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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 14536 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #165 on: May 10, 2022, 05:18:37 PM »
Okay, I understand now.  Unfortunately I did not realize earlier that your tests with the two magnets joined as SN (or NS of course) corresponds to the improved  case shown by member partzman here https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg565002/#msg565002  Naudin showed the coil at other 90° angle indeed. 

Now you can load the coil by say a 10 or 20 Ohm resistor and somehow check Lenz counter to motion.  A pendulum-like setup where the movement of the bob (that includes the two magnets)  would be confined to the edges of the coil and count the number of swings?  One possibility.
Thanks for explaining.

Yes, it relates exactly to parts partzmans post.  But the amazing part is, the polarity it sets corresponds to the last magnet to enter. Which means all the force repelling that out, is attracting the one in front which is closer to the center.

And it stays that polarity the entire pass, helping us on both sides of the coil. The only place we have hurtful inductance is crossing the edges and when the leading magnet gets stuck to the center

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #166 on: May 10, 2022, 05:27:21 PM »
The pendulum idea is good, except that the coil would have to be cut when the leading magnet is aligned with the middle. Because we have attraction in that one spot

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« Reply #167 on: May 10, 2022, 06:42:48 PM »

Perhaps with a normally closed reed switch? which would open at the right moment? would it be enough? 

EDIT:  if you have only a normally open reed switch, and have two  n-channel power mosfets rated for say 100V drain-source breakdown voltage, you could use this circuit I attached. Just swap R1 and the reed, the latter should short circuit the gate-source points at the right moment to switch the conducting mosfets off.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #168 on: May 10, 2022, 07:10:16 PM »
Perhaps with a normally closed reed switch? which would open at the right moment? would it be enough? 

EDIT:  if you have only a normally open reed switch, and have two  n-channel power mosfets rated for say 100V drain-source breakdown voltage, you could use this circuit I attached. Just swap R1 and the reed, the latter should short circuit the gate-source points at the right moment to switch the conducting mosfets off.

Maybe. The pendulum would have an arcing motion which would bring one magnet closer than the other at different points adding variables.

I might as well just print a rotor that passes the coil top like an axial flux alignment. and use hall sensors to cut the coil.

Increased RPMs and lower input wattage would confirm if using an air coil.

Edit. I won't have much of a problem working with arduinos and Hall sensors.

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« Reply #169 on: May 10, 2022, 08:27:51 PM »

Okay, I agree.  Have it your way of course.  Use a pendulum comes member Norman here, also an excellent experimenter.

The two mosfets constitute a bidirectional switch, AC current can go in any direction when they are switched on.  In case of one mosfet the body diode may conduct when a reverse current is present. But you surely know these.  8)

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« Reply #170 on: May 10, 2022, 08:48:41 PM »
Okay, I agree.  Have it your way of course.  Use a pendulum comes member Norman here, also an excellent experimenter.

The two mosfets constitute a bidirectional switch, AC current can go in any direction when they are switched on.  In case of one mosfet the body diode may conduct when a reverse current is present. But you surely know these.  8)

Yes 2 MOSFETs or I got a bag of triacs .  I usually just rectify it first then switch the DC with one MOSFET. Is there any downfall doing that?

I do thank you for taking the time to read and offer advice.

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« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2022, 08:57:10 PM »
Well, if you use a full wave diode bridge to rectify and switch the DC output side with one mosfet, that is ok also for testing.  Downfall: the diodes may introduce unwanted losses when the power level involved is small.   

Triacs are normally slow switches, you need to select for the quicker ones. Solid state relays are also slow.   

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« Reply #172 on: May 11, 2022, 01:52:33 AM »
Well- it won't work..  I fired up the coil with the power supply and compared motion reaction to exact points of the wave.  And of course, the complex nature of the flux put a monkey wrench in my gears.  The center core hole is not where the strongest pull is.  And the flip I keep referring to on the "edge" is not really the edge. 

The 2 pole magnet will stick to the exact center of the coil wall which it is passing.  The center core is not sucking it in.  And that incoming polarity flip we see is not happening on approach. It happens when the leading magnet enters the coil and only goes the other way right when the 2 poles are centered on the center line of the coil wall.  And the same on the way out.  There is no window with an air core.  Switching the coil has no benefit here.   It is full drag the whole way.

