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2022 builders survivor board => Exploring the claims of David LaPoint => Topic started by: Jimboot on May 20, 2022, 02:58:05 PM

Title: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 20, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWESbALZELQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWESbALZELQ&feature=youtu.be)[/font]Quote"This video shows you how to build an over-unity device using PrimerField magnetic arrays. This video also lays some important groundwork for the next video on a fusion-based PrimerField energy source."


This thread is dedicated to examining the mechanism of this device. With help from other members I intend to take measurements to establish the efficiency of this device and see if we can make use of the effect without building a 6M loop
See Tech Planet video here https://youtu.be/DjNg7mxCNYk I'd suggest contacting him and become a donor if you'd like to see a 6M looped version of the device as I think it would work.


3D printing file, CAD specs and other resources here. https://primerfieldfoundation.org/technology-transfer David LaPoint is complete open source and I would encourage you to build based on what I've seen so far on my bench.


Unlike other magnetic gates I've worked with like Howard Johnson devices this one does seem capable of looping.
From my own experiments with 2 bowls.
With one bowl and 360gr of force applied the PM will shoot 1.5m
With two bowls and 360gr of force applied the PM will shoot 1.7M


I hope to replicate his fusion device but that will be another thread. Any ideas or suggestion on test measurements or other applications of the effect would be greatly welcomed. Signal to Noise ratio is important though so I'll be moderating accordingly.

Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 29, 2022, 08:24:19 AM
I have a lot of improvements to make on this design. Such as printinting the rollers in tpu. I’ll probably reprint and build the bowls with stands too. I’ll need an extra set of rollers for support too. The train main need to be a larger diameter so there is less of an arc on the pm as it renters the bowl. Testing soon.
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 29, 2022, 10:01:56 AM
I’m already seeing design flaws before I run it which is good. I hope to learn more from this one before I move on to the next iteration. Any improvement ideas appreciated
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: lota on May 29, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Hello
did you use the original files? How big are the magnets? I ordered 10x10mm and will print the shells.
Greeting
Lota
A similar project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEc4lw1TWV4
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: skywatcher on May 29, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
Hello
did you use the original files? How big are the magnets? I ordered 10x10mm and will print the shells.
Greeting
Lota
A similar project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEc4lw1TWV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEc4lw1TWV4)

This was also my idea (before watching this video): why not designing a slit into the bowl, so that a rotating disc can be used ?
A rotating disc has the lowest friction, compared to a ring with rollers, and also compared with a tube where the magnets are sliding inside.
With a circular tube there would also be the problem how to start the device.


Of course, if there is a slit in the bowl, the arrangement of the magnets has to be changed slightly.
The question is, if this will have a significant impact on the forces.

Although i'm always saying that magnet motors with only permanent magnets can not work, i feel like i have to try it....   ::)
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: lota on May 29, 2022, 08:01:55 PM

Hello, you could try. But the field is changing. You can also use a crimped disc. Can you attach the file as a stl.? Or others.
Greeting
Lota
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: skywatcher on May 29, 2022, 08:10:17 PM
Hello, you could try. But the field is changing. You can also use a crimped disc. Can you attach the file as a stl.? Or others.
Greeting
Lota

Here is the stl. I designed it for 10mm x 10mm magnets. I'm currently printing it, so no guarantee for nothing.  ;)
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: skywatcher on May 29, 2022, 10:16:01 PM
One example for things which work in a linear arrangement, but not circular:

Take some batteries and connect them in series. You can get any voltage you want. You can also build some kind of 'electrostatic accelerator' which accelerates objects or particles (electrons) in the linear electric field. But you can not make a circular arrangement from this. Then you get a short circuit.

Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 30, 2022, 01:56:51 AM
Hello
did you use the original files? How big are the magnets? I ordered 10x10mm and will print the shells.
Greeting
Lota
A similar project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEc4lw1TWV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEc4lw1TWV4)
Thanks Lota. Interesting vid. I have been reluctant to change the design of the bowl but now I've tested this https://youtu.be/d4sDhACaybA I think the next step is new bowls. My PMs are N35 and the same size as David's
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 30, 2022, 02:00:27 AM
One example for things which work in a linear arrangement, but not circular:

Take some batteries and connect them in series. You can get any voltage you want. You can also build some kind of 'electrostatic accelerator' which accelerates objects or particles (electrons) in the linear electric field. But you can not make a circular arrangement from this. Then you get a short circuit.
Thanks for sharing @skywatcher. I was trying to avoid this but there are too many failure points for a hubless wheel.
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on May 30, 2022, 12:55:20 PM
new bowl made but i think I'll need two for it to work. It fires the PM through ok but have not compared with the other bowls.
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on June 14, 2022, 05:41:23 AM
Still working on this and testing various configs. Lots of printing and sore fingers. With the PMs on the wheel this close it will freely move through both bowls. However because it is balanced equally between the bowls, in this config it has the same issues as say the HoJo . However this is just one config and there are a lot more to try.
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: citfta on June 14, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
Hi Jim,


Great workmanship as always from you.  Looks good.  Have you tried it with fewer arms.  I am thinking (dangerous thing to do) that the first arm needs to clear the second bowl before the second arm enters the first bowl.  I hope I  made that clear.


Take care,
Carroll
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on June 15, 2022, 12:37:37 AM
Thanks Carroll,
I've tried many combos and I've seen enough to know it has promise. STill more testing to do but I'd like to move on to using the 9.5mm pms as the shuttle now. I'll be starting with only two on the flywheel. I wanted to test the smaller PMs 15mm apart first. That itch is now scratched :)
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on June 15, 2022, 02:11:32 PM
I’m moving on from this to use the bigger pms https://youtu.be/hxg6gZRElW0 (https://youtu.be/hxg6gZRElW0)
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: truesearch on September 21, 2022, 01:53:52 AM
Jimboot,


Anything new in your experimenting with this?


~ truesearch
Title: Re: Primer field overunity device.
Post by: Jimboot on September 22, 2022, 12:04:26 AM
I have not had a chance been working on Holcomb devices. I have been mulling over some ideas thou that may help others working with gates.


I think they need to be unbalanced. The example of the pm in a tube going through the bowls I believe could only work if the tube was broken. Then connected once the pm was traveling. Having a balance setup does not work on the flywheel as their is no potential difference . I have had some interesting instance of the flywheel speed up though using an unbalanced setup.


Thanks for asking.