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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 8750 times)

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2022, 05:53:17 AM »
I do see the use for the arc style coils of the zero force motor design.
As far as moving to air core coil. Good move, but don't completely ignore the steel core. There could be much to learn with experements there. Your speed increase is something to explore, even though it may not be more than you lost, it's still there and interesting.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2022, 01:13:19 PM »
I do see the use for the arc style coils of the zero force motor design.
As far as moving to air core coil. Good move, but don't completely ignore the steel core. There could be much to learn with experements there. Your speed increase is something to explore, even though it may not be more than you lost, it's still there and interesting.

Yes- the new coils I will make will have a hollow tube where I could place a steel rod it I like, so I can experiment all ways.  It will be tested for sure.  Few days till I have the setup to test all accurately. 

I did a simple test energizing the coil to see interaction with the different motion to form a hypothesis. And I am seeing what my picture showed.  Traveling down the side in a straight line - the coil should do everything it can to restrict my motion in the stroke.  But coming in from an angular motion via rotation seems to change he dynamics. That restricting motion caused by a vertical pass reacts opposite on the magnet if it's coming in on an angular trajectory.

And verifying that current direction is the same in both orientations has been done by Russ and myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hg7_Lotf5U

I will test this hypothesis

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2022, 08:32:49 AM »
Something with your last video seems odd. I get what you are questioning about lenz. That isn't what I'm a little confused about. What I am confused about it that you are showing that with the power turned on to the coil the entire time, it is pulling the magnet inward on the approach, and at the middle point it begins to push the magnets outward. You are saying you are getting an aid in rotation on the way in as well as on the way out with the coil turned on the entire time? So you are saying if the rotor had all N facing magnets it would continue to rotate without ever turning off the coil? That doesn't make sense. Maybe I am hearing you wrong? I'm just trying to understand what you are saying the setup you have there is doing, not thinking about the lenz side of things yet.

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« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2022, 12:34:55 PM »
Something with your last video seems odd. I get what you are questioning about lenz. That isn't what I'm a little confused about. What I am confused about it that you are showing that with the power turned on to the coil the entire time, it is pulling the magnet inward on the approach, and at the middle point it begins to push the magnets outward. You are saying you are getting an aid in rotation on the way in as well as on the way out with the coil turned on the entire time? So you are saying if the rotor had all N facing magnets it would continue to rotate without ever turning off the coil? That doesn't make sense. Maybe I am hearing you wrong? I'm just trying to understand what you are saying the setup you have there is doing, not thinking about the lenz side of things yet.

With the coil powered, there are definitely sticky spots.  We both know it won't rotate by itself. If it was a different style rotor- it would suck toward the top of the coil from the attraction then stay there.  If we gave it momentum to get past the sticky point- the repelling fields would give it a kick on the way out.  But there is definitely a gate to pass. Sort of like caloways old V-Gate.  And we know the V-gate doesn't run by itself either.

But the V-gate uses a permanent magnet as a stator with a constant field, where I would use coil inductance. The differences is a coil can be switched on/ off and has varying flux levels depending on the magnet speed / proximity.  And we also know the V-gate would self run IF we were able to turn the stator permanent magnet on and off at exact moments (without using power).

With my current design- I can not build enough induction using an air coil to get any attraction on the way in or repulsion on the way out yet because the magnet is not close enough and I do not have the proper copper to make a coil without raping my iron core one- which I want to keep. 

My copper wire should be delivered today- and I am going to redesign the rotor so I can pass the coil with more area coverage on the way in and out.  And I am going to hit the coil from both sides with 2 rotors. 

All this leaves 1 last question-  I wasn't switching the coil- so if this effect was making mine speed up- how could it when the V-gate doesn't do that?  My guess is, the side of the coil is not equal in magnetism the whole way.  The top and bottom of the coil would have the highest degree of force and the middle should be neutral. So if my rotor magnet was perfectly aligned with the coil (dead center) I should have equal pull in as push out.  But what if it wasn't aligned exactly right?  What if my coil was positioned a little up or down to make the repelling out side closer to the pole than the attraction coming in?  Is this why I could only make it happen in 1 direction and not the other?

