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Author Topic: Interesting machine  (Read 2875 times)

Offline stivep

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2022, 03:53:33 PM »
I don't care that is not a proof of any kind, whatsoever.

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The primary question is:
if we assume for reason of the thought experiment that there is the gain there than
what that energy comes from?
https://www.bing.com/ck/
1 Law of Newton/thermodynamics:
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
https://www.bing.com


answer the question if you can.
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Physicist doesn't care much what is inside of a Black box
Every  illusionist knows his tricks.
For physicist your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
or
For physicist looking at your "working" device presentation - your device "doesn't work" (= is not conformed)
unless one or at best  two factors are explained, checked, known and  independently verified.
1. what additional energy at output of the device comes from ( originates)
2. precise measurement done independently by credible  entity or  reported by number of
    happy clients recognized by community (recognized -  involved crowd)

-if that didn't happened you are still in your fantasy world my friend.

You may produce video  showing light  energy calculation, measurement,vs energy consumed ,
including equipment used to  perform it.( at best  with calibration stickers on it)

that helps to some point to promote your sale,
But if it than is rejected by measurement made by others than from position of
 uneducated fool, or just a dreamer  there is only transition to rejection and accusation in your address.

Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2022, 04:03:05 PM »
stiveup, stop beating about the bush and simply repeat our REAL (NOT THOUGHT!) experiment on your kitchen table. And report your experimental results here in this forum. 

Offline stivep

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2022, 04:44:24 PM »
stivep, stop beating about the bush
I didn't know that you are from UK area.
beat about the bush
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To speak vaguely or euphemistically so as to avoid talking directly about an unpleasant or sensitive topic. Primarily heard in UK.
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You didn't respond to the question.

The primary question is:
if we assume for reason of the thought experiment that there is the gain there than
what that energy comes from?
https://www.bing.com/ck/
1 Law of Newton/thermodynamics:
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
https://www.bing.com


answer the question if you can.
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and simply repeat our REAL (NOT THOUGHT!) experiment on your kitchen table.
And report your experimental results here in this forum.
Start to understand one thing.
I am paying to my guys to do the job.I'm doing the experiment if am convinced that it makes us to benefit from it


It is Saturday, and I am spending my time to help you, not to criticize everybody around who disagree with your opinion.
I'm not convinced to go to my lab, not even to test your idea on the equipment I have (-run me} in the office lab.
there is why  I suggested thought experiment backed with your answer to the question, in hope that I'm going to become more convinced. But you didn't provide the answer for a simple question
What the energy in your device making light bulbs to manifest more energy at the output comes from?
that cannot be more easy question for you to answer.

Wesley

Offline stivep

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2022, 05:01:31 PM »
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561594/#msg561594 
here you can see my electron microscopes  I was talking about in my previous post

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/183922/image//
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/183923/image//
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here is my office lab with(-run me}equipment around
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg562296/#msg562296

and the pictures with explanation of the device giving you free energy for free
from from a Schumann waveguide,
These devices were free technologies for free and explanations were free ,
similarity between us is that:
you're trying to promote your device for sale.
I don't so I don't promote but nobody wants to build it either,

-for me your device is not a fake yet because it wasn't proved that fake and you are not yet officially a fake maker.
-my device  cannot become a fake because nobody misleads or makes money on it, So I'll never become a faker.

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 and this is me in lab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNxob3yY4LE
https://youtu.be/izzujmKROWI?t=88
https://youtu.be/GdlkeI0bXy4

Wesley

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2022, 01:21:35 PM »
Well, it's obvious that I'll have to teach some members of this forum a basic electric engineering lesson. (And more precisely, several lessons.)
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LESSON 1.
1) Four identical bulbs are connected in series to a standard 12 V rectifier thus forming a circuit.
2) These four identical bulbs are bulb 1, bulb 2, bulb 3 and bulb 4, respectively.
3) Bulb 1 is connected immediately after the plus (+) terminal of the rectifier and bulb 4 is connected immediately after the minus (-) terminal of the rectifier. (Bulb 1 and bulb 4 correspond to the two left bulbs in our video and bulb 2 and bulb 3 correspond to the two right bulbs in our video.)
4) The circuit is closed and a direct current flows through the bulbs. All four bulbs glow with the same brightness.
5) Let us use in addition a standard pulse duration modulation system (of constant frequency of 50 Hz for example), which generates 50 identical rectangular current pulses 50 times per second. In this case all four bulbs glow again with the same (but smaller) brightness. The four bulbs are dimmer.
6) The above simple experiment has been carried out hundreds (and may be thousands) of times in our laboratories. You can also repeat this simple experiment even on your kitchen table.
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Learn well LESSON 1 and then we will proceed further with LESSON 2.
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P. S. Wesley/stivep, I am watching now your videos. You seem to be a smart and serious man. (Hope this face is yours.:)) Why don't you join our team?:) 
   

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2022, 01:35:02 PM »
Hope you have learnt well LESSON 1.
Let us now proceed further with our short educational course in basic electric engineering.
Let us now proceed with LESSON 2.
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LESSON 2.
1) A standard 12 V battery is connected in parallel to the 12 V rectifier.
2) The battery is situated between the two left bulbs (bulb 1 and bulb 4) and the two right bulbs (bulb 2 and bulb 3). In other words, the position of the battery corresponds to the position of the black box of the "upper" circuit 2 in our video.
3) The 12 V standard battery makes the two right bulbs (bulb 2 and bulb 3) glow much brighter than the two left bulbs (bulb 1 and bulb 4).
4) After a certain period of time (several hours of uninterrupted work) however the battery goes dead (is discharged) and all four bulbs glow again with the same brightness. (Please refer to previous LESSON 1.)
5) In order to make again the two right bulbs (bulb 2 and bulb 3) glow much brighter than the two left bulbs (bulb 1 and bulb 4) you have either to re-charge the battery or replace it with a new one.
6) The above simple experiment has been carried out hundreds (and may be thousands) of times in our laboratories. You can also repeat this simple experiment even on your kitchen table.
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Learn well LESSON 2 and revise LESSON 1.
And after that we will proceed further with LESSON 3.

