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Title: How HHO works
Post by: db4uf on May 11, 2022, 04:15:43 AM
I have read a lot about the properties of HHO over the years.  I would like to know how you think HHO works.  I find this a very fascinating topic, and with all the expertise on this site I am sure to learn a great deal!

Dave,
Title: Re: How HHO works
Post by: db4uf on May 13, 2022, 02:35:08 PM
HHO properties that I have read of:
1. Gas will implode if it is only HHO.
2. Gas will explode if combined with air.
3. Flame will exhibit different behavior depending on what it is applied to.
4. Flame will burn a hole in a wood board without burning the surrounding material.
5. You can fuse dissimilar materials together ie glass to steel.
6. you can weld with this flame.
7. Flame can cut through a brick or steel.
8. You can cut a steel bar while holding it with a bare hand six inches away from the cut.
9. it will cut a hole in a stainless steel pot full of water.

This is what I remember reading about.  If you know of others please post them.

Dave,
Title: Re: How HHO works
Post by: db4uf on May 19, 2022, 02:34:57 PM
When HHO is ignited in its pure form.  It produces no energy leading me to believe it must only contain single hydrogen and oxygen atoms.  If it was H2 and or O2 those molecules would have to expand or explode before it could form H2O, basically rocket fuel.  So when atmospheric air is added to the HHO and ignited, we get an explosion.  This would indicate that the atmospheric air would then be the fuel for this explosion!  We have E=MC^2 and the explosive energy E is equal to some of the mass M (atmospheric air) that was added to the HHO.  So this appears to be a conversion of mass to energy.  What do you think?

Dave,
Title: Re: How HHO works
Post by: sm0ky2 on May 19, 2022, 03:31:15 PM
Be extremely careful if you intend to experiment on your own.
This gas is volatile and dangerous, especially under pressure
or in sealed containers.


H2 and O2 in stoichiometric proportions will burn freely in or out of air,
 and explode violently when ignited in a sealed container.
(which makes it useful).


HHO (or brown’s gas) is an electrolyzed water still in its’ ionic state.
It cannot be stored for very long as it will revert to H2 and O2 rather quickly.
and is generally held in a tank only long enough to be used as it is generated.
This tank should be electrically insulated and off the ground. And never touch it
as a single electrical spark could send you and your project flying in a horrible explosion.
an acrylic plastic or glass tank may be more suitable in modern times.
The tank must be de-ionized and evacuated.
The fire-arrestor in your gas lines must be made of an ionically inert substance,
and inert rubber (medical grade) fuel lines and connectors.


The gas when ignited at atmospheric pressure, will burn at around 10k F
i have no available data on explosive compression compared to H2-O2 explosives,
(it may be classified)


I can tell you that it Does indeed implode
for a fraction of a microsecond.
Just before the explosion.


More testing is needed but this indicates that the phase change from its’ ionic form
happens much more quickly, and may even occur before the release of energy.


Importantly to note when you are welding:
live water vapor is in the flames, and will drip all over your work.
This can also cause contraction cracks in some metals.







Title: Re: How HHO works
Post by: sm0ky2 on May 19, 2022, 03:42:49 PM
There has been a lot of mythology around it, mostly because it was a Welder’s trade secret
and its’ secrecy around the technological use in weaponry.


These myths have led to the term “ Brown’s Gas my Ass!”
coined by welders that did not understand the science of using it,
and thus failed at creating, storing, or using the gas without instigating
an ionic reversion into molecular H2-O2.


Title: Re: How HHO works
Post by: sm0ky2 on May 19, 2022, 07:25:28 PM
Want to have some fun with it:
Create a plastic “air cannon”, but seal off the back
instead of a flexible membrane.


Let your HHO vent into the cannon and spark it with a piezo.