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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 8751 times)

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2022, 02:38:39 AM »
Would love for that to be the case. There's only 1 way to find out. And it's learning either way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage. We need more experimenters.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2022, 03:07:13 AM »
.....  You were right- magnet in coil is no good. 
« Last Edit: April 30, 2022, 05:28:38 AM by floodrod »

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2022, 02:14:06 PM »
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Edit- Captain is right. Magnet i coil= great induction but lens at full force.
Everyone wants to have a useful EMF, but to cancel Lenz.
Is it possible to do the opposite, so that there is no useful EMF, but Lenz's countercurrent remains?
Just thinking out loud... ;)

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2022, 04:58:06 PM »
Everyone wants to have a useful EMF, but to cancel Lenz.
Is it possible to do the opposite, so that there is no useful EMF, but Lenz's countercurrent remains?
Just thinking out loud... ;)

Sounds like a shorted turn or loop of superconductor and reason it will levitate in a magnetic field, doesn't it?
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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2022, 05:28:18 PM »
Ok I think I got the configuration that may be reversing LENZ to work for me...

I can make input wattage go DOWN and RPM go UP by connecting a load.

Took forever to get the coils in the right direction, the rotor spin right, etc. Get them all in correct position with coils passing over magnets so the rotor magnets never go past the coils edge and we can get lenz to work for us.

I also think the drive coil can work for us..  I think the direction of rotation can also be positioned to get the drive coil to produce while it's pushing the magnet.

PLEASE Evaluate -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cluO1_0pG0g


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2022, 06:07:48 PM »
Sounds like a shorted turn or loop of superconductor and reason it will levitate in a magnetic field, doesn't it?
I do not know yet.
Just trying to think outside the box.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2022, 06:17:08 PM »
Now you are getting somewhere. That's the effect we are looking for. Now, keep from drifting your thoughts to much into the wrong direction. Let's think it through and see if it can be debunked or not. Then move forward knowing you haven't missed something.


Just throwing this out there to test to try and understand exactly what is happening. We have to follow certain methods to not get drawn down a rabbit hole of misinformation on accident. Now let's think, we know we see the effect we want. Now let's narrow down a possible cause that could be fooling us. It is possible that before shorting, the magnets are drawn to the core more and slowing down the rotor. During a short, the core becomes more saturated by the induced magnetic field from Lenz law. This saturation can make the integration with the rotor less because it cannot draw to the core as much. Therefore causing what appears to be a speed up of the rotor, but in actuality is just giving you back some of what you accidentally lost already. This is the principle the orbo motor was designed on. They pulse the core to saturate it so it becomes invisible to the rotor through saturation. It's a fun design you might study someday. It's another backwards thinking concept. What you could be seeing is not actually an increase in rotor speed. It could be getting back what you accidentally wasted by having that coil core there interacting with the rotor at all. A simple test of this theory is remove 2nd coil all together and see if the rpms go up on there own. Does that make sense?


This isn't me being negative. Just trying to know for sure what we are seeing.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2022, 06:29:04 PM »
Now, if it is just a side effect of a saturated core and kind of an illusion of helping us. Then maybe we can use that too somehow? Even this doesn't explain it this time, it's another thing to consider for making that core less visible to the rotor in some later configuration. My mind is living through your experiments this weekend. I am out of town on a long drive away from my own bench until Tuesday, so I will be checking in to see what you learn this weekend. I'm stuck without my toys to play with... lol.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2022, 06:30:50 PM »
Now you are getting somewhere. That's the effect we are looking for. Now, keep from drifting your thoughts to much into the wrong direction. Let's think it through and see if it can be debunked or not. Then move forward knowing you haven't missed something.


Just throwing this out there to test to try and understand exactly what is happening. We have to follow certain methods to not get drawn down a rabbit hole of misinformation on accident. Now let's think, we know we see the effect we want. Now let's narrow down a possible cause that could be fooling us. It is possible that before shorting, the magnets are drawn to the core more and slowing down the rotor. During a short, the core becomes more saturated by the induced magnetic field from Lenz law. This saturation can make the integration with the rotor less because it cannot draw to the core as much. Therefore causing what appears to be a speed up of the rotor, but in actuality is just giving you back some of what you accidentally lost already. This is the principle the orbo motor was designed on. They pulse the core to saturate it so it becomes invisible to the rotor through saturation. It's a fun design you might study someday. It's another backwards thinking concept. What you could be seeing is not actually an increase in rotor speed. It could be getting back what you accidentally wasted by having that coil core there interacting with the rotor at all. A simple test of this theory is remove 2nd coil all together and see if the rpms go up on there own. Does that make sense?