I will be reverting back to experimenting with getting my motor to rotate the same was as the current.  I may revisit this idea again at a later date if new info emerges

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #173 on: May 11, 2022, 02:42:03 AM »
Here is a diagram of reactions I saw a almost all points.  I included what I think is happening with single polarity magnet also. I tested by powering a coil and using several magnets in all directions feeling where the forces are in relation to the magnet position.

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« Reply #174 on: May 11, 2022, 09:02:34 AM »
Here is a homemade solid state relay circuit from IR's apnotation.
I did it. It turned out badly. I don’t know why, maybe the components are not the same. Then I did it in my own way. It turned out better. :)

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« Reply #175 on: May 11, 2022, 11:23:10 AM »
Here is a diagram of reactions I saw a almost all points.  I included what I think is happening with single polarity magnet also. I tested by powering a coil and using several magnets in all directions feeling where the forces are in relation to the magnet position.
 

Unfortunately, Lenz law hampers our efforts when it is about coil and magnet flux interactions. 
A different approach separates the direct interaction between the coil and the magnet, I referred to such setup for kolbacict here: 

https://overunity.com/19099/floodrods-etheric-generator-research-build/msg566457/#msg566457  and here:
https://overunity.com/19099/floodrods-etheric-generator-research-build/msg566625/#msg566625   

Sorry that I draw attention to this without my testing it. The inventor Liberty is a member here and I normally give the benefit of doubt to anyone with reasonable claims till proven otherwise.

I mean this claim from him: 

"It is not necessary to power this motor 100% of the time.  If powered at say 25% of the time, it should run on an average power consumption of 1.5625 watts.  (using DC ohms law)  4 watts out / 2 watts in = 200% efficient."
  from his website https://www.dynamaticmotors.com/47101.html   

Anyway, thank you for all your arduous efforts to do and share your findings. 

Gyula

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #176 on: May 11, 2022, 01:06:20 PM »
Thanks! I will be re-reading all you posted on my next off day.

One more configuration is intriguing me.  Magnet reciprocating inside the coil.  One polarity repels me out both sides- one polarity keeps me in on both sides.  And it seems there may be a way to reverse the polarity on which direction I reciprocate without letting the polarity flip on 1 stroke.   Preliminary results suggest it depends how far I reciprocate and where the magnet / coil alignment extends to.  If I reciprocate too far, the polarity flips.

It's looking like the safe-zone is center line of magnet to edge of the coil as of now. 

I will be gathering more info on this.  No claims are being made yet

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« Reply #177 on: May 12, 2022, 03:40:02 AM »
You've been doing great work. I have been pretty busy this week, but I've been catching up as I can. Thanks again for continuing the efforts and sharing along the way. There are some great talented people watching and adding info as they can. Thank you to everyone, and keep up the great work!

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« Reply #178 on: May 12, 2022, 05:12:33 AM »
This is interesting stuff however the only requirement for a FE device is to invoke more change than is normally present in an equivalent process or device. Motion is energy, more motion equates to more energy.

How does what is presented relate to generating or extracting more energy/motion?.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #179 on: May 12, 2022, 07:22:49 PM »
This is interesting stuff however the only requirement for a FE device is to invoke more change than is normally present in an equivalent process or device. Motion is energy, more motion equates to more energy.

How does what is presented relate to generating or extracting more energy/motion?.

Regards
AC

That latest configuration will not work.  But I just had a revelation I should have had a long time ago.  And I am sure it's been posted many times..

It seems Flux can be practically free..  And Flux drives our motors.  Connecting our coils directly to a power supply on both sides was such a waste..  The same amount of flux we produce with 25 watts to drive our motors can be had for a fraction of that amount of wattage.

If we hookup a power supply to a battery, we can place the coil between the 2 positive leads.  If the coil is low ohms with nice fat wire (like a 1 ohm coil), we get nice big flux and barely use any wattage producing it.   The majority of the current is being caught by the battery instead of going into the ground.

A diode after the coil is probably a good idea to prevent the battery voltage from going the other way.