Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Plug Heater

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics


  • *Total Posts: 506063
  • *Total Topics: 15116
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 4
  • *Guests: 14
  • *Total: 18

Author Topic: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils  (Read 24572 times)

Offline archon79

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 60
Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« on: January 21, 2007, 10:19:26 AM »

(The following text taken from 'The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity' by Peter A Lindemann and looks likely to be the basis of the SM TPU)

Tesla accidentally discovered an electrostatic "super-charging" effect while trying to verify Hertz' discovery of electro-magnetic waves. After hundreds of experiments, he learned how to control and maximize this phenomenon. This led him to the discovery that electricity is made up of different components, that can be separated from each other, and that a pure, gaseous etheric energy can be fractionated away from
the flow of electrons in a circuit designed to produce short duration, unidirectional impulses. When all the conditions were right, this gaseous, etheric energy would manifest itself as a spatially distributed voltage that would radiate away from the electrical circuit as a "light-like ray" that could charge other surfaces within the field.

From now on, I would like to refer to this phenomenon as "The Electro-Radiant Event" and summarize its characteristics as follows:

1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct
   current is discharged across a spark gap and interrupted abruptly
   before any reversals of current can occur.

2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is
   a charged capacitor.

3. The Electro-Radiant Event leaves wires and other circuit
  components perpendicular to the flow of current.

4. The Electro-Radiant Event produces a spatially distributed voltage
   that can be thousands of times higher than the initial spark
   discharge voltage.

5. It propagates instantaneously as a longitudinal, electrostatic "light-
   like ray" that behaves similarly to an incompressible gas under
   pressure.

6. Electro-Radiant effects are solely characterized by impulse duration
   and voltage drop in the spark gap.

7. Electro-Radiant effects penetrate all materials and create
  ?electronic responses? in metals like copper and silver. In this case,
  ?electronic responses? means that an electrical charge will build up
  on copper surfaces exposed to Electro-Radiant emissions.

8. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds are
  completely safe to handle and will not cause shock or harm.

9. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds are cold
   and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.



The "Electro-Radiant Event" is essentially the "gain mechanism" that Tesla discovered that is the basis of his Magnifying Transmitter. It is the foundation of his claim that he was able to create more energy in his output than it took to initiate it in his input.

http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Free_Energy_Secrets_of_Cold_Electricity.pdf

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« on: January 21, 2007, 10:19:26 AM »

Offline archon79

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 60
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 10:23:20 AM »

(The following is a message from Steve Mark to Mannix, showing that TAO was on the right track about the TPU, and also confirming the above post)


I want to mention about something I read on the site. A person named TAO wrote this to you a while back:

>As a gesture of good faith towards you and the rest I'll throw out some insights...
Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.

So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.

Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY
before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires
perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.

So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<

So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Lindsay, it is so VERY hard to describe things with words!

Sincerely, SM




Offline archon79

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 60
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 10:38:37 AM »
Attached to this post is the Magnetic Power patent for a solid state free energy torroid. It is very interesting but this point is made.

Quote
Use of a resonant circuit, particularly with inclusion of a capacitor as suggested, facilitates recirculation of energy within the input circuit, generally producing efficient excitation and a reduction of required input power as loads are applied.

And TAO mentions here..

Quote
Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly.

And Lindemann

Quote
1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct
   current is discharged across a spark gap and interrupted abruptly
   before any reversals of current can occur.

2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is
   a charged capacitor.

Just bulding a coil and pulsing frequency through it and measuring output alone is not going to achieve anything. The discharging of a capacitor phenomenon seems to be very important to these devices.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2007, 01:35:37 PM by archon79 »

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 10:38:37 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline AhuraMazda

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 01:38:42 PM »
It appears there may be two more ingredients needed to make MPI's patent work: Superconductivity and perhaps Plasma.
Read the last part of the following link:
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1357

AM

Offline archon79

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 60
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 01:58:50 PM »
The operation of the device would be a small battery to start a control circuit which creates the short pulse and radiant effect, and then an oscillation which creates usable electricity.

Quote
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.

Now the question really has to be asked, which approach did SM use to create the oscillation ?

Is the oscillation caused by combining frequencies and hitting some kind of harmonic? Or is it something to do with spinning/expanding/collapsing magnetic fields?

This evidence points to the later, but the main effort of this board has been the former.

I urge you to read the Magnetic Power patent. It really does have some great information on this very subject.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 01:58:50 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Grumpy

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 2267
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 03:25:30 PM »
Hey!  You forgot to include John Bedini - he uses capacitors to capture the radiant energy too.

Mark Goldes - CEO of MPI - stated on another site that an additional element was required for the Gunderson device to work and that this would be added in an ammendement to the patent at a later time - who knows what that could be?

This topic: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1827.0
illustrates a device that appears similar to Gunderson's.  Probably have a better chance at duplicating that than the MPI patent application.

Rather than copying and duplicating - construct an idea of how and why these devices work and then do your own experiments and develop your own device  - or develop one together - as a team. 