This isn't me being negative. Just trying to know for sure what we are seeing.

I ran the output from the 2nd coul back to the input.  Connected Feeding into Input- RPM increase, and Input wattage decrease.   Opening the coil- RPM go down and Input goes up. 

See-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYvAPd9xqKI

If my theory is correct I can only get this to work spinning the rotor in 1 direction.  If I spin it the other direction- Lenz will work against me the whole time.  It should be very apparent.

I don't mind doing your test- but please explain more.  I would expect RPM to go up moving metal away from the rotor.  Metal creates eddy currents which slow me down.  Move it away and rotor will speed up.  I don't quite see how this test can be accurate




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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2022, 06:40:04 PM »
It's just a theory.. a possible debunk to get out of the way... let's ignore all the wire on the 2nd coil for a second. Just having that metal core there, will react with the rotor and slow it down. Now, you have that core wrapped with wire and shorted. Lenz creates a magnetic field that is saturating that core. The more the core is saturated, the less the magnets on the rotor are drawn to the core, the faster the rotor can turn with less drag on it. I'm suggesting, take the entire 2nd coil out at check your power draw and rpm without the 2nd coil in there at all...


If, it makes no change, then you are onto something. If it then speeds up your motor and current draw goes down with no 2nd coil, then what you are seeing is the effect of your rotor reacting to the core slowing it down. And then you are partially making the core invisible getting some of what you lost back instead of getting a gain overall. You see, a fully saturated core, a magnet passes right by because the flux does not interact with it. This could be what you are seeing that is speeding it up. We just need to know that the speed up is actually speeding up, or is it because you inadvertently slowed it down to start and are now getting some back.


It's just a possible debunk so we can understand what is really happening. It may not be Lenz speeding it up. It could be Lenz saturating the core and giving you back some of what the core took already.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2022, 06:44:17 PM »
There as a VERY Apparent difference in which direction the rotor spins.  No matter how much I adjust the timing, I can not get the other rotation direction to get anywhere close to this way.  Unless I reverse the coil direction.

If the coils go past the rotor, Lenz can work for you.  Please take the time to listen to the video you referred me to.  About the 36-40 minute timing he explains all this..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6H3RymQC7g&t=2550s

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2022, 06:50:35 PM »
I've watched it quite a few times. It needs more bench work for sure. But don't forget, that video is a very advanced part of his whole concept. There is a lot more he teaches on all his other videos to get you to that point. I don't pretend to understand it all myself. But what I do see is a possibility of what you are seeing I ran into long ago when playing with core saturation. That's why I am just saying it's a possibility. It's just very similar to what I've seen on the bench and it wasn't what I thought I was seeing then. Just making sure that this isn't what you are seeing now as well. His concept looks great. Not discounting it. Just making sire that's what's going on in this replication of it.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2022, 06:56:39 PM »
I watched it again. Don't forget, he is using an air core coil. The core is not a variable in his explanation. Your core is drawing the magnet towards it. His isn't. That changes everything. Doesn't change the concept, just changes the variables you have to consider while testing the concept. His theory is still there.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2022, 06:59:00 PM »
Gotcha.  I don't mind testing of course.  But I think  it has to be more fair and decisive.  The core does slow it down obviously..  Just because the core slows it more than the induction is helping is not proof the induction is not helping.

What would solve this is if I can build enough induction with no core and reproduce the effects.  I will see if I can do it

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2022, 07:02:36 PM »
Gotcha.  I don't mind testing of course.  But I think  it has to be more fair and decisive.  The core does slow it down obviously..  Just because the core slows it more than the induction is helping is not proof the induction is not helping.

What would solve this is if I can build enough induction with no core and reproduce the effects.  I will see if I can do it
Exactly!!! That's what I am getting at. I could be wrong, but I think your core is throwing in a variable that is skewing all your results. I think Lenz is simply starting to hide your core from the rotor giving you the effect you are seeing. Not that it is bad, just that we need to understand what is actually happening to learn from it and maybe use it too. But this way, you have to overcome all the other losses of having the core at all, before you can begin to see if the induction is helping. I think the concept is sound. It's just how to go about it.


Edit... also, the fact that you are getting back any of the losses the core adds, is a move in the right direction.