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Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2022, 04:04:48 PM »

What is your opinion about the device, which is described in the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYb5OkV6_Yo

Hello Question,

The "Device" on the video is very interesting, in my opinion,

Analyzing the attempt on the video to point out the differences between circuit #1 & #2...and to anyone "skilled in the Arts"...would've noticed the lowest illuminated circuit black box have a small "tuning" knob, dialed to the Minimal settings (like most potentiometers work, turning left will dim...turning right will decrease resistance, hence more illumination)...while the circuit with full brightness do not have a knob...(it could have been set to "Max Power" internally.

And so, the Mid Bulbs trying to give Us the justification (without meters) that both Sources are identical...and are not "tricked" by using bulbs being of higher and lower resistance on their filaments) which would compensate for equal brightness...

Supposedly (since we can not see any meters, showing V&A [Power,Watts] Parameters) we then have to assume they are playing truthfully, and supplying exactly the same amounts of power to both circuits...right?

However, like I wrote before...supposing all Inputs are identical...anyone skilled in the Arts, can "interpret" and "debunk" this "supposed phenomena" easily...as any "booster" small circuit, tuned properly, can increase the frequency of the currents, brighting the light bulbs more than the 12V Power Source would.

As also the Circuit #2 could also be "extra powered" by a very small Lithium Iron/Fe/Boron Battery...or even Small Super caps...with the properly electronic. well designed and "Elegant" circuit...

What I am trying to say...is that there are many ways to trick this simple video...just to hit views, just to gain attention...like there are sooo many videos showing so wonderful fantasies in You Tube...and they are all fake!!

No, our initial intention was not to advance a bank account. On the contrary!
But the situation has changed dramatically. We (our team) still remember how George 1 was severely discredited and defamed a few months ago here in this forum. George 1 is a good friend of mine and a member of our team. Besides George 1 is a very sensitive man who was deeply hurt and insulted by the malicious and arrogant behaviour of some members of this forum.
So we (our team) decided to change our approach. We will not reveal anything anymore. We are already solely and only sellers. The black box never-needing-recharging battery (that belongs to the "upper" circuit 2) is for sale.
Please excuse me, ramset/Chet K. You are obviously an honest man of good will. But as if most humans are still at a lower stage of mental development and cannot extract from their minds hate, malice and envy. So they deserve to pay energy bills and be economic slaves of the global energy mafia. (The latter being one of George 1's favourite words. :) )

Now, after reading your further posts, I realized that you are not just a "Newbie" with just five posts...interested in knowing opinions "randomly" about something that is also intriguing him...or her...and listening to some people who could be enlightening to him/her.

So, nope, that was not the case...You are part of the Team making this device and trying to sell it here...and btw, Ireally feel sorry by what happened to George 1...

I particularly hate whenever I get intruders, posting whatever B.S and trying to discredit or whatever ways to minimize what you are showing, revealing, disclosing...or simply, posting non related B.S...

That is the reason WHY, I would NOT disclose "nada", nothing, unless I previously had chosen and approved (by Administrator of the Site) to build my own Thread and Sub-Threads, where I would be the Moderator, and a big PERIOD after that!!

Then I would be able to ERASE, BAN, DELETE at my simple CHOICE, and "at large" whoever I am pleased to...So, I will be the EXTERMINATOR of these Plagues!!

So, let me say that You guys may have not handled properly your previous Disclosure here...and leaving doors open to ALL kind of Rats, and all type of PESTS, that, unfortunately...crowd Public Places like this that have a very good intention, are full of...some are just "paid Shills"...doing their job...while others are just plain and simple A$$ holes.

But getting back to Your Device...and granting that ALL IS REAL, not faked, not a "trick"...but You Guys just found out that by (maybe) adding layers of some alloys, could bring Us this phenomena...just like Arie De Geus Infinite Battery did a few years back...

Btw, De Geus did not have a "happy ending"...and He Patented his invention (Read the Articles below...You may not have heard of him)...

So, You guys found it...and so, what do we do with a small black box, that whenever opened we see a bunch of layers of weird materials...and some small wires coming off from it?