To sum up my answer to your question-  If I was controlling the power input to the coil at the right timing and positioned the coil in the right way to give 1 side more than the other when I cranked it up- yes I think I can get it to keep going.  But not with a static field centered. When using the magnets to create induction, it may make this possible because the field is changing with respect to the magnet position and I can tilt and move the coil to different positions.

All this is just my current throey. There may be nothing here, or maybe there is.  but All my data is saying something cool is happening..  This is the closest I been to any effects I seek, so I definitely need to experiment with different designs , positions, switching, and all that to get that coil full of induction with the magnets then see if I can use it to help me.

Edit- 1 last thought.  In my other thread, a link was posted evaluating efficiency when positioning small coils this way . The efficiency was measured up to 53% if I recall.  And every one that I saw were passing the edges of the coils..  Passing the edges slows you down on the way in and out.  Now take that data-  eliminate the resistance passing the edges- and possible even switch out the sticky point.  That's the direction that needs to be explored IMO


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2022, 01:04:08 PM »
The differences is a coil can be switched on/ off and has varying flux levels depending on the magnet speed / proximity.

If you do not use power supplies, then yes. Just short the coil with contacts.

And we also know the V-gate would self run IF we were able to turn the stator permanent magnet on and off at exact moments (without using power).
I'm afraid it is. A lot of time has been spent on these devices.

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« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2022, 01:17:26 PM »
I'm afraid it is. A lot of time has been spent on these devices.

Plenty of videos using power to neutralize the PM at the gate and it will run.  Just not without using power or outside force.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2022, 01:51:08 PM »
Yes. I did it with an electromagnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8

з.ы.
And what if we twist the magnetic field like air in a Ranque-Hilsch tube? Which separates the gas of the same temperature into hot and cold.
Lenz will come out in one direction, useful EMF in the other? ;D
Crazy thoughts?
But how original...  8)

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2022, 03:20:16 PM »
Yes. I did it with an electromagnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8

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Hi kolbacict, 

What if you replace your electromagnet with an actuator arm?  The arm would move up and down vertically and its bottom would be glued to the diaphragm of a loudspeaker.  The top of the arm would hold a permanent magnet which would help reduce the strength of the sticky point of the V-gate whenever the rotor arrives there. 
The coil in the speaker would receive pulses to lift up and release the arm at the correct moments. 
This idea came from member Liberty and he made tests on such setups but he did not use V gate but I think he used magnets glued onto a rotor in a spiral line where the sticky point happens when the rotor magnet closest to the rotor edge arrives at the actuator arm magnet. See his short videos: 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyMagnetMotor/videos     See his website with some more details:   

 https://www.dynamaticmotors.com/2601.html     https://www.dynamaticmotors.com/47101.html   

Floodrod, sorry if this is off topic...   8)       

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2022, 05:23:59 PM »
Floodrod

Would something like this be worth trying?

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« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2022, 05:29:03 PM »
Floodrod

Would something like this be worth trying?

Yes. But not with downward vertical motion, but with rotation. It downward motion should be restrictive the whole time.

I was planning to experiment with something similar, horseshoe-shaped coils with both feet going down.

The aim is to pass these coils in that same orientation without getting close to the edges. So your diagram is certainly something I am going to try. Good thinking!

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« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2022, 06:26:08 PM »
Many ideas have rolled through here, so I'm just bring up something to think about I mentioned before. If you are looking to wind another coil with your new wire, you might consider winding 2 parallel strands. Just so you can test some different arrangements. You can always hook the 2 strands in series and it will be just like a normal wind anyway. But you can hook different ends up and see the effect of trying to draw energy off one strand while running with another, or hook them in series opposite directions just to see how it would effect things. Just an idea you might think about that could give you more things to test and learn from if you are winding a coil anyway.


Also, if you are trying to save that iron core, wrap it in wax paper or something before you wind it. Or find a piece of pvc it will slide into nicely and wrap the pvc. That way you can slide the core out. It would also allow you to test your setup air core or iron core, and different variations of how far the core is slid into it and hanging outside the wire turns. Just different thoughts that may help you get more learning out of that bench time!

