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Author Topic: Work done while recycling the energy.  (Read 1392 times)

Offline captainpecan

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Work done while recycling the energy.
« on: May 12, 2022, 10:12:06 PM »
This is a topic I have worked with for a very long time. It has been discussed many times in different ways on many forums. There are many variations of the same concept. I wanted a thread I can share my work in and discuss ways of doing this and increasing efficiencies.


This topic can cover anything from charging a battery with a power source such as a solar panel or power supply, while running a motor. To using theories like Ronald Brandts Tesla switch, where you hook batteries in series amd parallel to run a device while charging the batteries off of the potential differences. There are many sources online about these types of systems. Some very interesting, others total failures. This is just a thread to discuss it all and attempt to find the best ways to do it. It is very simply just trying to get more work out, while recycling energy. I will add more sources to explain things soon.

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2022, 04:51:05 AM »
I can't figure out how to wire my experiment.  Perhaps some advice.

I want to pulse DC alternating polarities via an ardiuno through 4-5 coils then collect it in a battery.  Then harvest the flux fields.

I can't get it to work right. I can only pulse 1 polarity DC and only by taking 1 lead from the H bridge and bypassing the FWBR and going straight to the negative terminal of the battery.

Will a single diode work? And allow me to alternate polarity on pulses?

Thanks

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2022, 05:20:16 AM »
Disregard my last post.  The first configuration works fine..  I just needed to raise the voltage by 3v to compensate for the voltage I am losing through the coils.  The battery won't pull a charge unless the voltage going in is greater than it's current voltage.. 

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2022, 06:46:26 PM »
I hooked up my experiment and got it working.

From what I see as of now- it would appear I can capture just about as much as I lost from the resistance of the wires in the coils.

As the ohms in the load increase, my capture amount decreases and my input decreases.

As the ohms in the load decrease, my capture increases and my input increases.

I am leaning towards the conclusion there is nothing to gain from here. Just hooking the coils in series with no load at the end is just as efficient if not more efficient when capturing from the flux created.  And in order for this to help with a motor-  I don't see it adding any help.  You would still have to be getting over cop 1 from the motor / generator to go overunity.

I am still going to play with it though..

Edit-  Not to mention- the input jumps up when capturing

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2022, 07:21:50 PM »
These experiments are really helping me understand how things work.

I conclude that the input raises when I capture because the capturing coils are exerting magnetism in opposite polarity as the direction of the current- thus hindering the flow of current. So to power the load, the power supply must spit more out.  It's basically lenz law without motion.

Without a doubt- to achieve overunity, we have to get generated current to flow in the same direction as input current.

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2022, 09:00:07 PM »
Hi Floodrod,


There are several things you can do to improve your system.  What you need to understand is the effect of the inductance of your coils.  The inductance affects the rise time of your current.  With a lot of inductance like the several coils you have the inductance will limit the current if the frequency of your pulses is too high.  Also the width of your pulses will affect the amount of current you can push through those coils to charge the battery.  If your pulse width is too short the current never has time to reach the full amount you could push to the battery.


Also as you have seen a regular lead acid battery will not take a charge unless the applied voltage is about 2 volts above the level of the battery voltage.


Another thing to consider is that if you were to connect a motor in your circuit instead of the coils you could use the motor to power a load and the higher the load the more current will be going to the battery.  I have worked with the same idea for many many hours.  On the old Energetic Forum there is an old thread called the 3BGS or three battery generating system.  You connect 2 batteries in series to give you high enough voltage to power a motor and charge a battery at the same time.  When the battery being charged gets to full voltage you swap it for the lowest reading battery of the two in series.  By continually swapping batteries you can recycle the power over and over again for a very long time.  And you can use the motor to power a  load or a generator and use that power to help keep your batteries charged.  But it takes a lot of time and tuning to get everything working just right.


Keep testing and trying new ideas.  You can learn more from your failures than from your successes.


Take care,
Carroll

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2022, 12:48:45 AM »
Sorry, have been working a ton of hours, just getting back to things. Citfta is exactly right. I have seen the same things. I also think a big key to getting more out of this concept is using those coils to get work out of them instead of pulling the field off of them to capture. Use that work from a motor to generate energy to pit back in the system. My way of thinking is that the energy is already going to transfer through the coil and into the battery. No need to try and pull that energy out so we can redirect back in. Let it transfer on its own, and use that magnetic field it generated to get work that generates more to add to it.. hope I explained that well enough. I found that using transformers did work and charged the battery, but it did make me pay for what I pulled out. But if I ran a motor instead, it kind of self regulates. When it draws more, it charges more, and vice versa but the work done appears to be where you get the benefit.


