to have been the diametrical OPPOSITE of
―conventional‖ ―proper ground‖. His devices RELIED on ―silicone-related non-metals‖ as
generous DONORS of NEGATIVE CHARGES. Silicone is another word for SAND, which conventional ground connections quite specifically act to AVOID. But Smith was NOT seeking to ―dissipate away‖ ―excess‖ / ―stray‖ / ―transient‖ currents or other ―undesired
charges‖. That Pesky ―Little‖ Matter of ―PROPER GROUND

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2022, 01:07:32 AM »
I think it's worthwhile. Just need to get everything clear in my head first.
This is the nst Don used: https://www.ventextech.com/products/vt4015-12/
But a suitable nst with a peak voltage of around 4000 volts should be ok. The ventex model doesn't require a inverter so that's less expense I guess.

The isolation transformer is another matter. However the output is 28.8Kw (480v at 60amps).
4000 volts output and 35 kHz?

Please don't earth this high voltage Input?  And you don't need a GFI
Galvanic isolation

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2022, 02:19:37 AM »
@Vortex
Actually I think it's 25KHz. Just something I picked up from the Smith.pdf.
This one is 4KV peak, 30mA, 40Khz and no GFCI
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKzuNIa
« Last Edit: June 04, 2022, 07:52:16 AM by tomd »

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2022, 02:34:22 AM »
This is an electron captor. Could it be that the capacitor voltage rating isn't exceeded as charge doesn't accumulate to a sufficient degree. It is attracted to the positive voltage pulse and then goes back to ground.

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2022, 06:42:16 AM »
Just to be clear. This is what we are dealing with and Vortex has been adamant about.
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator11_201905
https://archive.org/details/AmbientEnergyGenerator21_201905

I'm trying to find this user's guide.
Does anyone have a link?

Thanks

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2022, 07:54:33 AM »
I'm trying to find this user's guide.
Does anyone have a link?

Thanks

Not sure what user guide you mean.

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2022, 07:56:24 AM »
Feel free to comment. I think it may need another earth

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2022, 12:46:56 PM »
Feel free to comment. I think it may need another earth
How are you going to let L1 oscilate ?
You supply it with DC through full wave rectifier and attach another diode D2?
There is no way it will transfer any load to secondary.
That circuit is making no sense.
Cheers,
Pix

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Re: Capacitor Electrons Captor from Don Smith / Tesla
« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2022, 02:43:37 PM »
Hello

Assume we have
18000 volts at 50 Mega Hz?
For charging Capacitor bank at 480 volts DC? ( Captor )
I doubt that we need only one Cap 8000 micro farads !!!

If we don't have that circuit then must build it?