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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2022, 06:35:30 PM »
Many ideas have rolled through here, so I'm just bring up something to think about I mentioned before. If you are looking to wind another coil with your new wire, you might consider winding 2 parallel strands. Just so you can test some different arrangements. You can always hook the 2 strands in series and it will be just like a normal wind anyway. But you can hook different ends up and see the effect of trying to draw energy off one strand while running with another, or hook them in series opposite directions just to see how it would effect things. Just an idea you might think about that could give you more things to test and learn from if you are winding a coil anyway.


Also, if you are trying to save that iron core, wrap it in wax paper or something before you wind it. Or find a piece of pvc it will slide into nicely and wrap the pvc. That way you can slide the core out. It would also allow you to test your setup air core or iron core, and different variations of how far the core is slid into it and hanging outside the wire turns. Just different thoughts that may help you get more learning out of that bench time!

Yes. Double winding sound like a definite. Thank you for that.

Regarding the new coil, I was going to do it around a plastic tube which I could slide a core in and out.

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« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2022, 06:53:56 PM »
Keep in mind also, you are following down the path of experiments that Russ shared. Assume, you will have to try something totally different here somewhere. Keep thinking out of the box. Russ is VERY OPEN SOURCE. If he figured this out completely, he would have shown you the exact working device and exactly how to make it. So just following those assumptions, do not get discouraged. Just understand, this probably will not be an obvious solution or he would have nailed it down already. Just use that info to understand that what he did was share all his work so that we can find what he may have missed but was searching for. You are learning more at the bench than many learn ever with just thinking about stuff. That's exactly how it works, and why we have to keep at it. Because I have a feeling that the solution to free energy will probably be something completely counterintuitive that you have to notice by actually doing it and not just visualizing it. Like the double slit experiment in quantum physics. No amount of theorizing would have expected the results they get when they actually do it! If you have never looked at the double slit experiment, it's worth a look. Slightly off subject, but not as much as you might think. Could even explain a source of free energy. It's a fun little video that gets your brain moving if you haven't seen it yet.
https://youtu.be/Q1YqgPAtzho

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« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2022, 07:09:18 PM »
Yes, I have read much on that subject. I'm no stranger to the power of collective consciousness, sacred geometry, and all the anomalous subjects that the wonderful internet has offered over to past couple decades.

One of my family members has direct contact daily with Brad Sorensen. I've spoken to him once or twice. If you ever heard of McCandlish or ARVs, Brad was the source who brought all the information to McCandlish. S4, alien technology kind of guy. He holds 400 patents for a lot of top military stuff.

The only inkling we could get out of him of free energy was that short stroke reciprocation can lead to something. But I do not think that's the only way. But these are subjects I'm assuming he cannot talk too much about due to disclosure things. I am sure if it was not possible, he would have no hesitation saying you're wasting your time.




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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2022, 08:13:06 PM »
I'm finally back home from a long trip so I can start hitting the bench again soon myself. A few thoughts about your project that keeps rattling around in my head I may need to try and explore a bit. I think I will wind some stuff to play with.
One of your earlier experiments APPEARED to neutralize the core of the coil seemingly from the induced current of Lenz law. I think you saw it as an increase in rotor speed but the discussion of having a core causing more slow than the speed gain kind of drifted the subject. I am thinking back to the result you did get. Even if having the core slowed the rotor more, the fact that you got an increase in speed at all is note worthy in my opinion. I think the amount of saturation decreased the rotor magnet attraction to that core. That can be useful. Of course using a different arrangment probably. But if we can get a neutralized core as a side effect of something we are already doing for another function, it could be an additional source. For instance, ignore a coil. A magnet rotor would attract to the metal and if it was neutralized at the moment it began to pass the center and pull away, we have rotation. If we didn't have to pay for that pulse that neutralized it and it was done as a side effect of something else we were doing, then we can get a free gain of energy to help offset something else. Not sure I even explained that well.