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Offline gyulasun

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2022, 08:35:14 PM »

Well Russ is a member here  8)    https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/msg511643/#msg511643  Probably a heads up could be made towards him.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2022, 08:55:26 PM »


That is indeed Russ whose video you referred to but Zero Fossil Fuel is another person.  See the text from Russ under this video:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42un77XxTg0   

Russ runs the RWG Research Lab https://rwgresearch.com/   and his forum is this:  https://open-source-energy.org/   

Ok?
Oh crap, I confused myself. I had just been watching another video from zero fossil fuels just prior to that comment... lol.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2022, 02:05:09 AM »
I am still convinced there is helping action here drawing power with this configuration.

We can all agree current travels only  1 direction the whole pass if we do not cross the edge of the coil. Which means travel of magnet over the coil - the polarity of the coil stays the same the whole way. I can show this- also Russ shows this many many times.

Take A and B..  Same direction of travel and same polarity of coil.  If A isn't going to happen, Neither is B...  If A does happen- then B happens also.

Now take C and D.  Again, same direction of travel and here will will assume the opposite polarity coil..   Whatever happens to C will also happen to D.

Does anyone see what I am saying?  If there is Full Drag with C then there is No Drag with D.

It is my bet that A and B are both Incorrect.  And C and D are correct


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2022, 02:53:14 AM »
Even better yet- I can make either of these happen by flipping the coil..     I can get current to flow either direction I want the whole pass (going in the same direction of travel)..


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2022, 03:09:03 AM »
Looks like it's an actual bench test that will answer your question best. BTW, did you happen to remove the 2nd coil just to get a set of baseline numbers to compare to? You know, rpm, volts and amps. Then whatever you test, you have a much better idea of what the results mean overall.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2022, 03:25:18 AM »
Looks like it's an actual bench test that will answer your question best. BTW, did you happen to remove the 2nd coil just to get a set of baseline numbers to compare to? You know, rpm, volts and amps. Then whatever you test, you have a much better idea of what the results mean overall.

I was planning on doing the air coil test to get accurate results I can trust.  I got copper ordered...  But what I am seeing now-  ummmmmmmm.........

Reciprocate a magnet inside a coil..  Don't go past the edge of the coil...  You can switch lenz to either work for you or against you by flipping the coil direction.  And magnet inside the coil is awesome induction..

watch-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI0HDG6naO0

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2022, 04:03:39 AM »
I am in contact with Russ via email.  I am asking him if what I am seeing in that vid is what I think it is.  If he replies again- I will post his reply

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2022, 04:17:49 AM »
I dont think flipping the coil is only changing the Lenz law effect direction. All that does is simply flipping the polarity. You flip the induction as well as the back emf. Both. So you get the same result, it's just opposite polarity because the wire is running opposite direction.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2022, 05:15:55 AM »
I dont think flipping the coil is only changing the Lenz law effect direction. All that does is simply flipping the polarity. You flip the induction as well as the back emf. Both. So you get the same result, it's just opposite polarity because the wire is running opposite direction.

Makes sense-   If the front of the coil was south the other end was north already. (i overlooked that)      Flipping it did nothing.  Lol...  It the line stayed the same direction both sides, then that would have been promising

So either way- it was like the image below regardless which direction the coil was.  Which is still good for rotation i think.

I will do the air coil bench test soon enough

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2022, 05:53:17 AM »
I do see the use for the arc style coils of the zero force motor design.
As far as moving to air core coil. Good move, but don't completely ignore the steel core. There could be much to learn with experements there. Your speed increase is something to explore, even though it may not be more than you lost, it's still there and interesting.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2022, 01:13:19 PM »
I do see the use for the arc style coils of the zero force motor design.
As far as moving to air core coil. Good move, but don't completely ignore the steel core. There could be much to learn with experements there. Your speed increase is something to explore, even though it may not be more than you lost, it's still there and interesting.

Yes- the new coils I will make will have a hollow tube where I could place a steel rod it I like, so I can experiment all ways.  It will be tested for sure.  Few days till I have the setup to test all accurately. 

I did a simple test energizing the coil to see interaction with the different motion to form a hypothesis. And I am seeing what my picture showed.  Traveling down the side in a straight line - the coil should do everything it can to restrict my motion in the stroke.  But coming in from an angular motion via rotation seems to change he dynamics. That restricting motion caused by a vertical pass reacts opposite on the magnet if it's coming in on an angular trajectory.

