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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 12822 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2022, 08:24:51 PM »
I am not convinced it is the core yet. If it turns out to be, I am not opposed to going down that direction. But I will need confirmation first.

I see my theory very convincing still. Holding the coil vertical and making a vertical pass with the magnet should definitely create resistance the whole way. But when we pass the same coil with rotation, that resistance is no longer the same and it appears to be interacting with the motion in a totally different manner.

If you have any video references of desaturating a core to get something to run better, please send my way. I can't even begin to speculate on that subject because I have no clue how that would possibly work.

Hopefully I will know more in a few days, as my weekend is quickly approaching and I could get more data on this phenomenon





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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2022, 08:36:39 PM »
Thats actually just the simple test of removing that 2nd coil and core all together and get a speed rating and current draw without any additions so there is a baseline number to work from. Something is speeding it up. But the only way to understand what it is is just to narrow it down. As far as saturating a core to speed up a motor I have seen quite a few times in videos and stuff. It's usually done and not recognized as to what is really happening. There was a Thane heinz debunk video I saw this effect being shown. Now in his video, he described it as a debunk to thanes speed increase. I can't say I 100% agree, just that this effect is demonstrated and in his video, it does make sense. I'll try amd find it and add it. But the video I posted earlier of the torroid and the working concepts behind Stearns orbo shows neutralizing a core. It was a torroid, bit the concept is the same. I'll try and edit and add some links. I'm not saying this is what is going on, I'm just saying this COULD be the speed up you saw in that test and isn't to hard to debunk if it isnt. But this is me referring to one of your earlier experents, not so much your latest one.


Here was an old video of debunking Thane heinz. I'm not giving an opinion on that, and whether or not he actually did debunk thane heinz speed up effect, but he does do some valid experements that show saturation increasing speed.
https://youtu.be/kfRxsC9yumQ


And Here is one I posted earlier that simply shows a pulse saturating the toroid so the magnet is no longer attracted to it. Neutralizing that core per say. You are not seeing the magnet propelled away. It's just falling away because it is no longer attracted to it.
https://youtu.be/Xjhh0Jwj7vo


These I think could give the speed up of your motor test. It's a theory anyway.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2022, 08:49:08 PM »
It actually is kind of hard to debunk.

Just removing the core to see the speed is not going to answer the question accurately.  It is already known a hunk of metal will slow the rotor. Move the metal away and the rotor goes quicker. There's no arguing that. Just because the rotor is going quicker without the core does not mean that the inductance wasn't helping the rotor. It could very well be that the inductance was helping the rotor, just not enough to overcome the resistance of the core.

The only way I see to accurately answer this is to see if I could reproduce the effects without a core.

I will know soon enough. And you could be assured I will share the results like always.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2022, 08:59:10 PM »
I'm sorry, your not getting what I am saying on the debunk. We agree, the core will slow it down. The question is how much. The test without the coil or core all together to see the speed of motor and current draw will show you exactly how much you do lose adding that core there. Then when you induce the current from Lenz into it and it speeds up the rotor, you will know exactly how much it added to the speed, even though it will not get back more than you lost by having the core at all. Then you will have some base numbers to compare to. My point is, I don't think you got more speed increase than you lost simply by having the core. But you DID GET AN INCREASE.... that's note worthy and I don't think we should ignore it. Now it's a matter of explaining why amd trying to narrow it down. Once it is fully understood why, we can begin to manipulate it in different ways to maybe get use from it. I'm simply suggesting getting a set of baseline numbers to work from so you know where you are at in each experiment. The fact that younwere not able to get enough just using the air core also tells you that the core was imperative to the experiments speeding up result. But why? That's the question.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2022, 09:09:30 PM »
I don't mind doing it. And I will certainly post a numbers.

I just am failing to see how it will Tell us much.

Let's just say it goes 2000 RPM without the coil there.
Now it drops to 1500 RPM with the core and coil there open.
Then it speeds up to 1700 RPM when we load it.

These are just examples, but what would this have told us? I don't see how this will tell us if we were speeding it up from rotor coil interaction, or from saturating the core. Can you explain a little deeper?


