Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build (Read 20392 times)

gyulasun · « **Reply #45 on:** April 30, 2022, 11:51:35 PM »

Quote from: floodrod on April 30, 2022, 08:12:12 PM

Tell me more about this core saturation.

1. If the core was saturated, would the coil still produce voltage?
2. How could regular lenz reduce core saturation?
3. I would think that for core saturation to go reverse, the Lenz has to be reversed?

Please clear me up here. All new for me

1: Yes, it would but the amplitude of the induced voltage would be much less due to the fact that a saturated core loses it permeability down towards that of the air i.e. even as low as to 1. Putting this otherwise, the earlier coil inductance with the unsaturated core goes down as if it had no core or it would have suddenly a core with much less permeability.

2: In your test setup in question the prime mover (a changing magnetic field) rotates the magnets and the magnets induce eddy currents in the core of the 2nd coil and the fields of these eddy currents hamper the rotation of the magnets, this reflects in the prime mover input power. (So it is a good suggestion to remove the 2nd coil+core and see the input to the prime mover.)
Now what happens if you load the 2nd coil and the coil current creates its own magnetic field? IMHO the latter influences the intensity of the eddy currents: the directions of the two magnetic fields meeting in the core have an effect that let less eddy current induction happen, hence the core loss gets reduced too. Sorry that I cannot give an exact scientific explanation, perhaps other members here can. Such manifestation happens in the so called acceleration under load tests, experienced by several experimenters. IF your 2nd core (or the whole 2nd coil+core) is removed from the front of the rotating magnets, check the input current too and compare it to that of the presence of the unloaded 2nd coil + core (what you know already).

3: Well, I would think not. In your 2nd coil when you load it, a normal Lenz effect happens when the rotating magnets induce voltage hence current in them. And Lenz is to blame for creating eddy currents too (because the core is electrically conductive!) hence a drag to be explored when there is no load across the 2nd coil.

EDIT see this link, may be useful: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-Lenz-s-law-and-eddy-current

Floor · « **Reply #46 on:** May 01, 2022, 12:30:25 AM »

As an aside, sort of ...

Newton and Lenz
may not need to be over come.
They likely, will be a part of why an O.U device functions.

Personally, I think it a good idea to understand Newton's observations /" laws ",
front ward and back ward, inside and inside out.
Not just memorize them, nor the given standard examples of their expression,
but instead, fully comprehend what Newton observed.
... ... ... ...
That
Newtons observations can be / have been used to construe physic's laws of
conservation is quite obvious.
That
they are, now days, so written as to, at least imply those laws of conservation
is also quite obvious.
... ... ... ... ...
Personally
I do not find physic's laws of conservation to be the natural consequence of Newtons
observations. Neither do I find them to be some thing which is inherently with in
nor which is the essence of Newton's observations.
... ... ... ...
To allow ones self to be convinced
that
the defiance of Newton's" laws" or Lenz's law
is the path to free energy
is to have fallen for / be defeated by a kind of
straw man debating tactic.

Example

Perpetual motion is impossible !
Really ?

For one, why would anyone think that an O.U. device must be in perpetual motion ?
Only in knee jerk defiance, that's why !

Beside that,
mankind knows of no thing which is not already, in perpetual motion !
... ... ... ...
Defeat Newton's "laws" through permanent magnet interactions ?
No!
Defeat the idea that Newton's "laws" mean that magnets can not do work cyclically !
... ... ... ...
NEXT...
Defeat the idea that Lenz's "law" must be over come in order to derive O.U. from
the fields !

captainpecan · « **Reply #47 on:** May 01, 2022, 03:30:56 AM »

Well, claiming perpetual motion is just for those who don't have a clue what we seek. We simply seek a way to hook our machines to the wheel work of nature like Tesla said.
After all, if they didn't understand what wind was, a windmill would be perpetual motion as well. We never said there wasn't a source of energy for what we seek.

Floor · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2022, 05:05:48 AM »

Quote from: captainpecan on May 01, 2022, 03:30:56 AM

Well, claiming perpetual motion is just for those who don't have a clue what we seek. We simply seek a way to hook our machines to the wheel work of nature like Tesla said.
After all, if they didn't understand what wind was, a windmill would be perpetual motion as well. We never said there wasn't a source of energy for what we seek.