And verifying that current direction is the same in both orientations has been done by Russ and myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hg7_Lotf5U

I will test this hypothesis

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2022, 08:32:49 AM »
Something with your last video seems odd. I get what you are questioning about lenz. That isn't what I'm a little confused about. What I am confused about it that you are showing that with the power turned on to the coil the entire time, it is pulling the magnet inward on the approach, and at the middle point it begins to push the magnets outward. You are saying you are getting an aid in rotation on the way in as well as on the way out with the coil turned on the entire time? So you are saying if the rotor had all N facing magnets it would continue to rotate without ever turning off the coil? That doesn't make sense. Maybe I am hearing you wrong? I'm just trying to understand what you are saying the setup you have there is doing, not thinking about the lenz side of things yet.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2022, 12:34:55 PM »
Something with your last video seems odd. I get what you are questioning about lenz. That isn't what I'm a little confused about. What I am confused about it that you are showing that with the power turned on to the coil the entire time, it is pulling the magnet inward on the approach, and at the middle point it begins to push the magnets outward. You are saying you are getting an aid in rotation on the way in as well as on the way out with the coil turned on the entire time? So you are saying if the rotor had all N facing magnets it would continue to rotate without ever turning off the coil? That doesn't make sense. Maybe I am hearing you wrong? I'm just trying to understand what you are saying the setup you have there is doing, not thinking about the lenz side of things yet.

With the coil powered, there are definitely sticky spots.  We both know it won't rotate by itself. If it was a different style rotor- it would suck toward the top of the coil from the attraction then stay there.  If we gave it momentum to get past the sticky point- the repelling fields would give it a kick on the way out.  But there is definitely a gate to pass. Sort of like caloways old V-Gate.  And we know the V-gate doesn't run by itself either.

But the V-gate uses a permanent magnet as a stator with a constant field, where I would use coil inductance. The differences is a coil can be switched on/ off and has varying flux levels depending on the magnet speed / proximity.  And we also know the V-gate would self run IF we were able to turn the stator permanent magnet on and off at exact moments (without using power).

With my current design- I can not build enough induction using an air coil to get any attraction on the way in or repulsion on the way out yet because the magnet is not close enough and I do not have the proper copper to make a coil without raping my iron core one- which I want to keep. 

My copper wire should be delivered today- and I am going to redesign the rotor so I can pass the coil with more area coverage on the way in and out.  And I am going to hit the coil from both sides with 2 rotors. 

All this leaves 1 last question-  I wasn't switching the coil- so if this effect was making mine speed up- how could it when the V-gate doesn't do that?  My guess is, the side of the coil is not equal in magnetism the whole way.  The top and bottom of the coil would have the highest degree of force and the middle should be neutral. So if my rotor magnet was perfectly aligned with the coil (dead center) I should have equal pull in as push out.  But what if it wasn't aligned exactly right?  What if my coil was positioned a little up or down to make the repelling out side closer to the pole than the attraction coming in?  Is this why I could only make it happen in 1 direction and not the other?

To sum up my answer to your question-  If I was controlling the power input to the coil at the right timing and positioned the coil in the right way to give 1 side more than the other when I cranked it up- yes I think I can get it to keep going.  But not with a static field centered. When using the magnets to create induction, it may make this possible because the field is changing with respect to the magnet position and I can tilt and move the coil to different positions.

All this is just my current throey. There may be nothing here, or maybe there is.  but All my data is saying something cool is happening..  This is the closest I been to any effects I seek, so I definitely need to experiment with different designs , positions, switching, and all that to get that coil full of induction with the magnets then see if I can use it to help me.

Edit- 1 last thought.  In my other thread, a link was posted evaluating efficiency when positioning small coils this way . The efficiency was measured up to 53% if I recall.  And every one that I saw were passing the edges of the coils..  Passing the edges slows you down on the way in and out.  Now take that data-  eliminate the resistance passing the edges- and possible even switch out the sticky point.  That's the direction that needs to be explored IMO


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2022, 01:04:08 PM »
The differences is a coil can be switched on/ off and has varying flux levels depending on the magnet speed / proximity.

If you do not use power supplies, then yes. Just short the coil with contacts.

And we also know the V-gate would self run IF we were able to turn the stator permanent magnet on and off at exact moments (without using power).
I'm afraid it is. A lot of time has been spent on these devices.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2022, 01:17:26 PM »
I'm afraid it is. A lot of time has been spent on these devices.

Plenty of videos using power to neutralize the PM at the gate and it will run.  Just not without using power or outside force.