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2022, 09:23:29 PM »
Sure, the point of the test comes from your original thought of what was happening. You originally saw a speed increase and thought that it was Lenz speeding everything up and we solved the problem. Later you have realized that a speed up, ignoring the original slow down, did not give us what we thought. It was an over all loss still, just less. Not having those original numbers causes that jump to confusions. Having those numbers helps document for future theories. For instance, now we know the core is definitely part of the equation. When we can see the speed up from Lenz, we can measure how much is generated causing it. We can then feed the same amount of current into the coil and measure the effects of saturation and if it is even enough power to cause any saturation at all. If it is not, then saturation is definitely not the cause. But without a set of baseline numbers, we don't even have anything to compare future teat results to.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2022, 09:30:10 PM »
Okay I will do it. Just so you know though that coil produces like no amps. That thing goes past 100 volts but even with a load I can't even see a hundredth of an amp with a load.

It's somewhere about 8000 feet of 30 gauge. 2.5 lb worth

And the core is a piece of a garden cart axle cut off

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2022, 09:38:39 PM »
So, you are getting basically no Amperage out of that and you are getting a speed increase shorting it? That coil must be way bigger than it appears in the video. I'll wind up a test rig and see what's going on here when I get settled in from our trip.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2022, 09:59:07 PM »
I am not home now, but in a few hours I could send measurements and ohm readings of it. I'm going to guess it's somewhere about 10 to 12 in long. And the circumference is probably about that of an egg.  The core rod is probably about 5/8 to 7/8 of an inch diameter and runs the length of the coil.

The voltage shocks uncomfortably when it hits me. But yeah no amps really

The prime mover on the other hand has amperage if used as a generator coil

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2022, 10:24:10 PM »
And for what it's worth. I have tried using the black coil as the prime mover. My power supply goes up to 32 volts. I can max out the power supply at 32 volts and it uses 0.00 amps.

The black coil can make the rotor spin, just very weakly because I can't get any amps into it.  The blue and white coil on the other hand uses some old cat5 wire I had laying around. At 32 volts it pulls about a half an amp which is plenty to speed my magnet rotor up

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2022, 10:26:52 PM »
With that number of turns, it could actually generate a pretty strong magnetic field. Even though there isn't much for current, that could have a large ffect on things.

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« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2022, 10:46:52 PM »
With that number of turns, it could actually generate a pretty strong magnetic field. Even though there isn't much for current, that could have a large ffect on things.

I think so, it inducts great I think. I could get it to speed up the rotor to good speeds by holding a piece of metal from the top of the core down a couple inches into the coil above the rotor. I think it doesn't do good as a prime mover because it is much larger than the rotor so the strongest poles are quite far away from the rotor

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2022, 12:08:56 AM »
Okay I will do it. Just so you know though that coil produces like no amps. That thing goes past 100 volts but even with a load I can't even see a hundredth of an amp with a load.

It's somewhere about 8000 feet of 30 gauge. 2.5 lb worth

And the core is a piece of a garden cart axle cut off
 

Well, your coil with the awg 30 and 8000 feet has around 825 Ohm DC resistance and considering its surely high inductive reactance at the rpm frequency you induce AC in it, the low output current could be explained. 

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2022, 01:18:25 AM »
As for the power supply maxed out and showing 0 ma, that just simply means less than 10ma. Many do that. Mine does. With that much resistance, it's entirely understandable.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2022, 01:40:19 AM »
Coil rang out on my fluke at 720 ohms. Measures 7.5" long by a little under 2" diameter.


positioned a new style rotor -  ran it to about 3500 rpm with the core in front of it.
No core or coil- Just rotor.  3585 RPM.  14 volts- averaging about .7 amps
With core and coil:
Coil was producing 85 volts open circuit.  RPM was about 3530 open circuit. 14 volts .83 amps (average)
Shorted coil- Volts went to .02.  RPM stayed the same. 3530 ish.  14 volts and about the same amps.

Input amperage is harder to tell because my PS auto adjusts. so these are close averages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/P7QqrhHqzNs

I will do more tests