Another thing to keep in mind. You are only transferring the difference between the voltages of the two batteries. So the load only sees that amount. If you want to run a 12v load, you need to run 24v into 12v to do it properly. Also, it is easy to get mind twisted in connections. Here is the way I think of it... no matter what number of batteries you hook up, it can be boiled down to 2 battery packs hooked in parallel with one being a higher voltage. The load would go between the positives or between the negatives. The positive terminal on the load always faces the higher voltage side if in the positive line. That keeps you thinking things through properly. In other words. Think of a 24v battery dumping into a 12v battery hooked in parralel. You just instinctively know your 24v is 2 12v batteries hooked in series. But that gives you a positive wire and a negative wire as if it was a single 24v battery. I use 18650 lithium cells i recycled from old laptop batteries. And I use all sorts of different arrangements for different voltages and lithium does react a bit different than lead acid. But the point here, is that if you stay within this basic idea of layout, it eliminates most of the need to use a bridge or diodes to rectify it. It's already only going to go one way. It eliminates the voltage drops of the diodes as well this way.


Please don't get me wrong. I think transformers should be ran in this manor to increase our ability of recycling the energy over sending it to ground. So much needs experented with. I just found that trying to collapse that field across the transformer seemed to take away from what made it through to the charge battery. So nothing significant to me there. From my experience anyway... but maybe of there was more space between 2 coils, and a magnet between them. Oscillating a coil amd catching the energy on the back end. That oscillation will vibrate that magnet and give the push like a motor does, but in this case the other side of it will generate in the 2nd coil that you can then rectify amd add to the charge battery... so instead of building up a field in the core and pulling it down across the other coil, we are building up the field in the coil, that pushes a magnet, then just finishes its way to the charge battery. Then that magnet generates an entire different pulse in the other coil we then capture also... possible gain???  Don't know. Haven't tried it yet. Sounds worth a try though.

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2022, 02:03:50 AM »
Perhaps we are seeing different perspectives.  My setup is very efficient.  To see something more efficient would be to practically see unity or overunity.

On one of my best pulse rates- I saw 6.13 watts input. and 5.54 watts output. a 90.4% efficiency. I did it with 2 motors as loads. As soon as I add resistance to a motor shaft, input voltage raises.

To go overunity- we would have to use those motors to generate more than 5.54 watts without putting resistance on the motors which would raise input.

Some of the videos I watched on youtube were deceiving.  They were claiming to get that output wattage + motor rotation.  They did not recognize that output wattage they were getting was making the motor rotate.


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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2022, 03:28:24 AM »
Yeah, I may be reading something wrong. I'll read over ot a few more times. I didn't see where you were running it with motors instead of transformers. How are you doing your measurements and where are you hooking meters to?
You mention it is 90% efficient. That is good, nothing to sneeze at there. But I guess what I am missing is that you seem to be saying a load on the motor increases input watts, which is understandable. But you are not saying of you are seeing an increase in output wattage as well. Because I do see that. In my prior tests, a load increased input AND output because more energy entered the system to run the load. So we do not need to generate the entire wattage from the motor. We only need to generate a higher voltage than the charge battery for anything to land in it, but only the wattage difference from input to output. You are showing only 10% loss, so I would assume more input from a load you would also lose 10% of that as well. But then the motor would only have to compensate for the lost 10% overall to go OU. At least that is the theory.

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2022, 03:43:50 AM »
Some of the videos I watched on youtube were deceiving.  They were claiming to get that output wattage + motor rotation.  They did not recognize that output wattage they were getting was making the motor rotate.
I'm not understanding what you are saying here. Depending on the measurement methods of course, the output wattage should be what is recycled in the system, and yes it did make the motor rotate but you captured that amount minus the losses to use again. The motor rotation should be the bonus basically. It's what you do with that that is the most important after you recycled as much as possible. Also do not forget, batteries of course will rest, and in some cases we may lose the majority of what we thought we captured because it didn't hold. All parts of the equation to consider.

Oh, and you are very correct, there is a lot of deceiving stuff out there on this subject. Bench work is where the knowledge is.

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2022, 05:33:56 AM »
This might help. https://youtu.be/H2bi0h8vRwo
Also the guy has some pretty interesting stuff on his channel.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Work done while recycling the energy.
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2022, 06:14:02 AM »
This might help. https://youtu.be/H2bi0h8vRwo
Also the guy has some pretty interesting stuff on his channel.
That's a new one to me. Thanks for sharing this.

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