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Author Topic: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.  (Read 4065 times)

Offline TommeyReed

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2022, 05:19:38 PM »
Hello All,

This is the second attempt to to start this gas to diesel engine conversion, will it run?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2SN-21xF38

Tom

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2022, 06:23:50 PM »
Congratulations!   YOU DID IT!!  :D   ;)

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2022, 06:49:52 PM »
Hi All,

Another test run on this gas to diesel engine conversion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4bCg_JBqz0

Tom

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2022, 12:46:20 AM »
Hello All,

 I'm in Florida for about a month. I will continue my builds when I get back.

I hope we all can work together to solve these high gasoline and diesel prices, we all need to realize we need to work as a team if we are going to change the future.

Tom




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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2022, 02:01:31 PM »
Hello All,

Just a updated on my series and build.

I am still in Florida working, looks like another month I'll be down here for extra income.

My plan when I get back is to build a full version of a working Clem engine with a 30kw generator connected to it.

I do have other plans also, but this is many years of hard work that needs to have a finished running engine.

"Until you prove a theory, you have nothing but dreams"
 
Tommey Reed

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 09:44:41 AM »
Hi Tommey
Have you worked out where the "free energy" comes from and what provisions are necessary to utilize it?

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2022, 01:42:15 AM »
Hello Aussiebattler,

The Clem engine was a liquid diesel(cooking oil) turbine engine.

The cooking oil was being used for hydraulics rim jets and also as the fuel where it had a combustion cavitation chamber that was connected to a gear pump.

Just like a jet engine where the air is squeezed in the combustion chamber and fuel is added to cause a expansion of pressure from combustion.

The fluid is moved into a chamber where a upper cavity chamber is super heated due to the pressure, when some of the fluid is vaporized in the chamber combustion with micro cavitation bubbles take place.

The higher pressure is used to power the rim jets about 2000 psi and keeps the engine running  as a super efficient liquid pump.

The Clem engine is said to run at a very high temperature and needed a heat exchanger, this is due to hydraulic pressure from the pump.

The Clem engine was not free energy but a engine that was using cooking oil to run.

Tom
 

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2022, 03:36:24 AM »
I realise that this explanation has many supporters but has anybody yet make it work that way?
Do you really think that Clem had the knowladge to apply that sought of science?
I was under the impression that no oil was used by Clem on his journey and that it was only needed to be changed after months of use.
I also believe that the high pressure and temperature only applies at the nozzle inlets. 
Nevertheless I hope it works out for you
Cheers
AB

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2022, 01:43:00 PM »
Hello,

Aussiebattler You're correct.

The facts are nobody really knows how it was built, in 1972 he could have used a Bitumen asphalt pump. The few photos with chain drive does show hydraulic pumps are being used.

The problem I have with a cone shape pump is the thrust bearing on it at high pressure, this will cause a piston effects as the pressure increase moving it away from the cone housing. Cooking oil rim jets mixing with air will cause the oil to increase in viscosity when it cools. I had this problem many times running cooking oil turning to a grease.

Tom

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2022, 09:05:24 PM »
Hi Tommey,
I engineered it in this way:

I used following concept, it is a very old concept you even could buy in the 70s. There was a plastic rocket which you filled up with a little bit of water and than you pumped it up.
Without the water the rocket did not lift...but with the little bit of water it was shot to the sky.
Same effect using a empty water hose at your house...you open the focet of the empty pipe only a little bit and at the end of the hose the water comes out as a explosion.

Translatet to a wheel with small, round, conic water channels you need allways to inject water-air-water-air.
By turning the wheel water presses the air and the air presses the water out of the jets.
Important is that the channels should be small in diameter, starting about 8mm diameter going to 4mm diameter.

My engine using a timing of two injections at same time, at 12 o´clok and 6 o´clock.
So only in this position the channels are getting water in.
With an adjustable timing I could adjust more or less water injection.
Air is added by special drilled holes at the center of the wheel. holes work as a walve without need to close the holes.
Centrifugal force of the wheel will manage that no oil comes out of the air holes.
My system should run by itself at a  speed of about 1900rpm.
I will take some pictures of the device which had been professional built by a construction company.
My device had some issues as square not conic channels, so it was only one time running super shortly by itself and even did not work by trying to get it running again.
extremly complicated to adjust air, water, RPM, Waterpressure. And important to use oil instead of water. I run it on a nice place...so was not possible to use oil...

