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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 12895 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #195 on: May 15, 2022, 06:06:09 AM »
I am thinking if one makes a zero force motor and it spins the direction it wants to go--, it's all good.  That could explain the zero force motors using like no amperage. And possibly my generator speeding up.

Same dynamics as passing a magnet the conventional way, except no polarity flip.

On the magnet approach, the coil is trying to repel the magnet from getting into the center hole of the coil.  Just like a conventional arrangement.
On the magnet exit- the coil is trying to suck the escaping magnet into the center hole-  Just like a conventional arrangement.

But since it's passing the coils side- after your past the coil poles, it zooms the magnet in the direction of the spin because it's trying to bring the magnet into the exit's side center hole.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #196 on: May 15, 2022, 07:11:51 AM »
You are doing so much work in that direction, you just might have to take the step of making a zero force to test your thoughts. I know I have been thinking of making one myself, just simply because I have not played with that aspect of things yet. But, I've seen some where using a metal core has really hurt the performance. So  not sire if you onto the exact same thing or just something very similar.

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« Reply #197 on: May 16, 2022, 04:54:19 AM »
I tinkered with the motor on and off throughout the day.  I can get it going pretty good (about 500 RPM estimate) on about 1 watt input power. But I have no answers yet.  Moving the core has HUGE effects. And the length of the core has big effects also.  If the core extends too far past the coil ends, the motor will barely move because the poles are too far away.  Shortening the core makes it speed up. 

When I got the generator coil to speed up the rotor, I was using a different rotor with a different configuration on how the magnets pass the coil.  I will have to re-visit that setup and try to get it spinning with little amp draw like now- then see if I can recreate the speed-up effect. 

One thing is for certain. Every small change matters a lot.  if something changes by 1/4" it can throw off the whole thing.

Edit- one last detail with the setup I used today.  If the timing is set at the zero line where polarity flips, I can get the rotor spinning either way with no problem without adjusting the timing.  That alone is very telling about the forces of the flux in this configuration.. 

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« Reply #198 on: May 16, 2022, 11:35:39 PM »
Nope- I was wrong with my image 2 posts ago.  On a downward stroke, the starting side is attracting you and the finish side is repelling.  But I noticed something else quite interesting..

Put a long core through a coil..  Now run a magnet along the core outside the coil..  The polarity of the core is the same as the coil on each stroke, but the flux is on both sides of your magnet the whole time.  Nothing really  to resist you..  If the end of the core is a little stronger like I suspect, then the end of the core rocks it in your favor.

Now take this and put 2 magnets on each side of the core so we have 4 magnets to 1 coil.  Probably get alot more out than running 1 magnet over the coil.  I can think of dozens of arrangements of this fashion.

Main point it, use as many magnets needed to get lots of flux moving around in the core-  and keep the magnets moving in the direction of the core only while keeping the magnets over the core the whole time.  If you cross the core or go over an edge, it resists you coming back in / out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZUuYqO57U

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« Reply #199 on: May 17, 2022, 04:29:34 AM »
I took a microwave transformer that I opened and tested this in another arrangement.  The core is nice and big so it covers the whole magnet.  Reciprocating it left and right produces very nice voltage.  When I powered the coil- the whole core was uniform in magnetism. The magnet is completely covered by one pole of the coil..  Any polarity the coil is spitting out is neutralized by the magnet because you have both magnets polarities inside 1 pole of the coil uniformly.

It needs a core to work tho.  Without a core the center is not uniform in magnetism.  The inner walls are dominant with no core.  But with a metal core-  the whole center core becomes uniform in magnetism with the inside edges of the center of the coil. And if you can fit your magnet inside the cores perimeter and have room for movement, your golden.

Not sure about eddy currents or other angles yet.  But a transformer has laminated iron core, so hopefully it's not too much of a problem.  I might be missing something- but I can't see how lenz can touch us in this position


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« Reply #200 on: May 18, 2022, 03:55:26 AM »
I tested this over and over and over again.  Dozens of times.  And I am sure this configuration totally reverses Lenz to work for you. It makes current flow not in opposition to input but in your favor.  I narrowed down the most powerful alignment that produces the most inductance and AC..

It may work with rotation, but you have a lot to fight and need to pass several zones that hurt you.  Exact switching is a must and the margin for success gets small.  You can make the "hot zone" larger but in doing so, you lose AC intensity.  But short-stroke reciprocation should keep my magnet in the peak zone the whole time with no need to switch anything.

Insert a core in a coil, but do not go to the end.  The area that has no core is your "hot zone"..  You can make the zone larger by pulling the core back more, but your AC production goes down.  You have from the end of the core to the end of the coil to work in.

Any motion over the core works against you exact same as usual.  But as soon as you pass the end of the core (and are still over the coil)  the coil acts as if you past the edge of the coil and flux works opposite till the end of the coil.  Inducing current in that zone should pull your magnet in the direction you want.

I am going to build the reciprocator.  Not sure if I can build enough power in this configuration to totally succeed, but out of all my theories and investigations- this is the one that eats the cake.  I will update when it's built

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #201 on: May 19, 2022, 05:23:33 AM »
The last design seems to have an issue.  It is correct, as the end of the coil goes in the direction I want, but the end of the core hinders motion.  I have 2 competing same polarities on each side of me, and the stronger one is the core behind me. Both are sucking me in- and the core beats the coil pole.  So no good!