Take it to a Lab?, paying very high $um$ of money to decode all materials involved, all atomic and molecular bonds?

My counseling is...(If You are not trying to fill up your Bank Accounts, like you have said above)...then expose it properly, in a Moderated Thread...sell a book on details of "How to Build it"...
as also selling "samples"...you will raise some funds to  expand your research.

Sorry for the long post...it was just my opinion and my two copper pennies.


Regards


Ufopolitics


ARIE DE GEUS, INVENTOR OF THE INFINITE BATTERY

Offline ramset

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2022, 07:16:12 PM »
UFO
This fellow George burned through genuine helpers
And cried wolf ( 100’s of times …. Millions of words …


That being said
Yes sharing an experiment ( for clarity..I am recalling now tons of “ math proof” in handwritten
Snapshots..from George ( dozens of repetitious posts daily for …a year or more ?
Fighting with napkin math as “proof”


Now there is a build ( posted in this topic )
Perhaps a builders board with claims and replications ?


 Here I shared this recently in another thread ( old news at this and other forums from years back
http://www.lovellpatentedtechnology.com/monothermal/what_is_monothermal.html


Another researcher had sent me a question few days ago on lovell
And was there ever a replication?

BTW
Yes Arie
A brilliant man looking to sell his work….Peter at Overunity research translated many of his patents.


Open source ( in some way …?
We need it 100 years ago !!
Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2022, 10:02:16 PM »
I see nothing to get excited about.  different brightness bulbs do not prove anything, and is no proof of breaking laws of physics. Also, this could easily be faked by using different voltage light bulbs. If it were over-unity, they should be able to close the loop and get it to power itself.
I agree

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What is your opinion about the device, which is described in the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYb5OkV6_Yo
there are two different devices and concepts when compared to :
https://patents-google-com.translate.goog/patent/US7379286?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=ru&_x_tr_hl=ru

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THE ANSWER IS WHICH ONE HAS MORE ENERGY WITH RESPECT TO TIME.
It is known that electromagnetic waves with a high frequency possess a greater amount of energy than waves with lower frequencies ,but not signals in the wire,
why-do-high-frequency-waves-have-high-energy
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Quote from: Question on May 08, 2022, 03:26:23 PMWhat is your opinion about the device, which is described in the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYb5OkV6_Yo

The "Device" on the video is very interesting, in my opinion,
Sorry do disappoint you.
It is not until................ it is proven  opposite.
Example:
In Film  Industry all LED lamps are made based on pulsing pixels ( pixel=single LED)
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/LED-Light-Sources/ci/12248
https://www.ledsfilm.com/led-lighting-the-advantages-for-filmmaking/_____________________
Radar can operate on MW and GW power impulses long ms or ns or ps  or fs having power supply made from "single pack of 12V battery."

Always energy delivered to the system is grater than energy at output of the system.
There is no exclusion from that rule.

However:
-if that energy is used to power the motor  opening valve on the water pipe connected to the River
than you have Free Energy as River flow pays for that water energy.
Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2022, 12:26:14 PM »
No high-frequency electromagnetic waves, no LED-lamps, no tricks. Read carefully the explanatory text in the video.
We will not try to convince anybody in anything.
The black box is for sale.


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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2022, 01:17:51 PM »
No high-frequency electromagnetic waves, no LED-lamps, no tricks. Read carefully the explanatory text in the video.
We will not try to convince anybody in anything.
I agree with you that:
-no LED-lamps,
-no tricks
 if we dealing with unintended "trick" where author of it believes that it is not a trick
Definition:

trick [trɪk]NOUN a cunning act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone
https://www.lexico.com/definition/trick


Explanation:
if brightness of the light source is a result of PWM
https://www.kompulsa.com/introduction-pwm-pulse-width-modulation-works/
and tools for energy in / out measurement  are your own eyes, than  light at OUTput (output) might be brighter than light connected at  INput  ( input)
 or:
 if without any PWM the  two lightbulbs at the OUTput are Tungsten based resistors connected
in parallel than light intensity will increase twice .
The black box is for sale.
Oh good. It'll make some money for the  guy, before it is measured, and some more money before is eventually rejected.
The primary question is:
if we assume for reason of the  thought experiment that there is the gain there than
what that energy comes from?
https://www.bing.com/ck/