You only need to watch the time when it was engineered, it was the rocket time and even at scool they teached the water rocket effect..and you could buy the rockets as children toys.

I am very sure that this simple construction should work, but it will be not a easy job as only a single parameter needs to be wrong.

We should need a hydraulic engineer to prevent mistakes... :o

my thougts....when you make a combustion before the liquid is entering the channels it could not create the pressure which is neccessary at the jets and it could not selfrunning...

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2022, 05:48:43 AM »
Hello,

Aussiebattler You're correct.

The facts are nobody really knows how it was built, in 1972 he could have used a Bitumen asphalt pump. The few photos with chain drive does show hydraulic pumps are being used.

The problem I have with a cone shape pump is the thrust bearing on it at high pressure, this will cause a piston effects as the pressure increase moving it away from the cone housing. Cooking oil rim jets mixing with air will cause the oil to increase in viscosity when it cools. I had this problem many times running cooking oil turning to a grease.

Tom

Initially I firstly thoughy the same but I later perceived that the cone and it's outer both revolved together so the thrust problem is eliminated. Still later I consiered that a far more friendly manufacturing technique was to use a seris of spiral cut plates with a partitian between rather than the cone anyway (as I believeyou have too)
I will post more detail if you are interested
Cheers
ab

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2022, 02:13:34 AM »
Hello Sky.

I fully understand your idea.

I done all the mathematics. Thrust and pressure are the key to understanding how fast and torque is generated. Hp=torque x rpm/5252

1900 rpm rotating a 12" diameter disk will take (3.14*1900)/60 = 99.43 ft/sec of thrust just to get it up to that speed. All thrust is lost and will not produce any mechanical load at that speed. the pressure would be greater then a 180 psi. This is why hydraulics is needed.

10 hp with a 24" 4 rim jet would need (26gpm x 500psi)/1714=7.585hp@ 100% efficiency running 1800 rpm.
85% efficiency is the real world in hydraulics not adding drag and other factors.

Cavitation is need to create greater output with pressure above 500 psi.

Tom



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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2022, 12:06:02 PM »
Hi Tommey, I am not good enough in hydraulics, so by my side I will give it up, but if you need my professional made technical drawings only contact me. You could even get my huge device free of charge. Would like to support you. It is still a great project and I am sure by knowing the project history that this technology worked well. Even in the past he faced problems by his second built that it started not as easy by low rpm as his first unit.
I have following suggestion which is super simple to build and to make tests without spending big money.
Take a  water hose with a pump and add a valve at the first part of the hose to let air in. (easiest walve would be a pc of pipe where you hold your finger on/off) 
Press the end of the pipe together to create a jet.
By this construction we can check the liquid-air relation.
You can easily check by which kind of input you get which kind of output...more detailed you could add a water wheel with generator...than you can check how much energy the pump needs and what kind of
energy the waterwheel creates.
I will also prepare a test like this in next time and update you.

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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2022, 05:37:00 PM »
Hi All,

Patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6860251B1/en
It is my great privilege to talk to you, and I do thank you for that.
I do admire your dedication .
I'm quite savvy in mechanics.
I see most if not all pros and cons of your concept, design, practical application.

I might be right, I might be wrong,
but I am never trying to be nice guy, when evaluating somebody's intellectual property.
It either works or is not.
But if it doesn't work, it doesn't mean it can't work as a concept or as its modification.
We all are being scrutinized by others, who are likely, mostly, or totally driven by their emotions, 
- desire sometimes called opportunism  often filled with jealousy/ugliness.
I am on your site.


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so my question is what went wrong?
Wesley

 
 
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Re: Tommey Reed's Advanced Engine Design Series.
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2022, 01:19:25 AM »
Hello Stivep,

As you may know patents cost money to keep them on file for 20 years. I couldn't afford to keep it active at that time.

As for the design and problems with the combustion chamber, it was a set back. But like all design failure, I corrected the issue and will correct the problem when I get extra money and better machines to continue the build.

Thanks for your interest.

Tom