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2022, 06:55:45 PM »
And even more clearly. (For those who are not illiterate.)
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1) Have a look again at our video. The configuration is as follows:
12 V rectifier => two left lamps => black box => two right lamps.
2) The black box is an eternal and never-dying battery, which never needs re-charging and which is connected in parallel to the rectifier.
3) The black box makes the two right bulbs glow much brighter than the two left bulbs.
4) If we replace the black box with a standard battery, then this standard battery must be periodically re-charged or replaced (with new one) in order to keep bigger the brightness of the two right bulbs.
5) The black box eternal and never-dying (forever-lasting, never-needing-recharging, etc.) battery is for sale.

If it is a 'never-dying battery' why does it require external power ?

'The box is for sale'
Sorry, but i don't think anybody will buy your box, based on what can be seen in your video. It proves absolutely nothing. If you want to sell anything, i would propose you build at least 10 of these boxes, and give them to trustworthy people for testing. People who are well-known, like Stefan (the admin of this forum), for example. If they confirm that it works, you will get more orders for your box than you could deliver.

What is the price of your box ?
You could also send it to me, and i will test it. If it works, i will pay you double the price. If it doesn't work, i will send it back and you will get nothing.

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2022, 11:30:42 AM »
Do you remember it?  ;)

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2022, 12:21:52 PM »
Hope you have learnt well LESSON 1 and LESSON 2.
Let us now proceed further with last LESSON 3.
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LESSON 3.
1) The standard 12 V battery is replaced with a black box and this is actually the "upper" circuit 2 in our video.
2) The black box of the upper circuit 2 is a forever-lasting battery, (a) which never needs re-charging and (b) which makes the two right bulbs (bulb 2 and bulb 3) glow much brighter than the two left bulbs (bulb 1 and bulb 4) for a practically infinite period of time.
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Learn well lessons 1, 2 and 3 and just after that try to start any discussion. Hope all we here in this forum are searching honestly for the truth.:)

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2022, 12:31:03 PM »
To skywatcher.
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Firstly, learn very, very well lessons 1, 2 and 3. This is an extremely important requirement for the proper understanding of what really happens. (Because it is more than evident that you have not even looked at these three lessons.)
And secondly, what is the price for which you are willing to buy the black box?:) 

Offline stivep

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2022, 01:16:09 PM »
To skywatcher.
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Firstly, learn very, very well lessons 1, 2 and 3. This is an extremely important requirement for the proper understanding of what really happens. (Because it is more than evident that you have not even looked at these three lessons.)
And secondly, what is the price for which you are willing to buy the black box? :)
You decided to act as a preacher.
I thought  we can have intelligent discussion.
You  however ignored answer to the question ,as if it was never given to you  twice.

I didn't know that you are from UK area.
beat about the bush
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To speak vaguely or euphemistically so as to avoid talking directly about an unpleasant or sensitive topic. Primarily heard in UK.
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You didn't respond to the question.

The primary question is:
if we assume for reason of the thought experiment that there is the gain there than
what that energy comes from?
https://www.bing.com/ck/
1 Law of Newton/thermodynamics:
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
another link is here: https://overunity.com/19110/interesting-machine/msg566964/#msg566964

It usually works in this forum  like this:
If a user  intentionally  promotes commercial aspect of the device on sale  ignoring
to respond to the questions  of community members than:
I may start to act as a moderator
or
another moderator may be involved
or
Admin may decide to act.
please provide the answer to the question .
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Wesley
get involved.


Offline stivep

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2022, 01:28:07 PM »
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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2022, 02:14:16 PM »
Hi Wesley/stivep,
Please do not be angry, my friend.:)
I am withdrawing my proposal for selling here in this forum especially for you.:)
I am stopping immediately promoting the commercial aspect of the device here in this forum especially for you.:)
But how to make 1,000,000 black boxes for example (where to get the money from?) and give them freely to the poor thus saving the world from the coming energy catastrophe?
What is your answer?
Regards,
Question
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P. S. And let me again ask my previous question: Would you like to become a member of our team?:)
 

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2022, 04:18:52 PM »
But how to make 1,000,000 black boxes for example (where to get the money from?) and give them freely to the poor thus saving the world from the coming energy catastrophe?
I know how. Tell me what's inside, I make it for myself, and I can still make another one for my neighbor. :)
And so far I haven't been able to do anything.

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Interesting machine
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2022, 04:50:44 PM »
Hmm, let's just go back to the thread tittle electric cars, Tesla didn't have any large capacity battery.

The other thing is petrol is taxed to high heaven in Eu, so if you charge your EC at home how does the tax man
rip off the tax ? what's hidden for any one with an Electric car ?

Sil