Well said.

"Well, claiming perpetual motion is just for those who don't have a clue what we seek."

Indeed / hence / one reason for my own / others use of the term "Over Unity".
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
"We simply seek a way to hook our machines to the wheel work of nature like Tesla said."
True that..
But every thing
is already "hooked to the wheel work of nature"
regardless of what Tesla has said.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
There are various definitions / classifications / ideas as to what constitutes a field.
Generally, our current vocabulary distinguishes regular / real world objects as not being fields.
however
Things are fields.
Fields with particular characteristics.
One of which is long duration in time, as (more or less) a pattern.
Every known thing / object is a field.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
"After all, if they didn't understand what wind was,
a windmill would be perpetual motion as well."

Given that perpetual motion means that it never stops moving (more or less or practically speaking). Then no, they / people did not think it was perpetual motion and that is not and
was not the meaning of the phrase "perpetual motion".
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Energy is a concept, an abstraction, something which is inferred
and which we mathematically derive.
It cannot be measured.
Only the changes it has caused (past tense) can be observed or measured.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

That having been said...

I think that Lenz's law should be studied / experimented with
and every imaginable method by which to "defeat it" explored.

More importantly, every detail of it should be understood in terms
of the most absolutely basic and clear ways available to the individual
who is exploring / doing O.U. research
related to it.

captainpecan · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2022, 08:18:38 AM »

I am thinking the same way. I believe Lenz will be part of the solution, but probably not trying to get rid of it. I believe it will be finding a way to benefit from it. After all, that is a variable that shows up from an outside source in what people think is a closed system. We may not like it right now, but it's predictable, and repeatable, to give us the opportunity to learn how to make it work for us. I think it will have something to do with that, as well as recycling energy we used to create the effect in some ways.

floodrod · « **Reply #50 on:** May 01, 2022, 12:16:21 PM »

Quote from: captainpecan on May 01, 2022, 08:18:38 AM

I am thinking the same way. I believe Lenz will be part of the solution, but probably not trying to get rid of it. I believe it will be finding a way to benefit from it. After all, that is a variable that shows up from an outside source in what people think is a closed system. We may not like it right now, but it's predictable, and repeatable, to give us the opportunity to learn how to make it work for us. I think it will have something to do with that, as well as recycling energy we used to create the effect in some ways.

I am not trying to "get rid of lenz".. I am trying to find a configuration where Lenz does not hinder the rotor. Or better yet- assists.

Magnets going over coils invoke induction. Without this, there is no electric generated. I am looking to eliminate "LENZ DRAG" -- Not the eliminate the whole Lenz effect.

floodrod · « **Reply #51 on:** May 01, 2022, 01:29:15 PM »

This is what I am getting at.
And if you don't pass the edge of the coil- it's all one way. No flip on the way out

Floor · « **Reply #52 on:** May 01, 2022, 02:12:48 PM »

Quote from: floodrod on May 01, 2022, 12:16:21 PM

I am not trying to "get rid of lenz".. I am trying to find a configuration where Lenz does not hinder the rotor. Or better yet- assists.

Magnets going over coils invoke induction. Without this, there is no electric generated. I am looking to eliminate "LENZ DRAG" -- Not the eliminate the whole Lenz effect.

Again..
Keep on rocken it, to the both of you.

floodrod · « **Reply #53 on:** May 01, 2022, 03:32:16 PM »

Okay I had it a little backwards. No need for a collection coil at all. Just a driver which acts as both.

Pulsing the coil will set direction of flux in coil. You have the ability to cause the rotor to rotate clockwise or counterclockwise depending on when you pulse. The magnet tries to align with the coil polarity, causing the rotor to spin. Nothing new here.

Since this coil configuration causes only one way current with no flips, you can work against your input current or with your input current depending on which way you spin the rotor.