TAO's description is a good place to start.

Offline starcruiser

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 695
    • Starcruiser's Place
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 03:27:48 PM »
I have started to test this theory using my current TPU, I read the link that Grumpy posted in the other thread and it gave me a few ideas. My current testing is using a spark gap feeding a collector coil and using the associated control coils as the radiant energy collector/primary and the feedback coil as the secondary.

Detail....

My testing setup is using an ignition coil as the high voltage source (for now) which uses a GM control module as the coil control using a audio generator as the trigger source. This feeds the collector coil and so far has revealed that the control coils do infact pickup the electrostatic voltage.

I am using the control coils as the radiant energy collector and the primary of a step down transformer, the feedback is the secondary of the transformer. The results so far has shown that with 30kv in from the ignition coil, I get over 1200v out measured on the feedback coil (open circuit), with a 13k load resistor connected across the feedback coil I get approx 200vp-p. My scope reveals a ringing signal. I have not changed the control coil configuration from Ottos yet. I plan on changing this today to see what effect/changes I get.

My questions to be answered currently are;

By changing the control coils to a series configuration do they provide increased output?

If they do, If the feedback coil is wound in a reversed coil (transformer winding) improve output?

The most important question is, do these changes change the waveform to generate a more positive pulse output?

My Current TPU design used is;

Collector coils  15 turns 16 AWG stranded lamp cord wound clockwise for a 6" diameter coil

Control coils, 4 per layer each with 170 turns 30AWG magnet wire, spaced 1/2' apart.

Feedback coil, 17 turns of a single 16AWG wire over each control coil, series connected.

COnsiderations

Do I need to change the TPU design to a single control coil/radiant energy collector?

Is a second coil over the control coils needed to improve the coupling transformer?

Do I need to wrap the feedback or second coil opposing the other previous coils?

So far the tests I performed show more promise than the pulsed control coils. So I will continue to test variations of the TPU using this concept.

An observation, after reviewing the EV gray doco from the link Grump posted and reviewing the pix that were recently posted of closeups of the 18' TPU and its center coils, this now looks like a simple set of transformers (10:1 roughly). COuld these of been the signal sources conversion transformer which priovides the step up action to charge the Caps?

 There was another pix that showed an open wire coming from the large TPU (stranded). could this of been a radiant energy collector wire? (I say this since the collector only requires a single connection which is fed to the primary of the step down/isolation transformer, which the other side is connected to ground.

The other item or interest is the item that looks like a fuse, could this be his spark gap? I think he may be using either a blown fuse or a xeon strobe bulb (I know this is far fetched but I am not sure about the characteristics of these).

In this EV gray doco Grumpy linked us to EV gray is using a Triode as a gate/diode to trigger the spark and prevent the oscillations from the spark gap and create a unidirectional flow. My thought is can we use a high voltage diode from a microwave oven to replace the Triode to create the unidirectional flow while still using a simple high voltage souce (Ignition coil)? Or do we need to look to use a 555 timer, a step up transformer (10:1 or 20:1), a diode bridge and another device to trigger the discharge of the cap and ensure the unidirectional flow?

I will continue on my current path with the TPU as it is and try a few wiring variations first, then consider changing (or making a new TPU) using the coil variations I mentioned above.

I will post more when I have anything to share. Hopefully this post makes sense and provides some usefull info.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 03:27:48 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline giantkiller

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 2782
    • http://www.planetary-engineering.com
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 05:52:41 PM »

(The following text taken from 'The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity' by Peter A Lindemann and looks likely to be the basis of the SM TPU)

Tesla accidentally discovered an electrostatic "super-charging" effect while trying to verify Hertz' discovery of electro-magnetic waves. After hundreds of experiments, he learned how to control and maximize this phenomenon. This led him to the discovery that electricity is made up of different components, that can be separated from each other, and that a pure, gaseous etheric energy can be fractionated away from
the flow of electrons in a circuit designed to produce short duration, unidirectional impulses. When all the conditions were right, this gaseous, etheric energy would manifest itself as a spatially distributed voltage that would radiate away from the electrical circuit as a "light-like ray" that could charge other surfaces within the field.

From now on, I would like to refer to this phenomenon as "The Electro-Radiant Event" and summarize its characteristics as follows:

1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct
   current is discharged across a spark gap and interrupted abruptly
   before any reversals of current can occur.

2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is
   a charged capacitor.

3. The Electro-Radiant Event leaves wires and other circuit
  components perpendicular to the flow of current.

4. The Electro-Radiant Event produces a spatially distributed voltage
   that can be thousands of times higher than the initial spark
   discharge voltage.

5. It propagates instantaneously as a longitudinal, electrostatic "light-
   like ray" that behaves similarly to an incompressible gas under
   pressure.