1 Law of Newton/thermodynamics:
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
https://www.bing.com
Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2022, 02:02:10 PM »
The pulse duration modulation has nothing to do with the business. It is used only to regulate/control the brightness of the lamps without losses.
If we remove the pulse duration modulation system, then the eight lamps will behave just in the same manner. That is, all four lamps of the "lower" circuit 1 and the two left lamps of the "upper" circuit 2 will glow again with the same brightness while the two right lamps of the "upper" circuit 2 will glow again much brighter. Read carefully the explanatory text in our video.
The black box is for sale.

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2022, 02:14:41 PM »
And even more clearly. (For those who are not illiterate.)
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1) Have a look again at our video. The configuration is as follows:
12 V rectifier => two left lamps => black box => two right lamps.
2) The black box is an eternal and never-dying battery, which never needs re-charging and which is connected in parallel to the rectifier.
3) The black box makes the two right bulbs glow much brighter than the two left bulbs.
4) If we replace the black box with a standard battery, then this standard battery must be periodically re-charged or replaced (with new one) in order to keep bigger the brightness of the two right bulbs.
5) The black box eternal and never-dying (forever-lasting, never-needing-recharging, etc.) battery is for sale.

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2022, 02:27:33 PM »
The pulse duration modulation has nothing to do with the business. It is used only to regulate/control the brightness of the lamps without losses.
If we remove the pulse duration modulation system, then the eight lamps will behave just in the same manner. That is, all four lamps of the "lower" circuit 1 and the two left lamps of the "upper" circuit 2 will glow again with the same brightness while the two right lamps of the "upper" circuit 2 will glow again much brighter. Read carefully the explanatory text in our video.
The black box is for sale.


It doesn't count,
it doesn't matter
and is not important to the audience, 
how much you try to defend a product or your own
money making system.
I wish you success in selling shit or gold I don't care my friend.


Physicist doesn't care much what is inside of a Black box
Every  illusionist knows his tricks.
For physicist your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
or
For physicist looking at your "working" device presentation - your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
unless one or at best  two factors are explained, checked, known and  independently verified.
1. what additional energy at output of the device comes from ( originates)
2. precise measurement done independently by credible  entity or  reported by number of
    happy clients recognized by community (recognized -  involved crowd)

-if that didn't happened you are still in your fantasy world my friend.

You may produce video  showing light  energy calculation, measurement,vs energy consumed ,
including equipment used to  perform it.( at best  with calibration stickers on it)
that helps to some point to promote your sale,
But if it than is rejected by measurement made by others than from position of
 uneducated fool, or just a dreamer  there is only transition to rejection and accusation in your address.

Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2022, 03:18:10 PM »
stivep, you are not reading my posts at all.
I am sending again the text of my last post especially for you.
==========================
BEGINNING OF THE TEXT
==========================
1) Have a look again at our video. The configuration is as follows:
12 V rectifier => two left lamps => black box => two right lamps.
2) The black box is an eternal and never-dying battery, which never needs re-charging and which is connected in parallel to the rectifier.
3) The black box makes the two right bulbs glow much brighter than the two left bulbs.
4) If we replace the black box with a standard battery, then this standard battery must be periodically re-charged or replaced (with new one) in order to keep bigger the brightness of the two right bulbs.
5) The black box eternal and never-dying (forever-lasting, never-needing-recharging, etc.) battery is for sale.
===========================
END OF THE TEXT
===========================
Simply carry out the experiment described in item 4 on your kitchen table. Where is here the trick? Where is here the illusion? Where is here the cheat? What are you talking about?