But I found another one that has caught my interest.  In the image below, once both poles are within the coil, polarity of the coil reacts upon the leading polarity magnet.  (opposite what it does when going over the top of the coil).  From initial observances, it seems like a great line-up.  Non-scientific guestimates from what I've seen, I'd say that lineup produces about 3/4 of the power that one pole does in the same orientation.  The middle is the dead zone.

I am not really concerned with power production, as I can add magnets as needed.  I have been wrong many times already, so I remain cautiously optimistic.

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« Reply #202 on: May 20, 2022, 12:36:11 AM »
The last position generates no power if the magnet is level.  No Good!

But I revisited the idea we discussed earlier in this thread.  And my tests are showing the magnet wants to move in the correct direction on each stroke.
Remember Partzman's sine wave.  And the magnet polarity closest to an edge dictates which direction current flows in the coil in this position.

My last tests were with no core and it didn't look probable.  But when i added a core- everything changed.  The magnet no longer stick between the coil wall.  The leading magnet is attracted all the way over the coil to the core.

Apparently a magnets desire to attract to another opposite polarity over-powers the repulsion of like repelling poles every time in it's desire to attract. 

When I test the single polarity movement with two polarity field movement-  The dual field magnet goes the exact opposite way as the trailing single field alone.  But they produce the same direction sinewave.

I have to setup governors to limit movement, because if you go too far to the center- when you flip polarities, the magnet wants to keep going to the other side of the coil (which is undesirable).. I need it to return to the starting position.

The printing is underway to try it


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« Reply #203 on: May 20, 2022, 03:33:18 AM »
I made the first prototype..  And something weird is happening.  I hope people can chime in and take a peek and give me their opinions.

No sensors yet-  just switching polarities with set timing.  I will be testing sensors soon.

The thing starts reciprocating..  The supply amperage starts off and fiddles around a bit-  then the input amperage Drops and goes to 0.000 amps-  where it stays there for a good 10-20 seconds.  Then amps climb back up for a bit and the cycle continues.  Amps drop back to 0.000 amps and it stays there a while again. Cycle  Repeating and Repeating.

I really need to get this thing working with sensors instead of wood blocks- so it's not wasting energy propelling into a brick wall.  But what the heck is going on here?

HERE-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDApjslrEIc

Note-  I can also hookup an Led as a load and the LED stays lit when amps say 0.000

Thanks!

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« Reply #204 on: May 20, 2022, 04:01:31 PM »
Can you hook up another amp meter in line to just make sure it isn't just an anomaly on the power supply guage? The reason I ask is that you can hear by the sound of the side slapping as the current changes. It seems to not quite slam the sides as hard when the amps got higher just before the power supply dropped out. But I don't hear any change in sound when the amps drop out. It stands to reason that if it actually drops out that way, we should hear a very obvious sound change. Same issue when the current comes back, not much of a change in sound. But, again, resonance is a funny animal we don't know everything about either. If it is hitting resonance you never know, maybe it really does hit a sweet spot that it runs for nearly nothing. Since you are feeding the current back into it, maybe something great is happening. But the no sound change with that much current change makes me wonder if you are chasing a faulty reading? May be worth eliminating that possibility first.

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« Reply #205 on: May 20, 2022, 05:03:56 PM »
Can you hook up another amp meter in line to just make sure it isn't just an anomaly on the power supply guage? The reason I ask is that you can hear by the sound of the side slapping as the current changes. It seems to not quite slam the sides as hard when the amps got higher just before the power supply dropped out. But I don't hear any change in sound when the amps drop out. It stands to reason that if it actually drops out that way, we should hear a very obvious sound change. Same issue when the current comes back, not much of a change in sound. But, again, resonance is a funny animal we don't know everything about either. If it is hitting resonance you never know, maybe it really does hit a sweet spot that it runs for nearly nothing. Since you are feeding the current back into it, maybe something great is happening. But the no sound change with that much current change makes me wonder if you are chasing a faulty reading? May be worth eliminating that possibility first.

I think it's something with the capacitor built on the H bridge.  I'm assuming if it is pulling more than the capacitor can store, the cap smooths it out amperage is constant.  But if the machine pulls less than the cap can store- it runs off the cap until the cap needs to re-charge.

I came to this conclusion because the cap exploded on me..  Like a firecracker.  The h bridge is still working with no cap now.  And with no cap- I can not reproduce the effect.  I can get the amps to go real low and still get good force, but the .000 miracle is gone now

I can probably verify by putting a cap on the DC input side and see if the effect comes back.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #206 on: May 20, 2022, 05:10:48 PM »
Oops...  Well, the exploding capacitor is certainly a big clue.

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« Reply #207 on: May 20, 2022, 05:38:17 PM »
Here's something interesting (i think)...

When I pulse the coils with no moving magnet underneath - I use about .2 amps when holding the voltage steady.

When I put the magnet slider in- it starts to swing hard and amps do not increase when moving the slider. If anything, amps decrease a little.

It seems it's not drawing more under load. Maybe even less

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« Reply #208 on: May 20, 2022, 05:47:33 PM »
Here's a video of it happening..   Most definitely amperage pull goes down when putting the pulsing coil under load when magnet / coil is arranged this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DNzlSFMEok

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« Reply #209 on: May 21, 2022, 12:59:39 AM »
How does it react when you use the energy from the secondary? Like maybe dumping it across a battery or something. Just wondering if you used that flux in the core for something, if you can still get that same result? I've always wondered if there is free work to be extracted from an efficient transformer in some way.