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Okay I will do it. Just so you know though that coil produces like no amps. That thing goes past 100 volts but even with a load I can't even see a hundredth of an amp with a load.

It's somewhere about 8000 feet of 30 gauge. 2.5 lb worth

And the core is a piece of a garden cart axle cut off

I am not home now, but in a few hours I could send measurements and ohm readings of it. I'm going to guess it's somewhere about 10 to 12 in long. And the circumference is probably about that of an egg.  The core rod is probably about 5/8 to 7/8 of an inch diameter and runs the length of the coil.

The voltage shocks uncomfortably when it hits me. But yeah no amps really

The prime mover on the other hand has amperage if used as a generator coil

With that number of turns, it could actually generate a pretty strong magnetic field. Even though there isn't much for current, that could have a large ffect on things.

Okay I will do it. Just so you know though that coil produces like no amps. That thing goes past 100 volts but even with a load I can't even see a hundredth of an amp with a load.

It's somewhere about 8000 feet of 30 gauge. 2.5 lb worth

And the core is a piece of a garden cart axle cut off

 

Well, your coil with the awg 30 and 8000 feet has around 825 Ohm DC resistance and considering its surely high inductive reactance at the rpm frequency you induce AC in it, the low output current could be explained. 

Coil rang out on my fluke at 720 ohms. Measures 7.5" long by a little under 2" diameter.


positioned a new style rotor -  ran it to about 3500 rpm with the core in front of it.
No core or coil- Just rotor.  3585 RPM.  14 volts- averaging about .7 amps
With core and coil:
Coil was producing 85 volts open circuit.  RPM was about 3530 open circuit. 14 volts .83 amps (average)
Shorted coil- Volts went to .02.  RPM stayed the same. 3530 ish.  14 volts and about the same amps.

Input amperage is harder to tell because my PS auto adjusts. so these are close averages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/P7QqrhHqzNs

I will do more tests

Ok so I need some clarification on something.  It's very possible my mind is just missing something here.  But the logic doesn't make sense to me.

I can show moving the magnet makes the current go 1 way when passing downward on the outside of the coil- and current goes opposite way when passing downward on the same side inside wall of the coil.  How could both ways be restricting my movement when the current flips depending what side of the wall you are on? 

I recorded a demonstration here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMuInkauxkM   

To answer the last video. What you are missing is viewing the problem from the perspective of the magnet. The magnet on the inside of the coil is reacting to a coil wound from left to right (per say). Then the magnet on the outside of the coil sees the coil winding from right to left. To the magnet and the direction the force is coming from, it is all opposite so therefor the polarity is opposite. Nothing there t9 add to anything. Just opposite side sees the winding opposite so gives you opposite polarity.


Another way to look at it, you are technically flipping the magnet around to face the same pole inward. Think of this. If a guy behind you is facing your back and holding his right hand up, then he moves in front of you and turns around to face you but still holding his right hand up. It is now the opposite side to you even though to him it is still his right hand.

What A brain twister.  Can we go a little deeper with this if you don't mind. I am still a little fuzzy about it.

Lets just say we are dealing with a north pole only. A big bar magnet only interacting the north face for simplicity.  Depending if the magnet is inside or outside the polarity of the coil flips because current flows in the other way.

In this example- pushing the North down inside the coil makes the top of the coil South,  resisting us the whole way.  But putting the magnet outside the coil causes the top of the coil to become North.  Now the exact same motion downward has no resistance.

I can comprehend your description if the magnet was going the other direction, or switing from the other end of the coil. But the exact same downward motion set the polarity differently with the same motion from the same starting point.

Sorry if I am wrong and I do appreciate you explaining.  This is just very twisty for me

I think your rotor change completely changed your entire approach. I'll watch a couple times to make sure I'm not just looking at it funny, but now it seems your magnets are passing the turns horizontally instead of cutting the turns across them. Am I looking at it wrong?

Yep- I noticed that too.  When I brought it up to center that happened.  but it produced a good degree more power like that.  Because the rotor is going in a circumference, some flux is being cut still.  I think the jump is because in the middle I can hit both sides of the coil with 2 magnets