6. Electro-Radiant effects are solely characterized by impulse duration
   and voltage drop in the spark gap.

7. Electro-Radiant effects penetrate all materials and create
  ?electronic responses? in metals like copper and silver. In this case,
  ?electronic responses? means that an electrical charge will build up
  on copper surfaces exposed to Electro-Radiant emissions.

8. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds are
  completely safe to handle and will not cause shock or harm.

9. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds are cold
   and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.



The "Electro-Radiant Event" is essentially the "gain mechanism" that Tesla discovered that is the basis of his Magnifying Transmitter. It is the foundation of his claim that he was able to create more energy in his output than it took to initiate it in his input.

http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Free_Energy_Secrets_of_Cold_Electricity.pdf
Like a match in gasoline, splitting atoms to a nucelar explosion, a little vibration to Nitro glycerine. And its labeled as cold because the 'fire', 'Explosion', the force propulsion happens at a higher frequency from us or the burning of oxygen.

--giantkiller. And that it why Tesla could sit in the field of blue sparks.

Offline giantkiller

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 2782
    • http://www.planetary-engineering.com
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 06:09:54 PM »
So here is the migratory path of the energy production,
1: Kicks? what are kicks and where do they come from? (Remember those days?)

2: Kicks are no problem to achieve or consistently produce for some of us .That is really easy to do once you realize the the potential in has to exceed the volume of copper. For instance, magwire compared to the higher gauge. But harvesting is a problem. Why? Enough production does not equal enough power. You touch the small radient energy with any metal and it doesn't show up. Alot of us have seen this.

3: Up the energy. It has been consistantly shown to use caps. I take it you use them on the input to the coil not the output like alot of previous attempts.

--giantkiller. This a great way to start off the week! Thanks guys. I thought I was going to get a rest but 11 days left. :o

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 06:09:54 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline sonny

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 06:56:09 PM »
Thanks for the post Arcon.

Offline ronotte

  • elite_member
  • Sr. Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 440
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 05:29:47 PM »
Carl,
I did the test you proposed: compare the Otto's collector coils connections vs simplr serial connections.
Result is that with serial connection you have spikes 5 -6 time bigger in amplitude...but not rot mag field.
In my case with Otto connection I've max 100V, with series connection about 650V.

Roberto

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 05:29:47 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline starcruiser

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 695
    • Starcruiser's Place
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 09:51:40 PM »
Roberto,

If we now add another frequency which is either higher or lower, we should get a rotating field again due to the hetrodyning effect.

I have not tried the TPU with 2 HV coils yet, only one, my next set of tests will use 2 HV coils.

The only issue I am facing with using these HV coils is that my scope cannot display the entire waveform! My scope can do (full deflection, highest setting) 200V/div 8 div, thus only 1600vp-p and my scope goes full screen when just measuring the feedback coil! under load I get it to drop to roughly 200vpp. I am still working on the spark gap design which will use a magnet to quench the spark. I also need to see if this will help with the unidirectional flow issue.

I have noticed though that if I place the spark gap after the collector coil the coil reduces the operating range (frequency) to the 3Khz area (this is based on a collector with 15 turns of 16AWG stranded wire). I had a wider range with the spark gap in the leadin to the coil. I am wondering how this will change with a single turn collector or just a change in the number of turns. humm....

What I like about this setup is the signal sources do not have to be sync'd since we want a difference in them. also the operating frequency so far is closer to SM's TPU.

More to test....

Offline ronotte

  • elite_member
  • Sr. Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 440
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2007, 12:10:35 PM »
Carl,
I'm very interested about your spark-gap tests, please let me know further results. For my side I'm preparing to do some tests of the same kind but by using a less dangerous method perhaps not so efficent!
I'm starting to build an arrangement that does use a 'shuttling capacitor' a-la-T.Bearden to provide the voltage discharge into TPU. In this way I should easily reach the 6 - 12 KHz needed for my 6" TPU all copper (in my case the sweet freq are: 6, 8 and 12 KHz) with a much less current supply!.
With Otto arrangement but also with all-serial wiring I'm able to glow bright red a 60 W/220V light bulb with a 10V @ 2 A supply, so the goal is to see if with electrolitic cap discharge will be possible to obtain a better conversion.
After that I'm preparing to build a new 4" TPU with another philosopy...it will be lighter ...no more than 80gm.
So at work!
Roberto



Offline ronotte

  • elite_member
  • Sr. Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 440
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 12:48:42 PM »
Carl, here's how I intend to do
Roberto

Offline MeggerMan

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 500
Re: Capture Radiant Energy via Coils
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 02:26:26 PM »
Hi Ronotte,
A TL494 can achieve most of this circuit (Osc, flip-flop, duty) except for the indivdual pulse width timing.
You could perhaps connect to a 555 in monostable mode.
Using descretes, perhaps an oscillator with a saw tooth output, 3 comparators, a flip-flop and a mosfet driver.
If you follow the schematic for the TL494 you could create a device from descretes but with two different duty cycles by using the ramp of the oscillator and a comparator.
Is there an advantage to be gained by pulse charging the cap?

Regards
Rob

 

OneLink