Essentially, you use input current to spin the rotor in the correct direction that the spinning magnets are adding to the induction instead of fighting it. It is possible to build more induction in the coil from the magnet spinning than induction required to spin the magnet.

floodrod · « **Reply #54 on:** May 01, 2022, 03:52:46 PM »

And I think magnet inside the coil, is even better. Same philosophy. Pulsing the coil spins the magnet very easy because of optimal flux alignment. And spin the right way, it will work in the same direction as the input current making it possible to get more out from the induction created from the spinning magnet then needed to put in to spin the magnet.

Edit. I am not 100% sure of this yet. Maybe wrong maybe right

captainpecan · « **Reply #55 on:** May 01, 2022, 05:39:10 PM »

Quote from: floodrod on May 01, 2022, 03:32:16 PM

Okay I had it a little backwards. No need for a collection coil at all. Just a driver which acts as both.

Pulsing the coil will set direction of flux in coil. You have the ability to cause the rotor to rotate clockwise or counterclockwise depending on when you pulse. The magnet tries to align with the coil polarity, causing the rotor to spin. Nothing new here.

Since this coil configuration causes only one way current with no flips, you can work against your input current or with your input current depending on which way you spin the rotor.

Essentially, you use input current to spin the rotor in the correct direction that the spinning magnets are adding to the induction instead of fighting it. It is possible to build more induction in the coil from the magnet spinning than induction required to spin the magnet.

Now I think you are grasping what he was referring to in that video better now.

Quote

And I think magnet inside the coil, is even better. Same philosophy. Pulsing the coil spins the magnet very easy because of optimal flux alignment.

You basically described the joseph newman motor. Not sure the exact pulse time alignment as that, but same build. There are a ton of people who have made that design you can look at on YouTube to see its operation and learn from others work. But the timing of their pulse may make the difference. As with this concept, I think you are maybe hunting a pulse that both gives the push and the pull at the same time, but also attempting to have Lenz do the same, all in the same direction. It seems the pulses would be sent more out of alignment to attempt taking advantage of the spin. Almost like maybe pulsing out of conventional alignment. Not sure where the pulse is best for that one.

floodrod · « **Reply #56 on:** May 01, 2022, 06:11:47 PM »

Yeah. He certainly was going after Newman's theories..

I just need to stumble around in a dark until I understand it. But once I find the light, I well know all the ins and outs of it and can build it.

No video or textbook could have made it so clear in my head as actually making all the mistakes to get there along the way.

I will be looking at the videos now of other builds. I am still contemplating about magnet inside the coil, I cannot get it to work on paper. But I know one of his designs had the magnet in the middle

captainpecan · « **Reply #57 on:** May 01, 2022, 06:37:59 PM »

Yeah, one thing to keep in mind as well. He is sharing info he has learned from his bench work. That does not mean he figured it all out yet either. But, he certainly has a better understanding of the underlying physics than we do yet. That video is also 4 years old. That is Russ from Zero Fossil Fuels and he has been around forever in this industry. He has a very good understanding of the nature involved in what we do. Learning from his successes and failures is a very good step. That series he put out has a ton of good info in there.

gyulasun · « **Reply #58 on:** May 01, 2022, 08:16:55 PM »

Quote from: captainpecan on May 01, 2022, 06:37:59 PM

Yeah, one thing to keep in mind as well. He is sharing info he has learned from his bench work. That does not mean he figured it all out yet either. But, he certainly has a better understanding of the underlying physics than we do yet. That video is also 4 years old.
That is Russ from Zero Fossil Fuels and he has been around forever in this industry. He has a very good understanding of the nature involved in what we do. Learning from his successes and failures is a very good step. That series he put out has a ton of good info in there.

That is indeed Russ whose video you referred to but Zero Fossil Fuel is another person. See the text from Russ under this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42un77XxTg0

Russ runs the RWG Research Lab https://rwgresearch.com/ and his forum is this: https://open-source-energy.org/

Ok?

ramset · « **Reply #59 on:** May 01, 2022, 08:29:08 PM »

Sorry to interrupt
However Russ would probably be available for input here ( can be contacted if necessary?)
He is also steadfast open source fellow!
Respectfully
Chet
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