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2022, 03:31:37 PM »
stivep, prepare the money and I will send you the black box never-needing-recharging battery. :)
. :)
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You have full rights of  being innocently right or wrong
as long as you don't deal with other people money.

once somebody put money in you,
invests in the idea,
supports you in any way and gets disappointed
you are really becoming a "negative value"

______________________________________________________
it was a time when I was trying to say that humanity, give them Free Energy,
and all of it for free. I've got very much disappointed with the outcome.
People don't care.
they don't respect free although they want everything for free or for less.

Example:

I gave them perfectly working technology, very much explained but not in 100%,so say 97%.
It is backed  with science, facts, the practical experience, practical tests, theory, calculations, experiments,
they don't want to do it, unless it is in the form of the device ready to be purchased with an instruction manual.

So screw them all said Dr Hans  my friend and partner.
we both are interested in science, and science only, we are not manufacturers traders nor in needs to become one.

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But you have no money as you are simply a poor hater

Another mistake that you made here on this forum
In the purchase value of just the electron microscopes in two labs the is over $1 million,
-in their actual value much less
but of course it doesn't include the value of the labs and equipment in it.
___________________________________________
you bumped into the group of thinkers :
it is me
Dr. Roy
and Dr. Hans
if you need it then give me some time and I post here some links to  let you  verify it by yourself,

Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2022, 03:35:02 PM »
Ok, ok I am sorry.
But stivep, you are not reading my posts at all.
I am sending again the text of my last post especially for you.
==========================
BEGINNING OF THE TEXT
==========================
1) Have a look again at our video. The configuration is as follows:
12 V rectifier => two left lamps => black box => two right lamps.
2) The black box is an eternal and never-dying battery, which never needs re-charging and which is connected in parallel to the rectifier.
3) The black box makes the two right bulbs glow much brighter than the two left bulbs.
4) If we replace the black box with a standard battery, then this standard battery must be periodically re-charged or replaced (with new one) in order to keep bigger the brightness of the two right bulbs.
5) The black box eternal and never-dying (forever-lasting, never-needing-recharging, etc.) battery is for sale.
===========================
END OF THE TEXT
===========================
Simply carry out the experiment described in item 4 on your kitchen table. Where is here the trick? Where is here the illusion? Where is here the cheat? What are you talking about?

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2022, 03:44:02 PM »
[,, wait

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2022, 03:47:10 PM »
stivep, simply carry out the experiment described in item 4 on your kitchen table. The configuration is as follows:
12 V rectifier => 2 left lamps => 12 V standard battery => 2 right lamps
The 12 V rectifier and the 12 V standard battery are connected in parallel.
The 2 right lamps glow much brighter than the 2 left lamps.
But after a certain period of time (several hours) the 2 right lamps and the 2 left lamps are glowing already with the same brightness and you have to re-charge the battery or replace it with a new one.
Simply repeat the above described simple experiment. Use another voltage if you like and whatever bulbs you want. (But all four bulbs must be identical.)

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2022, 03:53:33 PM »
I don't care that is not a proof of any kind, whatsoever.

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The primary question is:
if we assume for reason of the thought experiment that there is the gain there than
what that energy comes from?
https://www.bing.com/ck/
1 Law of Newton/thermodynamics:
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
https://www.bing.com


answer the question if you can.
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Physicist doesn't care much what is inside of a Black box
Every  illusionist knows his tricks.
For physicist your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
or
For physicist looking at your "working" device presentation - your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
unless one or at best  two factors are explained, checked, known and  independently verified.
1. what additional energy at output of the device comes from ( originates)
2. precise measurement done independently by credible  entity or  reported by number of
    happy clients recognized by community (recognized -  involved crowd)

-if that didn't happened you are still in your fantasy world my friend.

You may produce video  showing light  energy calculation, measurement,vs energy consumed ,
including equipment used to  perform it.( at best  with calibration stickers on it)

that helps to some point to promote your sale,
But if it than is rejected by measurement made by others than from position of
 uneducated fool, or just a dreamer  there is only transition to rejection and accusation in your address.

Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2022, 04:03:05 PM »
stiveup, stop beating about the bush and simply repeat our REAL (NOT THOUGHT!) experiment on your kitchen table. And report your experimental results here in this forum.